For ALL KCBS Members

Sending out an eMail asking for support from those with whom you've had contact is one thing. Collecting a list of eMail addresses for people that you don't know from a third party with the sole intent of sending them unsolicited eMail is very much the definition of SPAM, whether any one wants to admit it or not. Some one who obtains a list of eMail addresses for the purpose communicating leading up to an event who then takes that list and gives or sells it to a third party for uses not directly related to their intended purpose....I dunno if I would call that "unethical," but it is disrespectful and rude at the very least.

dmp
 
It is the definition of spam. For the record, I received a similar email from one of the other candidates. The only way that person could have got my email is because I was a judge for the contest they organize every year. I provided my information for purposes of exchanging information about the contest...not to receive unsolicited spam messages. I too forwarded the email to KCBS, but haven't heard anything back yet. It absolutely is an unethical practice.
 
not spam if you are a bbq'r. hit delete and enjoy the rest of your day. I didn't vote for him, but...
 
It isnt that hard to compile a list on your own... heck just a quick facebook search will net you a list of folks that you can many times find a email address for, right in their info. Heck if you have smart phone, you can load it as a contact inthe facebook app....

Export, table, import, and viola! Your email list. Yes, you would hope that folks don't sell your email, but just about any site you visit that collects it can share it - it's scary really.

Anyway, definately dont agree with the spamming, but I also got emails from others... I know they could have gotten it from my website, facebook, any number of places... so I wouldnt make the jump that KCBS gave them anything.
 
Come on guys, seriously? If you're a KCBS member and are eligible to vote (which pretty much just takes being a paid member), how can you consider it spam? The only inconvenience is an extra click on the delete button. Reading is not required. The emails I collected were from mostly emails sent that I was included on and the sender did not use the BCC function (which I almost always do when sending out an email to large groups and did in the 2009 campaign). These came mostly from organizers contacting teams. Many of my 800 or so had never met me. I NEVER EVER hear any of you complaining when you get an email from an organizer asking you to attend their event yet when it comes to someone wanting to serve membership for three years on the board, it somehow raises all kinds of hackles. What about those postcards and letters from contests you've never cooked that appear in your postal mail box? No complaints voiced there either.
 
Jeff_in_KC said:
Come on guys, seriously?
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Seriously. Some people respect the privacy of others and expect the same in return. Obviously, you either don't consider an eMail address to be private or don't care about others' privacy. In either case, you are not in agreement with some population of the world in general and members of this forum in particular. I don't think any of us need to justify our privacy expectations to you, but I would expect you to respect them. Marketing is marketing, and campaigning is a form of marketing. If you seriously think it's okay to give out others' eMail addresses, share yours here, and I'll be sure to tell every viagra, penis enargement, and fake Rolex salesman I find that you might be interested. Afterall, you likely have a penis and a wrist, so you could use any of them, right?

dmp
 
dmprantz said:
Seriously. Some people respect the privacy of others and expect the same in return. Obviously, you either don't consider an eMail address to be private or don't care about others' privacy. In either case, you are not in agreement with some population of the world in general and members of this forum in particular. I don't think any of us need to justify our privacy expectations to you, but I would expect you to respect them. Marketing is marketing, and campaigning is a form of marketing. If you seriously think it's okay to give out others' eMail addresses, share yours here, and I'll be sure to tell every viagra, penis enargement, and fake Rolex salesman I find that you might be interested. Afterall, you likely have a penis and a wrist, so you could use any of them, right?

dmp
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Yeah, I respect your privacy so I wouldn't give your email to anyone else. And if I send you an email and you don't want it, I'd take your name off the list. That's how it works.
 
Jeff_in_KC said:
Yeah, I respect your privacy so I wouldn't give your email to anyone else.
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Then I think we are largely in agreement. What I said above is that to use an existing communications channel is one thing, but to receive a contact list from a third party is disrespectful. I think one of the big complaints here is that people who have never had dealing with an individual are now getting eMails from that person. He has also admitted that he acquired eMail addresses from others for marketing purposes. That's SPAM and not appreciated by many.

dmp
 
o.k. let me try this. around 10 yrs ago my golf 4some got busted up and I needed to find another group. long about that time I happened to get a monthly email blast from the golf course about the current events, etc. included in the email was all the other email addresses they had sent it to, so I copied and pasted each name to an email that I sent out hoping someone would let me in their group. should I apologize, or did anyone send back and chew me out for it. No on both counts and I did get a couple of responses and eventually got with one of them.
 
For the record, the CAN-SPAM act makes it a federal crime to send out bulk, unsolicited eMail. An exception exists when there is a prior relationship between the sender and recipient, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

dmp
 
Honestly, I think you could make a case for a prior relationship in that Gene is a director on a board that represents the membership of KCBS. If you are a KCBS member, he's representing you I imagine it would be difficult to say in a court of law that there was no relationship.
 
Except that he didn't acquire the eMail addresses through that relationship, and that's where the exception comes from. Honestly, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't intend to call the FTC over this, but I think he's in the wrong when it comes to spamming practices. It's really quite simple: Don't share, accept, nor use some one else's eMail address for marketing purposes unless that person gave you the eMail address. Even then, be careful if he didn't invite marketing information from you when he did.

dmp
 
it'd sure be a shame for someone to go to jail or face a fine when all the other person had to do was "delete". in fact mark it as spam when deleting and no more emails will go in your inbox.
 
Just beause "you" don't mind when some one disrespects your privacy and breaks the law doesn't mean that no one else should. Sure I could just waste my time on some one else's disrespect, or I could hope that person learns and stops doing it. Why should I put up with some one else who is in the wrong just because "you" say it's okay?

dmp

The "you" was a general case. Not trying to single out any one in particular.
 
I will post this here one time, I didn't try to get an advantage over any other candidate, I used contacts from my database in my own computer, (this means I have received an e-mail from them first) and from an organizer that I rep most of their contests, almost everyone who was contacted I have met with or coresponded with through e-mail.... there will be a few I am unsure about, most of the people who have stated that I did something underhanded to, i have an e-mail or personal knowledge of corespondence with, or have met them, I didn't go out and buy e-mail lists or get them from KCBS or look all over the internet for, i sent 2600 e-mails to those who either new me or as I said before had an in common e-mail or meeting of or with.....I hope that this clears it all up to everyone's satisfaction... I even sent many to people not involved in BBQ as most of this was sent from my regular contact list in Outlook.

I do have to say, I have a lot of respect for the others candidates running who could have slammed me on this, they were very professional and fair

Sorry if it has offended anyone....
 
As a CIO of a college, I deal with spam issues frequently. We easily block 65% of our mail traffic as spam. But I am just curious - of those of you who were upset with receiving the email (I received it, too), how many would have been upset had that same message been delivered by snail mail?
 
kihrer said:
of those of you who were upset with receiving the email (I received it, too), how many would have been upset had that same message been delivered by snail mail?
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I did not receive this eMail, but I dislike all forms of junk mail, especially compaign junk-mail. I'm even one of those jerks who takes every piece of junk mail he gets with a "receiver pays shipping" return envelope and I send it back to them as heavy and bulky as I can make it. Usually I just rip up and return to them what they sent me.

As much as I hate junk mail though, I hate spam even more. I've tried to rationalize it myself, and the best reason I've come up with is that at least when something is sent via snail-mail, the sender has to pay for it. Sending junk in eMail wastes my time and is free.

You asked....

dmp
 
I just looked at the KCBS privacy policy. Here are two key statements:

We may also provide your personally identifiable information and/or reports to authorized and officially recognized sponsors of KCBS for their use in connection with membership benefits or independent marketing efforts. These third-parties may send you email relating to their products and/or services. If you do not want to receive information from such sponsors, you will be given an opportunity to opt out of the program.

And;

Although we take appropriate measures to safeguard against unauthorized disclosures of information, we cannot assure you that personally identifiable information that is collected will never be disclosed in a manner that is inconsistent with this Privacy Policy.

My guess is that most officially recognized sponsors have all of our email addresses. I have no way of knowing if KCBS has checked to see what their privacy policy is prior to sending out our emails (if they actually do this).
 
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