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Old 06-24-2009, 07:48 PM   #47
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Issue One

Originally Posted by Mark View Post
The urban legend site had some decent links. You didn't reseach them?
Apparently you did not read them yourself... read them closely and Mark you will realize that was the reason I gleefully thought the purpose of the link/links was to shed light on public IGNORANCE of the issue.

My favorite parts of your Link

"Studies - including the one initiated by high school student Claire Nelson (mentioned in one of the email texts above) — have shown that DEHA, when present, can migrate into food at high temperatures."

Okay so High school student says it can leech... let est. that as fact for a moment.

"Though it is not contained in Saran Wrap, it has been, and may still be, an ingredient in some other brands of plastic wrap."

By the way... its not in commercial grade film either. The films are made by most of the same companies.

"The current scientific consensus is that it is not, at least not in the minute amounts resulting from migration from plastics into foods."

"Even though DEHA has long been regarded as a possible human carcinogen, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency removed it from its list of toxic chemicals in the late 1990s after concluding, based on a review of the scientific evidence, that "it cannot reasonably be anticipated to cause cancer, teratogenic effects, immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity, gene mutations, liver, kidney, reproductive or developmental toxicity or other serious or irreversible chronic health effects."

Lets review... so far we have a study by a high school student that concludes that DEHA may leach into our food but its NOT in the plastic film we are talking about AND is probably not harmful.

Your LINKS Inside the link go on to show that studies from the U of Cincinnati (not a high school kid) show that BPA is also not in their product.

Here is my favorite one about the email which started this silliness (claim that fat and heat leached dioxins out of the plastic film.

"This e-mail claimed that the combination of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body, thereby increasing the risk of producing cancerous cells. SC Johnson has researched these claims and it is clear that the information is not only misleading, but also unnecessarily alarms consumers.

When used in the microwave, there is no trace level migration of dioxins from any Saran
™ or Ziploc® product. We know this because these products are 100% dioxin-free."

So once again... no dioxins in the actual product... which is the same argument stated above in regards to the study by the high school chick.

This MYTH is spread much in the same way it had been introduced by you in this forum.

You linked it to us... a link you claim is about leaching dioxins into food... you use that as you premise that it is dumb BUT... failed to read it thoroughly enough to tell that for the most part it says the opposite.

Perhaps only this quote from the FDA, in a document written quite some time ago give a shred of question to the issue.

"Microwave plastic wraps, wax paper, cooking bags, parchment paper, and white microwave-safe paper towels should be safe to use. Do not let plastic wrap touch foods during microwaving."

I am not asking anyone to agree with me... but if you're going to spread conjecture... please read your own links for evidence to support it.

Even that you don't really have to do...

Issue Two

Your claim that I issue Ultimatums.

Once again I respectfully disagree based on definition.

One of the reasons why I mentioned "mopping" in this thread as an example of things people disagree about is that precise reason. In the Mopping thread the posters pretty much handled all the reasons why not to... I used something called "humor."

You will note at times I will be arbitrary but not without poking fun or parodying my own flexibility elsewhere. In Other posts I claim to to flexible in one matter but poke fun at my inflexibility in other areas.

Now, let's take that thread for example. I believe I was making a humorous statement both there and later in the thread where I said another way would be to essentially enter into your pit to mop so as to keep cold air from going in. I assumed everyone would see the humor (not necessarily think its funny) but at least see it was an attempt to make a silly. But hey, here is a place where I got someone all in a tizzy because I thought a specific group of BBQers should be frozen in liquid nitrogen. Here is the place someone took that seriously long ago.

No... what I mean is... hey, if its stupid or dumb to you, instead of linking it to an abstract document just tell us. I think its stupid and every bbq restaurateur from Allen Texas to Maine that has been using this for the last 30 or so years is stupid because.... ???????????????????????

Not a problem with the opinion... but I wanna know what the problem with using the film to reheat or finish cooking or holding is NOT... what the problem with SMOKING meat in plastic (which was not the claim) or using shrink vac plastic (which is not the same thing or being implied here).

Making Ultimatums---actually I did not make one in that sentence.

Ultimatum means a demand (backed up by a threat). Possibly, you could make a case that perhaps my exclamation point in the sentence you cut and pasted here expresses a threat of some kind due to it abruptness... but that would be a weak assumption.

Finally... and ultimatum would be...

"stop mopping now!!!!!! or I will dose violators in liquid nitrogen."

Truth be told neither you nor I offered an ultimatum here or in the post about mopping.

You made a claim... that was using plastic film to SMOKE meat is dumb.... there was no threat. So thus.... no ultimatum.

Good thread though and thanks for the opinions.

So much for ignoring my taunts huh? LOL
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