Guys, thank you for all the input, I am doing all versions, making sausage, grillin the ribs, and doin the tenderloin after marinating and grillin direct quickly and rare! tHANKS GUYS WHEN i GET TO YOUR LEVEL I WILL POST PRON! IM SORTA SHY! i have been lurking on the site for a while now and have tried a whole lot of the sauces rubs and marinades. You gentlemen are true craftsman.