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Unread 02-02-2010, 09:04 AM   #59
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Originally Posted by Scottie View Post
I have finished in the top 5 in categories and overall without using garnish. It froze in my frig and none of it was any good. I got creative and filled the box. So it can be done.

Just some quick thoughts. Jeff well stated. I believe big time in traditions and/or history. It is what these foundations of great things are built. To change them, just because the vocal minority wants to, is ridiculous.


I would also bet that the majority of the vocal minority are inexperienced cooks, who have competed less than a handful of times. It's funny, I never hear people beotch about garnished boxes at comps. Went to one last year in Massachusetts, no one complained about not being able to use parsley. Everyone just went on with their business and did it with lettuce. It's what has made and separated KCBS from other sanctioning bodies. When you are at the top, folks take shots.

I hate to say it folks. If you don't like it, I'd suggest finding a new sanctioining body. It's been nice knowing you. Hope to see you soon. As long as KCBS is king, expect greens.
> To change them, just because the vocal minority wants to, is ridiculous.

So far, I haven't seen anyone disagree with this. It would be ridiculous.

> I would also bet that the majority of the vocal minority are
> inexperienced cooks, who have competed less than a handful of times

Hard to say. I have, what.... many comps with various team names (dont
know the number, maybe 30?), and another 40+ judged (as best I can recall).
This is just BBQ. More often than not we're competing in chili cookoffs... That's
why the actual counts are hazy. However, you're right on one
point, only 1 KCBS event so far. The rest have been FBA, GBA, MIM,
and MBN. KCBS has very little traction in Georgia (as compared to
the whole/total).

However, all that aside, lets say you're correct in that 90% of the folks
who would like to see it changed (doesn't mean they're beotching) have
less than 5 cookoffs under their belt. The question is: Does it lessen the
validity of their argument? I, for one, dont think so. An idea is an idea,
good ideas are good, bad ideas are bad. Doesn't seem to me to have
any correlation to good or bad teams, newby or veteran. I dont see it.



> It's funny, I never hear people beotch about garnished boxes at comps

Question: Who is beotching? I haven't seen it yet. Not now, and not
at a comp. So, to whom/when/where are you referring?

Secondly, IF anyone were beotching here (haven't seen it), to what good
would it do at a comp? I happen to think on-sites at MBN are stupid
and unnecessary, but I dont beotch. I enjoy the difference it brings and
go with the flow. Why beotch? Matter of fact, the only ones bringing
in off-topic stuff and questioning anyones abilities are those that have
woefully been attempting to defend it.

BTW: Tradition IS a very good defense. Uniqueness IS a very good
defense. The others, not really. I've seen moot points and questioning
the abilities of those questioning the rule itself....


> I hate to say it folks. If you don't like it, I'd suggest finding a
> new sanctioining body. It's been nice knowing you. Hope to
> see you soon. As long as KCBS is king, expect greens.

First, I haven't seen anyone here say "they don't like it". Did you?
Please, find the reference.

Second, 'round here, KCBS is frankly a wanna be. It may be and IMHO
IS a superior organization, HOWEVER, there's about 1 KCBS cookoff in
this state to every 5 FBA, GBA, MBN cookoffs. King perhaps in your
neck of the woods, but not here, not yet. Strangely, I'm one of the
ones working hard trying to get that changed. Folks in GA have rarely
ever heard of KCBS...


> When you are at the top, folks take shots.

Actually, technically, and PLEASE read above, the ONLY shots taken
in this have been those proclaiming themselves at the top at the others
who've merely stated that they're of the opinion that garnish is
unnecessary and/or takes away from BBQ itself. I dont think any of
"us" questioned your abilities or have, as you just stated, "take shots".

Sorry, haven't seen it.
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Started competing in chili cookoffs back in the 1990's and have competed in more than I care to count. I became a CBJ in MiM in 2005, then MBN and in GBA in 2010. I've probably judged 130+- BBQ comps (sanctioned and unsanctioned) over this time. That said, I really enjoy competing more than I enjoy judging, and hope to get back to doing 4 or 5 a year in the near future.
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