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Big_T_BBQ 04-08-2010 12:48 PM

Question on Brisket fat content vs stall time
 
I exclusively eat grass fed beef - including brisket. It is very lean due to the diet and the cows being free range. I think that this is why I see a much lower stall temp (145-150) and lower finish temp of 160-165. I probe test (feel) to tell when it's done but I keep track of the temps. The brisket is still tender and has a nice pull, but it's not as tender as a modern farming methods brisket.

My thoughts are that fat is a better medium of heat transfer than water (muscle) so with less fat you're not going to get as hot internally and as a result you're not going to get as tender.

Am I crazy or does that seem right?

BobBrisket 04-08-2010 01:02 PM

Interesting. Never had grass fed beef brisket, but I think you are on to something here. I'm thinking maybe not so much an issue of heat transfer but just that the process of the fat redering and releasing itself is a longer process than the process of just water/blood rendering itself out as steam. I have no real idea. Just tossing it out there too.

I'll be watching to see what the experts have to say.

Bob

dunga 04-08-2010 01:10 PM

Where do buy the meat? I am in San Jose as well and prefer the flavor of grass fed.

Thanks

Big_T_BBQ 04-08-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dunga (Post 1243961)
Where do buy the meat? I am in San Jose as well and prefer the flavor of grass fed.

Thanks

Lunardi's on Branham and Meridian - The stock Humboldt Grass Fed - not ideally local but it works. They get a fresh carcass every Tuesday.

dunga 04-08-2010 06:02 PM

Thanks for the tip. I even have a $25 gift certificate to Lunardi's I have never used!

Big_T_BBQ 04-09-2010 05:40 AM

Bump

gordo 04-09-2010 06:21 AM

Ive never gotten that deep into what the cows are fed...
But tend to agree...
May be why I chose to cook briskets that run from...
grades of... select, choice, and prime, more marbling, the better ..:thumb:
select for birthday parties...choice or better for competition...

SmokinOkie 04-09-2010 08:06 AM

Interesting. One thing to ponder. It's not the fat that breaks down that is creating the plateau, it's the collagen (at least that's what I've heard/learned from food scientists). Collagen just has a different process for breaking down. Having said that, you're probably spot on as there is probably a lower collagen content in the briskets.

Tweedle 04-09-2010 08:33 AM

Someone said yesterday on my Wagyu post that they don't stall as long and they have a higher fat content then "regular" briskets, not sure about the collagen .... its worth looking into

Big_T_BBQ 04-09-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tweedle (Post 1244837)
Someone said yesterday on my Wagyu post that they don't stall as long and they have a higher fat content then "regular" briskets, not sure about the collagen .... its worth looking into

The "no stall" Wagyu was what reminded me to post. :-D

And to clarify what I meant about the fat content and heat; I was thinking the lower fat causes a lower internal temp which doesn't break down the collagen as well - because you're mainly doing it with the water from the muscle which is at a lower temp.

Thanks to all for Chiming in :thumb:

mgwerks 04-09-2010 10:28 AM

When I completely removed all the fat from my last brisket (both point and flat), all that was left was any internal fat (mostly in the point). There was no stall when it was smoked.

BIG ALAN 04-10-2010 03:56 PM

IMHO......grass only fed beef is chewy and not nearly as flavorful. I do like MGWERKS method of trimming all the fat, but his brisket on another thread I'm pretty sure was not grass fed beef.

bigabyte 04-10-2010 04:35 PM

Someone already mentioned the collagen, that's the stall. So the difference would be there I would imagine.

Trout_man22 04-10-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_T_BBQ (Post 1243951)
I exclusively eat grass fed beef - including brisket. It is very lean due to the diet and the cows being free range. I think that this is why I see a much lower stall temp (145-150) and lower finish temp of 160-165. I probe test (feel) to tell when it's done but I keep track of the temps. The brisket is still tender and has a nice pull, but it's not as tender as a modern farming methods brisket.

My thoughts are that fat is a better medium of heat transfer than water (muscle) so with less fat you're not going to get as hot internally and as a result you're not going to get as tender.

Am I crazy or does that seem right?

Let me understand this, do you foil? if you do at what temp. What temp are you cooking at?

The brisket will start to break down around 160 to 165 but not become tender until the 185-195 mark, from my experience it has nothing to do with the feed. I cook grass feed, wal-mart and no-name brand along with $12 lb brisket (I still want my brother in law to ex-plane that one) and some are shoe leather some are not.

Have you ever let it go to 190-195 or is it you cannot or is it a time issue

Big_T_BBQ 04-13-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Trout_man22 (Post 1246154)
Let me understand this, do you foil? if you do at what temp. What temp are you cooking at?

The brisket will start to break down around 160 to 165 but not become tender until the 185-195 mark, from my experience it has nothing to do with the feed. I cook grass feed, wal-mart and no-name brand along with $12 lb brisket (I still want my brother in law to ex-plane that one) and some are shoe leather some are not.

Have you ever let it go to 190-195 or is it you cannot or is it a time issue

Trout_man - I have yet to foil a brisket. I cook 10 lb (no fat cap) briskets at 225 F and cook times have ranged from 10-14 hours. I see a distinct stall (2-3 hours) and even some temperature drop in the 145 range then when it starts moving again it becomes probe tender at 160-165. When it's done it is juicy and very flavorful but not as tender as other brisket I've had.


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