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HankB 12-09-2013 08:36 AM

Poultry doneness and joint looseness
 
I'm wondering about poultry doneness and some of the signs that can be seen as the bird cooks, particularly with something like a turkey where a little overdone results in a dry breast. Here are the signs I see:
  • Meat pulling back on the drumstick. And like ribs, when the meat pulls back, it is not done but is getting close. I've also noticed that if the birds are cooked low 'n slow there may be no pull back.
  • The drumstick to thigh joint loosens.
  • The thigh to body joint loosens.
  • The upper wing to body joint loosens. At this point, the breast will be dry.

Have any of you noticed this and if so, do you use any of these signs to determine when the bird is done? I'm not really that confident that when I stick a thermometer in the breast or thigh that I'm getting the least done part of the bird. Sometimes when I carve a bird the juices coming out of the area between the thigh and body are a little pink and I'm worried that it is not done enough. :shocked:

aawa 12-09-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HankB (Post 2723404)
I'm wondering about poultry doneness and some of the signs that can be seen as the bird cooks, particularly with something like a turkey where a little overdone results in a dry breast. Here are the signs I see:
  • Meat pulling back on the drumstick. And like ribs, when the meat pulls back, it is not done but is getting close. I've also noticed that if the birds are cooked low 'n slow there may be no pull back.
  • The drumstick to thigh joint loosens.
  • The thigh to body joint loosens.
  • The upper wing to body joint loosens. At this point, the breast will be dry.

Have any of you noticed this and if so, do you use any of these signs to determine when the bird is done? I'm not really that confident that when I stick a thermometer in the breast or thigh that I'm getting the least done part of the bird. Sometimes when I carve a bird the juices coming out of the area between the thigh and body are a little pink and I'm worried that it is not done enough. :shocked:

I go by internal temperature. I look for 160-165 in the breast and 170-175 in the thigh. I always probe in the thickest parts of the breast and thigh as well.

What I do notice when the bird is done and I'm carving it up is that the drum stick, thigh bone loosed. The wing is loosened a bit but not as much as the thigh and drumstick.

Fwismoker 12-09-2013 08:49 AM

Yep always go by temp...if i had a dime for every time i lose or almost lose a quarter pulling my birds i'd have lots of money.:biggrin1:

Bludawg 12-09-2013 09:07 AM

Temp will never give you a bum Steer on poultry. The leg wiggle can be fairly accurate but will mislead you. I call it on whole & 1/2 birds when I can grab the Drum stick and twist it 360 in the socket if I don't have a temp stick handy.

Okie Sawbones 12-09-2013 09:57 AM

As others have said, go by the temp. I shoot for 165 in the breast.

captndan 12-10-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie Sawbones (Post 2723505)
As others have said, go by the temp. I shoot for 165 in the breast.

And, don't worry about the pink color of the juice. It is not a sign of undercooked.

ironmanerik 12-10-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bludawg (Post 2723436)
Temp will never give you a bum Steer on poultry. The leg wiggle can be fairly accurate but will mislead you. I call it on whole & 1/2 birds when I can grab the Drum stick and twist it 360 in the socket if I don't have a temp stick handy.

I think Bludawg just confirmed he does in fact own a thermometer!!!!

Okie Sawbones 12-10-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by captndan (Post 2724664)
And, don't worry about the pink color of the juice. It is not a sign of undercooked.

Exactly. Even the meat might be pink, but it is done unless you hear the chicken cluck once or twice. :wink:

Bludawg 12-10-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ironmanerik (Post 2724700)
I think Bludawg just confirmed he does in fact own a thermometer!!!!

I do and they have their uses like on poultry or roasts & smoking bacon where you don't want it to come out like a saddle fender made from the hide of a very old Bull. But I gayrontee you will never see it if I'm cooking what I consider BBQ ( Brisket, Butt, Clod, Shoulders, Ribs)

dummy que 12-10-2013 03:47 PM

poultrey doneness
 
i don`t know if this is alowed but go to www.amazing ribs .com meathead has a real good peice on how to tell when poultry is done :noidea:

Diesel Dave 12-10-2013 04:02 PM

I just wait for the button to pop up and take it out of the oven :tape: :doh:

buccaneer 12-10-2013 04:07 PM

Juice color is a myth.

I'm with Blu, thermometer for poultry, and my temp targets are lower than stated here, so feel safe because once you have been ten minutes at 135f you are no longer at bacterial risk, you are just targeting the texture and doneness you want.

bbqbull 12-10-2013 08:10 PM

I used to cook 600 to 700 chicken halves. If you lift the wing and it pops loose is one thing we looked for. Second test was grab the drumstick bone. If it spun easy the bird was done.
I confirmed this by checking the thigh with my thermo pen. All thighs were 190 to 195 internal. The breasts were still moist and we sold out every fall during our little fair.

FatCoyote 12-10-2013 08:32 PM

If you brine your bird for a bit, you can take the temperatures higher and have a more tender yet juicy bird. I take mine to 185 or 190 in the thigh and can easily remove the leg. The breast doesn't dry out this way but the skin can get tough if cooked at a low temp.

HankB 12-10-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dummy que (Post 2725206)
i don`t know if this is alowed but go to www.amazing ribs .com meathead has a real good peice on how to tell when poultry is done :noidea:

I found it at http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_tech...run_clear.html. (Links that are pertinent to the discussion and not obvious shilling for another site are acceptable here. (If in doubt, you can ask a moderator. I do when I'm not sure.)


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