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loco_engr 08-03-2013 07:46 PM

Too Many Judges
Do CBJ's has precedence over off the street, non-qualified KCBS judges
at an KCBS event?
Where would I find an answer to this on the KCBS site?

Side note: today, after signing in, I was told to "go grab a seat at a table."

I was NOT told what tables were for the judges.
I sat on an unoccupied table, right in front (3 rows back)
of the sign in location.
I was not the last person to arrive, more came in after me.
When the Reps started to sort everyone out as to seating
arrangements, I was told I was extra and not needed for
judging. Fortunately, someone decided they didn't want to judge,
so an seat opened up. The table I was at, had an off the street
person, (never judged before) already sitting there.

Thanks any/all help!

Arlin_MacRae 08-03-2013 11:31 PM

I've never repped a competition so I'm going to go out on a limb and say "Yes, certified judges DO get the nod." I'd like to think competitors would rather they had certified judges tasting their entrees.
And here we gooooooo.

arrowhead 08-04-2013 06:30 PM

it is not a kcbs requirement that certified judges get the nod over non-certified or celebrity judges. it's up to the organizer.

at the end of the day, teams notice the cbj % of the contest and may or may not return the following year. as a first year event organizer, teams inquired as to what my cbj % was. thankfully, I was at 100%.

this subject has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum and every other forum I frequent. and here we

edit: as far as the op checking in early and then not getting a seat, that falls on the reps, organizer and whomever was checking in the judges. easy task made difficult.

loco_engr 08-04-2013 08:05 PM

" it's up to the organizer."

Really, not the KCBS Rep.?

trolleytime 08-04-2013 08:33 PM

Yes, it is organizer's decision to allow non-certified judges over certified judges. I have competed in contests before where the organizer purposefully limited the number of CBJs to allow judges from local businesses because she was with the chamber of commerce and these businesses were her sponsors.

At my contest, we give priority to CBJs because that is what our teams expect. I have had to use a few non CBJs before but it was only because of last minute cancellations (day of contest). Our rep does assign seats at the tables based on the list that we've given him a few days before the contest and our judging coordinator plus the rep make sure everybody on the list is seated.

My suggestion is when you check in at your next contest, make sure to introduce yourself to the rep(s) and the organizer and hopefully they remember you when time comes to be seated. It would be nice if all the reps would do pre-seating of judges a lot more. I had to stand in the rain at a contest earlier this year along with about 40 other judges due to sorting by experience. Probably won't go back to that contest again if the same reps are there.

Hope this helps.

D. Moore
Fort Smith Barbeque Society

arrowhead 08-04-2013 08:40 PM

to elaborate a little more on what d. moore said.

the reps are at the contest to make sure the kcbs rules are followed. that's about it.

the organizer determines the number of teams, what teams, judges etc attend the contest.

carlyle 08-05-2013 09:31 AM

From the original post in this thread, it seems to me you were the victim of poor communication by the organizer, poor pre event organization by the organizer, sloppy
sign in procedure, again by the organizer.

As posted above, it is the organizer choice as to who sits and who does not.

My advice, first take a class an become a CBJ. If you want to judge it is worth the time and effort. And second, patronize contests that have an organizer who actually organizes and communicates with his judges. If you do those things, I predict a happy judging future that will erase the sour taste you now have from an unfortunate and entirely preventible experience.

loco_engr 08-05-2013 04:42 PM


Sorry, I failed to mention that I am a CBJ.
Had to show my membership card to the KCBS Rep at sign in.
I agree that the communication was very poor.
They had different colored plastic(3) on the tables.
I suggested that next year they use one color for
the judges only. Hope it didn't fall on deft ears!

carlyle 08-05-2013 05:18 PM

Glad to hear that you were already a CBJ. There were a number of ways to handle the situation better. Why anyone would want non CBJ's in the first place is a puzzle. Why they would have seating preference over a CBJ baffles me.

I guess if it happened to me, I would chalk it up as a bad experience, remember who that organizer was, and avoid his contest in the future.

Also , the Reps are blameless here, IMO.

Glad you brought this to the forum.

And, hey Fat Freddy- it was good to meet you at Mason City.

loco_engr 08-05-2013 06:36 PM

I am still waiting for a response KCBS . . .
I will have more info for next time this might happen.
Where I live, there are not a lot of comps with in what I
a consider reasonable driving distance. I'll prob go again
next year . . . wiser! :biggrin1:

Ron_L 08-05-2013 06:38 PM

I recommend that you contact KCBS directly. While some board members are also members here this is not an official form of communications to KCBS.

markG 08-05-2013 06:50 PM

Well, since the lid is off of the can of worms I will ask my question. When judges are "seated", do they chose their own seats or does the rep draw spots randomly?

Ron_L 08-05-2013 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by markG (Post 2578382)
Well, since the lid is off of the can of worms I will ask my question. When judges are "seated", do they chose their own seats or does the rep draw spots randomly?

The exact procedure depends on the reps. You may be able to choose your own seat to start but folks will most likely be moved around to separate couple, friends etc. and to get a mix of experience levels at each table. It is seldom, if ever, random.

Gowan 08-06-2013 01:29 AM

Let me give you my perspective as an organizer:

I carefully select CBJs and pre-assign them to tables. When the judges check in they simply find their name on the seating list posted at each table. It is often necessary to offer a judging opportunity to a few VIPs for political reasons, but if they are non-CBJs I use them only for ancillary categories, not the main 4 meats.

The Reps I use are the best available and I would trust them to sort out the judges for me, but by doing it myself in conjunction with selection makes for a more efficient process. Plus that leaves one less thing for the busy Reps to handle on contest day. I would encourage you to actively communicate with both the organizer and Reps at every event you judge. Far too many CBJs fail to do this and it is the source of most misunderstandings.

Finally, never forget that judging is a privilege, not a right. When you apply to judge you are asking for a job, not claiming a benefit that is owed to you.

loco_engr 08-06-2013 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by Ron_L (Post 2578369)
I recommend that you contact KCBS directly. While some board members are also members here this is not an official form of communications to KCBS.

Emailed them Sat. evening, figuring it might take a few days
to get an answer.

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