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TroyA65 07-24-2013 04:39 PM

Chuckie is an unforgiving PR!C< and pRon
 
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So this will be part rant and part request for help with pRon.

I've been reading about chuckies on here from day one and have been wanting to try one of the melt in your mouth delicious treats (as you can see my expectations were high).:loco: So a couple of weeks ago I tried one on my Mini-WSM, well long story short my fuel had gotten damp, couldn't keep temp, switched to the gasser to finish and it was a HUGE FLOP. No biggy, I know what went wrong so I'll fix that next time.:boxing:

So...yesterday was round two with chuckie (rotten bast...anyway). I had recently read the John Lewis interview/discussion and he talks about what he does to prep/season his brisket and I have heard over and over how chuckies are just like brisket so why not.

I started the night before by giving it a slather of 2 Tbsp of yellow mustard mixed with 2 Tbsp of pickle juice.:crazy: After the slather I gave it a good rub down with the mix of black pepper, lawrys, kosher salt, & garlic that he says he uses on brisket.

This chuckie was around 4.5 lbs.

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Started the fire around 8:00 am and then put the meat on at around 8:30 am.

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Temp held steady at around 250-260 throughout the cook. Unfortunately, it didn't hit the target IT of 160 before I had to run some errands (about 155 or so) and by the time I got back the IT hit 185. The other thing the struck me was the appearance, instead of having a nice crusty bark it looked gloppy:twitch: (see pic) I wrapped it up with a mix of onions, Dr. BBQ cow injection and beer and put it back on.

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I then brought it up to an IT of 205 and put it in a cooler wrapped in towels for a little over an hour and then took it out to pull. Now, I did prob and did get some resistance but I figured the hour+ in the cooler would fix that. (not)

It did pull but was a bit challenging so I put it back in the juice and into the oven at 250 for a little while and ended up with this...


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I put it on some buns and on to my finest Styrofoam china

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So this wasn't the worst thing I've ever eaten but it was far from the melt in your mouth deliciousness that I was expecting. I was expecting the chuck roast to be somewhat forgiving because it's fatty and has melting connective tissue (I was thinking more like a boston butt...easy). I'm finding this to be a bit more challenging than I expected so any thoughts you may have would be appreciated.

dwfisk 07-24-2013 04:45 PM

Never cooked one so I don't have a clue and can't help. But thanks for posting the thread so I can follow along and learn something.

Doug S. 07-24-2013 04:51 PM

I'd take the IT to 200+ :mrgreen: then rest in a foiled pan inside a cooler for a couple of hours should make "pulling" much easier !!

N8man 07-24-2013 04:55 PM

here of late I've been finishing mine in a braising liquid on the smoker with outstanding results....

cameraman 07-24-2013 04:56 PM

Cook it until it's probe tender. Just like a brisket.

Bludawg 07-24-2013 05:44 PM

A Chuck roast aint a Brisket don't try & cook it like one. It takes along time at an even temp once it gets above 200 for it to break down all the collagen. This only reinforces the I pulled at at this temp don't work. Cook it untill it is probe tender on you can take a Fork and push it in and give it a twist and coma away will pulled beef.
BBQ RULES FOR SUCCESS

YOU CAN NOT COOK GREAT BBQ ON A CONSISTENT BASIS BY COOKING TO AN INTERNAL TEMPERATURE OR BY TIME ( XXX MIN PER LB) YOU MUST COOK BY FEEL! For Brisket it must pass the poke test(probe like soft butter in the thickest part of the Flat) Ribs pass the Bend Test, Pork Butts when the bone wiggles loose. These are the only reliable methods to ensure that your cook will be a success. There is one exception to these rules and that is Poultry which must achieve and internal temp of 170 deg in the thickest part of the thigh and 165 in the breast.

Q-Dat 07-24-2013 08:14 PM

Part of the problem is that a Chuck is a huge hunk of meat that can weigh close to 30 lbs. In this large mass are different muscles that do different amounts of work, and therefore take different amounts of time to get tender. Any part of this mass can be cut off and sold as "chuck roast". If you get one of the parts that is the toughest, then its gonna be a more difficult cook.

How does one look at a 3-4 lb chuck roast and tell if its from a more tender part of the chuck? Well I don't know because I haven't cooked enough. Maybe someone who would will chime in.

If I were cooking a chuck tomorrow and I wanted guaranteed results, I would season the roast, sear it all over using direct heat. Then I would put it in a foil pan that it barely fits into and smoke it until it is fall apart tender,, all the while cooking in its own fat and juice. Will this be the exact results you are seeking? Maybe. Maybe not. Will it be delicious? Almost impossible for it not to be

code3rrt 07-24-2013 08:25 PM

Yep.......I really think you just didn't go long enough on your cook. Bludawg is right on the money on this one. And maybe just try another one real simple, forget all that slather, pickle juice and other stuff, just go with salt, pepper and maybe a little onion and garlic powder. Get it right from there and then go ahead and try all that other stuff, although a good chuckie will stand all on its own flavor wise, you don't need all that other jazz.

KC

TroyA65 07-24-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bludawg (Post 2563964)
A Chuck roast aint a Brisket don't try & cook it like one. It takes along time at an even temp once it gets above 200 for it to break down all the collagen. This only reinforces the I pulled at at this temp don't work. Cook it untill it is probe tender on you can take a Fork and push it in and give it a twist and coma away will pulled beef.
BBQ RULES FOR SUCCESS

YOU CAN NOT COOK GREAT BBQ ON A CONSISTENT BASIS BY COOKING TO AN INTERNAL TEMPERATURE OR BY TIME ( XXX MIN PER LB) YOU MUST COOK BY FEEL! For Brisket it must pass the poke test(probe like soft butter in the thickest part of the Flat) Ribs pass the Bend Test, Pork Butts when the bone wiggles loose. These are the only reliable methods to ensure that your cook will be a success. There is one exception to these rules and that is Poultry which must achieve and internal temp of 170 deg in the thickest part of the thigh and 165 in the breast.


Bludawg,

Thanks for pointing out the need to extend the time at the 200+ range for the collagen to break down/melt. I've read enough of your posts to know your feels on this subject, but I'll ask the question anyway...Are you talking about starting to probe after an hour at 200+ or 3 hours at 200+? In other words when do you start probing?

TroyA65 07-24-2013 09:15 PM

Does anyone have any thoughts on the bark or lack of (as seen in the pic "gloppy" mess)?

code3rrt 07-24-2013 11:43 PM

What comes to mind concerning the "glop"..........To me it looks like it is from a lot of excessive moisture, maybe from all the pickle juice/mustard slather? I don't know your set-up, was there a waterpan in there?

When I have done chuckies, or any other meats for that matter, I usually dry them real well with paper towels before putiing on my rubs and what not.

not sure where else to go with it.

KC

Bludawg 07-25-2013 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyA65 (Post 2564237)
Bludawg,

Thanks for pointing out the need to extend the time at the 200+ range for the collagen to break down/melt. I've read enough of your posts to know your feels on this subject, but I'll ask the question anyway...Are you talking about starting to probe after an hour at 200+ or 3 hours at 200+? In other words when do you start probing?

I don't do temps. On a chuck roast I cook it until I can push my finger in to it and it comes apart.

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Originally Posted by TroyA65 (Post 2564241)
Does anyone have any thoughts on the bark or lack of (as seen in the pic "gloppy" mess)?

You created your own nightmare with Mustard & Pickle juice Both of which are great on a cheese burger not the juice but the pickle.
I season with S&P sere on high heat and cook it until I can push my finger in to it
Post sere
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All done
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NRA4Life 07-25-2013 05:57 AM

Never had a problem with them. Dry rub them without all the extra stuff (no mustard or pickle juice). Throw it on the smoker at 265. When the bark gets the color I want, I put it in a pan and foil it with some liquid...usually beef broth. Put it back on the smoker until it is done. No temperatures...cook it by look and feel. Keep it simple, it's only barbeque.

lemur 07-25-2013 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Q-Dat (Post 2564155)
Part of the problem is that a Chuck is a huge hunk of meat that can weigh close to 30 lbs. In this large mass are different muscles that do different amounts of work, and therefore take different amounts of time to get tender. Any part of this mass can be cut off and sold as "chuck roast". If you get one of the parts that is the toughest, then its gonna be a more difficult cook.

How does one look at a 3-4 lb chuck roast and tell if its from a more tender part of the chuck? Well I don't know because I haven't cooked enough. Maybe someone who would will chime in.

Ive been having EXCELLENT results with chuck by asking butcher for one cut from "rib end"

Bluesman 07-25-2013 08:03 AM

Here's my method for mouth watering Chuckie

1.) Rub with S&P add some garlic and onion powder to taste
2.) Smoke at 275* over wood of choice until the IT is 160*
3.) Put the roast in a pan and fill with beef broth, rough cut bell peppers and onions. As a gage you want the bottom third of the chuckie in the mixture
4.) Cover with foil and put back on the smoker, or in the oven at 250*275* until it is falling apart.
5.) Remove from cooker and shred to discard all of the fat
6.) Put back in cooker to reduce the juices by 1/2
7.) Mix it all up real good
8.) Eat

Try this it may get you closer to what you want.


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