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woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 05:34 AM

fire basket to upgrade Weber Kettle
 
In a standard weber kettle, coal is place in one side, or around wall. There is much excess fresh air bypass coal without being involved in burning. This simply leads to low burning efficiency and waste money on more coal.
Also to prevent grease fire, you can not place food just above the coal. This wastes effective grill size.
http://allchinas.com/weber/firebox1.jpg
http://allchinas.com/weber/firebox2.jpg
Fire basket with Grease prevent Umbrella/Cover
designed for Weber kettle
sitting directly on kettle air inlet
Fresh air pass through coal only
no excess fresh air bypass as original
High burning efficiency
Grease prevent umbrella/cover
no grease fire for safety and healthy
Meat can be put on full area of grill
TYPE I, Dia.10" X Height 12.5"
Ex works $40
Mail cost $40
TYPE II, Dia.8" X Height 10"
Ex works $30
Mail cost $30

HeSmellsLikeSmoke 03-30-2013 06:04 AM

Hummmmmm. You are trying to fix something that not only is not broken, but is the most popular grill ever designed.

The kettle is primarily a grill, not a smoker. A grill, by definition places very hot coals directly under the meat. Dripping fat and meat juices are exactly what you are looking for. The lid prevents fire from burning up the meat. If you want two heat zones for reverse sear, you just build your fire on one side.

Smoking, however, is another matter. Your idea might have some merit in certain situations. I need to think about it some more.

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 06:56 AM

For high temperature grilling, you simply set the umbrella aside.
Still the fuel efficiency is higher.

Chairman of China Science Academy once studied in Germany
He redesigned a pressure reduce valve in hydraulics.
the new design is more simple and less pressure lose.
The valve had been living there for 100+ years!
the original valve was already a very simple design.

HeSmellsLikeSmoke 03-30-2013 07:11 AM

Another thought comes to mind. A grate would be better at the bottom than the plate with small holes, which will easily clog, so the one-touch ash cleaning system can work as intended.

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeSmellsLikeSmoke (Post 2428698)
Another thought comes to mind. A grate would be better at the bottom than the plate with small holes, which will easily clog, so the one-touch ash cleaning system can work as intended.

I will try grate if there is real need for this upgrade.
But If there is a fan, there is no worry about clog

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 08:19 AM

Next Monday I will post my "PBC", but a fire basket is placed inside a ash box, somewhat like what used in Kamado.

HeSmellsLikeSmoke 03-30-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodpelletsmoker (Post 2428739)
I will try grate if there is real need for this upgrade.
But If there is a fan, there is no worry about clog

.

I didn't see, nor did you mention a fan?

Even much larger holes, like on a BGE, would be better.

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 08:23 AM

BBQ controller is encouraged. I want to sell my controller too.
DOG system with fan adapter D for weber @$68 if bought together with fire basket
I drill small holes in purpose, leave space for big holes if buyers want

HeSmellsLikeSmoke 03-30-2013 10:28 AM

Please disregard all my remarks. It is clear that I have no idea what you are talking about here. The thread title only said " fire basket to upgrade Weber Kettle".

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 10:53 AM

BBQ controller is optional
Without controller the fire basket works well too.

Just think most do not use any controller on Weber.
But I do sell DOG to some users of Weber

woodpelletsmoker 03-30-2013 07:23 PM

TYPE II,
Dia.8" X Height 10"
Ex works $30
Mail cost $30

I will give one piece free to my old customer of controller.
The receiver needs to pay shipping cost of $30.

If you have interest, please post picture of your weber kettle and my controller here

woodpelletsmoker 04-01-2013 05:49 AM

Ceramic pit is heated mainly by radiation. There is less flow of air and in turn meat is more juicy.
In an UDS or Weber, heating is more convention than radiation. More flow of air simply makes meat drier. also the basket or fire grate design makes them draw much more excess fresh air, which makes the convention even stronger.
I know water pan idea.
But my fire basket can draw less air, and less convention, and makes meat less drier.

Toronto 04-12-2013 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeSmellsLikeSmoke (Post 2428876)
Please disregard all my remarks. It is clear that I have no idea what you are talking about here. The thread title only said " fire basket to upgrade Weber Kettle".

If I am following him correctly this fire basket will turn a Weber kettle into a smoker that uses the entire top grilling surface, I believe other designs on the market limit the usable surface area of the top grill.


Hi Wang,

I think I see a design flaw, there are 3 blades that are used to sweep burnt charcoal and this would prevent the basket from sitting directly over the air inlets:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4RALW-main.jpg

Without the blades theres no way to control air flow manually.

woodpelletsmoker 04-12-2013 08:33 PM

I thought the three blasdes were used to remove ash?
Where do you put coal on, the lower grate , or on the blabdes
simply throw blades away

My "fire basket" has been tested on UDS for 10 hours yesterday
It is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not test it on Weber yet as I do not have a Weber.
It shall work as I think!

Toronto 04-12-2013 09:03 PM

The blades have 2 uses, one is to sweep out the ash and the other is to control airflow to the coals. If you are using it as a grill the coals would go on the lower grate, coals fall through when burnt and the blades sweep it out.

Throwing away the blades would ruin the primary purpose of the kettle and make this less appealing to kettle owners. I think if you made cutout's on the bottom of basket it could sit on top of the blades which is ideal for manual airflow control, the basket would turn with the blades.

http://i47.tinypic.com/avg29x.jpg


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