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cpw 02-01-2013 08:18 AM

Harry Soo's 145 chicken...thoughts?
 
On the BBQ central show the other day, Harry Soo was talking about how he's been cooking his chicken to an IT of only 145 degrees (and holding it there at that temp for 10 minutes), and the end result was that is was a completely different product than a breast cooked to 165.

So what do all you experts out there think about this? Safe? Genius? Stupid?

bigabyte 02-01-2013 08:23 AM

:doh:

:tape:

Mattmo 02-01-2013 08:24 AM

Not an expert, however that sounds DISGUSTING! I would think it would be slimy and stringy.. yuck!

Ron_L 02-01-2013 08:26 AM

The official recommendation is 165 for at least 15 seconds.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=81738

http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html

I've pulled them from the cooker at 155- 160 and then rested, but I think 145 is pushing it. Plus, I would think the texture would be off.

jrn 02-01-2013 08:35 AM

Did he say why exactly?

cpw 02-01-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron_L (Post 2350166)
The official recommendation is 165 for at least 15 seconds.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=81738

http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/charts/mintemp.html

I've pulled them from the cooker at 155- 160 and then rested, but I think 145 is pushing it. Plus, I would think the texture would be off.

He even mentioned that. He said that the FDA basically generalized all of their data and rounded up the number to be safe. He listed off a bunch of studies that were done to prove that the 145 number was still safe.

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Originally Posted by jrn (Post 2350180)
Did he say why exactly?

It was to produce a juicier, more tender chicken. I guess along the lines of a rare vs. a well done steak.

Jorge 02-01-2013 08:50 AM

Those papers are out there. Anybody cooking a thicker breast or thigh better be sure they know where they are temping.

bigabyte 02-01-2013 08:50 AM

As far as juicier and more tender, I am going to have to call BS. Chicken (and other meats) gets more tender at higher IT's, like 180 and such. Plus, since pretty much all chicken you can buy these days is pre-brined, or people brine chicken themselves, there is absolutely no reason that chicken cooked to 180+ tenderness will not be so juicy it dribbles down your chin.

Now, I've not done chicken like this, so I could be wrong. However, my own testing on many different meats has consistently shown that meats, even meats generally considered tough (like brisket) can be tender if cooked to rare or medium rare, but after that it starts to toughen up. At 145 you are definitely in the tough zone, and meat does not begin to soften up again until it hits around 180+.

So if he said it was tender in rare to medium rare temps, I would believe him but I would never eat chicken cooked to those low of temps. Once you pass those temps though, particularly when you hit temps over 140*, all experiences and testing I have ever done indicates that the meat will start to toughen up after 140* and stay tough until it starts getting over 180* where it loosens up (this goes for all beef and pork I have ever tested it on, both fatty and lean cuts).

K-Train 02-01-2013 08:54 AM

Mmmmm, salmonella.

thirdeye 02-01-2013 09:23 AM

I'll have to listen to that podcast because my first instinct is that something is foul here (not fowl :mrgreen:). Now, white meat is so radically different from dark meat and many folks will toy with 155 on white meat,.... but Harry is talking about competition thighs correct?

I would be afraid about the appearance/texture of the meat close to the bone and would think the risk of getting scored down would not be worth it....

cpw 02-01-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thirdeye (Post 2350227)
I'll have to listen to that podcast because my first instinct is that something is foul here (not fowl :mrgreen:). Now, white meat is so radically different from dark meat and many folks will toy with 155 on white meat,.... but Harry is talking about competition thighs correct?

I would be afraid about the appearance/texture of the meat close to the bone and would think the risk of getting scored down would not be worth it....

Here's a link where he clarifies his temps and holding times: http://thebbqcentralshow.com/harry-soos-chicken-method/

Bludawg 02-01-2013 09:29 AM

It's only a matter of time before he kills somebody salmonella don't die until 160.

frognot 02-01-2013 09:30 AM

Sushi chicken mod

smokeisgood 02-01-2013 09:35 AM

Speaking as someone who lived through Salmonella poisoning from undercooked chicken years ago, I'm here to tell ya....I ain't eating it!!!

AZScott 02-01-2013 09:35 AM

It comes down to temp and the amount of time held at the temp for a food product to be safe. Harry is a pretty smart guy and I very highly doubt he would ever consider turning in a product that wasn't safe for the judges.


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