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This is not your pork! 11-26-2012 04:46 AM

27th Q: Yardbird vs. Lemon Peppered Pork Shoulder Roasts L&S 19H w/o foiling [w/ pr0n]
 
We just had to know, commercial or self-made rub, Plowboy's Yardbird vs. Lemon-Pepper.

Two about equally sized pork shoulder roasts without bone without speck with a total weight of 20.23 lbs to begin with

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A full charcoal ring with lemon lump and five small apple wood chunks for an overnighter

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The lemon peppered pork went onto the lower grate

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The Yardbird pork went onto the upper grate

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Together with a new batch of our Essence of Q Sauce

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Ready to go on Saturday evening at about 10 p.m.

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It was a cold night and a start with grate temp below 200F in the first hours, this is what it looked like 14 hours later with a grate temp of about 250F and IT 175F
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Since I was not in the mood to refill charcoal, I put the two roasts into the oven at 225F. I probed at IT 196F, the Thermapen went in like butter in some spots, but still a little tough in other spots, so I took it to IT 203, which was reached after a total of about 19 hours.

The result:

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The self-made pita bread for our pulled pork sandwiches

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The very best pulled pork sandwiches I ever had so far, with all components made to perfection: the crispy pulled pork sauced with our 'Essence of Q' with yogurt based coleslaw without mayonnaise and the pita bread => heavenly dinner to die for! :smile:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/..._pork_pita.jpg

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/..._pork_pita.jpg

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And of course the low carb variation for the wife: pure pulled pork with coleslaw on a plate

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...w_on_plate.jpg

So how was the comparison of Yardbird vs. Lemon-Pepper?

The self-made lemon-pepper rub won big time no questions asked! The commercial Yardbird rub is nice, but we just don't get the hang of it, maybe it really is just best used on poultry, I don't know. We made our own rubs right from the very beginning, and they cover the flavor profiles we like just fine. The self-made lemon-pepper is the uber-winner hands down, the smell and taste of fresh lemon zest on four-peppers-blend can drive you :crazy:!

The overall result of such a 19 hours L&S cook without foiling compared to H&F with foiling nevertheless is in favor of H&F. On one hand L&S produced the best bark we ever had, with unbelievably good pieces of fatty pork candy crunch, on the other hand most of the meat was just not juicy enough.

Is it really impossible to have it both, juicy meat and crunchy bark???

Considering my experience with L&S so far the results just always get too dry.

Should I try again H&F with foiling and finishing unfoiled over high heat for re-crisping?

Phubar 11-26-2012 04:59 AM

Lunchtime!

This is not your pork! 11-26-2012 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Phubar (Post 2281079)
Lunchtime!

Guess what's up for lunch? :biggrin:

RAZORBACK JIM 11-26-2012 09:08 AM

Looks great...very nice pic's.

code3rrt 11-26-2012 09:28 AM

Thanks for sharing your "test", looks mighty tasty!

cirk 11-26-2012 10:01 AM

You wanna share that lemon pepper recipe??

BBRick 11-26-2012 12:02 PM

That looks great ! :eusa_clap Did you follow that recipe I found a while ago ?

When doing pork L&S with this rub, I use more of the rub, really cover it up good. If you think it is too much, add a bit more. If you would taste just the bark, it tastes like too much, but since you will be pulling it and mixing it altogether, it balances out perfectly.
But then again, there is a lot of fun in making your own rub and grinding fresh herbs and spices.

Looking forward to see more of your Q !

Edit:
Lemon-pepper link but it is in German...

smokemaster1 11-26-2012 12:34 PM

Page 2 is in English. http://www.foolforfood.de/index.php/...pfeffer?page=2

cowgirl 11-26-2012 12:48 PM

Looks fantastic!!

This is not your pork! 11-27-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cirk (Post 2281184)
You wanna share that lemon pepper recipe??

My lemon pepper rub was inspired by the pepper thread, and really is just simple and basic:
  • zest of 3-4 natural lemons carefully grated
  • 1 cup of four-peppers-blend (white, green, black and red berries) coarsely grinded
  • 1/2 cup (more or less) of coarse sea salt
That mixture with 4 lemon zests gives such a rich aroma, it truely is amazing what difference the lemon oil from the zest can make.

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Originally Posted by cowgirl (Post 2281306)
Looks fantastic!!

It indeed looks, smells and tastes fantastic, but my wife is so disappointed, because she wants to eat it pure without sauce and specially reheated most parts are that dry she can barely eat it.

So the challenge is now to produce a moist pork product with crispy bark next weekend, otherwise I'll have to pause on pork (which is what the wife demands).

Now the next try will be with two pork necks without bone without speck (because there is a special offer this week), and as procedure I'll go H&F with foiling in apple juice at IT 165F till IT 200F and then recrisping the bark without foil for another half hour to an hour. If anybody has some thoughts on this plan, please tell!

This is not your pork! 12-01-2012 01:38 PM

Well, that massive amount of pork lasted till today, although we even gave some of it to our co-workers.

These are the last impressions of such pork-goodness:

Two emperor buns filled with sauted pork, our 'Essense of Q' sauce and fresh red onion for me

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...ulled_pork.jpg

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...ulled_pork.jpg

And a nice low-carb salad with pork and red onion for the wife

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...ulled_pork.jpg

Next cook is scheduled for tomorrow, two boneless pork necks without speck are already awaiting their destiny in our fridge. I'll keep you posted. :wink:

Bbq Bubba 12-02-2012 07:45 AM

Outstanding!

willbird 12-02-2012 08:27 AM

I think from my one try on boneless pork shoulder. Next time I will tie the thing up with some kind of twine, the various sliced parts from deboning as you have seen can drastically overcook. I think tying it up might help those surgically wounded parts cook more evenly :-).

This is not your pork! 12-02-2012 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by willbird (Post 2286480)
I think from my one try on boneless pork shoulder. Next time I will tie the thing up with some kind of twine, the various sliced parts from deboning as you have seen can drastically overcook. I think tying it up might help those surgically wounded parts cook more evenly :-).

That's exactly what my wife said, but I would not listen, because that measure will drastically reduce the surface and therefore the amount of bark.

willbird 12-02-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by This is not your pork! (Post 2286483)
That's exactly what my wife said, but I would not listen, because that measure will drastically reduce the surface and therefore the amount of bark.

Honestly I would just prefer to use bone in :-)..............but boneless surgically altered pork parts was all that store had :-). Bark is good..........but 25% burned to waste crunchy cinders is not :-).

Bill


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