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Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 11:41 AM

The Popdaddy/Pitmaster Final Edict on BBQ Temps
 
Yes, an edict!

An Edict is a statment of law; often associated with monarchism.

Please go on or click ignore if:

1. You think you are going to pursuade me I am anything but a "King," for essentially I am one, as Henry the IV was in Luigi Pirandello's, Enrico the IV. If you know what this refers to or at least are the type of intellect that would wiki this so you could appear to know what you are talking about then you have the intellectual qualifications to participate because it is a hell of a reference to what I do.

2. If you are a low and slower that does well with this process and know that we mutually realize that our different house temps are just another way of doing things... with different preps, rubs and tools, then this may be a waste of time.

3. If you are a noobe coming in here to say things like "there is only one true thing about bbq we can all agree on and follow that with ... bbq is not simmering, bbq is always low and slow...." well then you may want to shutup or leave.

4. If you are the type of person that says things like "such and such wins everytime," then reveal you have no team, never ran one, or was taught by some guy that knows and would refuse to reflect on your own skills you may what to pass on commentary.

5. If you are going to keep griping about your scores yet insist everything you are doing is not subject to review... you may want to cintinue your path toward mediocrity.

So who is this edict for? If you are struggling with a meat and/or have tanked your scores, and/or are totally new and want a starting point or re-reference point, I say this might be the law for you.

It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - the 270 degree temp shall be the official novice or resetting (for the experienced) house average cooking temp for both brisket, spares, beef ribs and pulled pork. This is an overall house temp.


It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that the cook using the H and F method will value a goos rest and its role in making a good brisket or butt.


It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that the depth of smoke flavor and smoke ring will be attained by a lower 200 degree initial smoke of at least one hour and no more than two (althouh Phil does a wicked sexy thang with his butts I have tried and is awesome but not for the novice).




It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - a cook will make every effort to keep those temps within 20 degrees of either side of the official noobe temp of 270.




It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that 270, or any hot and fast temp comes with its own set of rubs, techniques and tribulations. Those that seek to croos low and slow techniques (esp the use of sugars) with hot and fast techniques do so at their own peril and deserve the crappy results they will get. There can be no crossing of the streams!!!! Initially.





It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that the Night Train in a Dark Closet shall be the official starting point of mastering a BBQ Brisket and attaining the Feel without wasting precious money and resources.





It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that the Night train shall only be done with foil and in the oven and not any type of smoker.




It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that any "probe" shall be capable of performing its duty had it been created in the 1920. This would exclude electronic temp probes.




It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that these laws are intended, once again, for the novice to new meats (excluding clod which should be cooked to medium rare at 400 - 450) to the person who has lost their way or never found it from the low and slow death march.





It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that this edict was essentially a way to reconcile true hot and fast with the realities of our german steel oven pits.





It shall be resolved, that until the Popdaddy or Barbefunkoramaque or Pitmaster T brand next contradicts itself - that once the meat is mastered at the entry temp suggested, it is ENTIRELY fine to tweak to either side in both time and temp and even rub, slather, or artifical injections, to get to where the individual desires.




Here say so the Fabulous Pitmaster T. Never forget who the Edict is for. Long Live Popdaddy... ****, he died.

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 11:55 AM

The Great Threads

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Germans Borrowing My Butt Glitter - Black Forest BBQ TV ( 1 2)
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LockHart and Luling Texas ( 1 2) barbefunkoramaque



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Funkotorium Event Trailer - Built IT ( 1 2 3)
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Complete, Off the Wall but CLASSIC Insanity

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Poll: Polling Priorities #3 - What Traits do we conquer Second?
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Panty Wadders

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Night Two - Tall tales and Such ( 1 2) barbefunkoramaque

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The Stripper ( 1 2) barbefunkoramaque

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Poll: The Real Causes of Bad BBQ ( 1 2 3 4 5 6)
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Durzil 06-16-2012 12:00 PM

Great to have all the links in one spot. Thanks!

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 12:01 PM

The official "help my brisket sucks" database.

"Brisket Question" Threads

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questions on first brisket rlt


Rookie Brisket Questions and/or Requests for Intervention

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1st time brisket help?????????????? BIGBrandon2785
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Weekend Cook, 1st brisket. Sammy_Shuford
Smoker Newbie with Brisket questions ACES
Rookie brisket questions... daninnewjersey
Rookie with a brisket, need advice Smoke Show
Smoking my first brisket this weekend... Groundhog66
Dry Brisket MasterGator
Brisket getting tough after a long rest? The Frog
I'm tired and brisket is not done!! Dakaty
Failed Brisket (problem solving) Fishiest1
Broken Brisket (What did I do wrong)? twisterbret
Brisket, NOT! BRBBQ


Specific Brisket Questions


Brisket Aging Question Capn Kev
Brisket Cook Times wormdrink67
Brisket Cook Time? Pa_BBQ
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What temp to cook the Brisket Flat to juggs
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Brisket cooking time 6lb 300-350F atvottawa
Brisket too fast? Neesd help NFLNative
Brisket Flat Cooking Help Greg60525
Brisket smoking advice for a hybrid recipe misterrachel
1st brisket injection help beertender55
Brisket injection? Bigmista
brisket injection royfraz
Brisket Injection royfraz
BRISKET... wrap in tin at 170 or not? BPDC
Brisket ... to sear or not to sear ??? BPDC
Brisket-separating point/flat uncooked boatnut
1st Brisket, burnt ends question SmokeNride
Seperating Brisket Before cooking? mrichard
Question on Brisket fat content vs stall time Big_T_BBQ
Texas Brisket Rub....what went wrong? jasonalan724

"Brisket Help" Threads

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Brisket cooking help! BlueHowler
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Help with brisket So Cal EGGhead
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Dry Brisket Question?? Need Help SLCMACK
Please Help: Brisket 42BBQ
First Brisket HELP!!!!!! nrok2118
A little help ona brisket please.......... pigdog
Quick HELP!!! First Brisket!!! gotwood
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Great Tutorials and Wisdom

Bigmista

The Brisket Chronicles - Part I Bigmista
The Brisket Chronicles - Part II Bigmista
The Brisket Chronicles - Part III Bigmista
The Brisket Chronicles - Part IV Bigmista

Bigabyte

Basic Brisket Tutorial (pron heavy) bigabyte
Your thoughts on bark bigabyte
Mad Science Experiment - Smoke Rings bigabyte

Barbefunkoramaque

Brisket - Night Train in a Dark Closet - for the Funky Only barbefunkoramaque
Brisket and your Rub (For the Funky Only) barbefunkoramaque
The Taboo of Simmering - Jetton and Legends of Texas BBQ barbefunkoramaque
Temp Probes and Brisket barbefunkoramaque
The Clock and the Temperature Probe barbefunkoramaque

Popdaddy
New Video: Brisket - Hot and Fast Q and the Dirty Dalmatian Post Rub Technique
popdaddysbbq
New Video: The Cut - Lowdown on What Popdaddy Does
popdaddysbbq
Video Classic - If You Smoked My Brisket
popdaddysbbq

Thirdeye

Hot-N-Fast Brisket + Smoke Ring Experiment thirdeye

Others

BRISKET,, why is it considered to be holygrail?? jaejw1
Plastice Wrap on Pork and Brisket Just Pulin' Pork
What's with the Hot and Fast Brisket Nonsense! (Thanks to the Brethren)
BBQ_MAFIA
How NOT to do brisket - Mega Failure!! WARNING - Not for Weak Stomachs!! KnucklHed BBQ

Chickenbone 06-16-2012 01:05 PM

Awesome resource, thanks Pit. :-D:-D:-D

bigabyte 06-16-2012 01:14 PM

Damn...this is like the ultimate brisket library!:cool:

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 01:16 PM

need to be updated with the hundreds of 'HELP MY BRISKET SUCKS" threads from after popdaddy died.

March 2011 or March 0001 AD

Bbq Bubba 06-16-2012 01:33 PM

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I thought you might want to add some pictures of said properly cooked briskets...

MilitantSquatter 06-16-2012 01:53 PM

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Nobody digs your BBQ but yourself !!!!!!!!!

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bbq Bubba (Post 2096741)
I thought you might want to add some pictures of said properly cooked briskets...


Notice... for those of you who do not recognize... that stellar brisket representation of a 17 year old Jessica Alba (or Justin Beiber for the foil user) is none other than the same man who once said...

There is "NO reason to cook below 250." BBQ Bubba 3-5-2012.

He serves up about 2 tons of mouth watering brisket a week.

As mentioned before, for those that do scores of briskets, the ring set temp is not needed because the large meat masses slows down the whole cooking process anyway. The ring set intial temp is for those who to, less than maybe 5.... and even that depends on your gear. Simply put, if you are not getting a ring and care about it simply slow down the first couple of hours, use sea salt and then crank it up.

I would put Bubbas brisket against the great Billy Bones from Michigan as well. Both admirable talents.

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MilitantSquatter (Post 2096756)
Nobody digs your BBQ but yourself !!!!!!!!!


From Popdaddy's "Chilisauce 1"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j1QbDxIWpk

Ag76 06-16-2012 02:08 PM

Great thread! I just bookmarked it for future reference.

Dylan's Dad 06-16-2012 03:18 PM

:clap2::clap2::clap2::hail:

swamprb 06-16-2012 03:19 PM

I kinda feel left out-

Can you spare a little R&B Wisdom for swamprb?

Pitmaster T 06-16-2012 03:23 PM

I can't find your threads swamp... didn't you do a Night train?


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