Racial Composition of Teams???? (Interesting Split)

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I'm guessing that you have a thing for skinny girls with flat butts. :lol:

Please don't take this as a racial statement but is there a reason why black people don't barbecue in texas? Or do they just not compete?

I know that we are a minority on the competition circuit in general but I just looked at close to 500 of your pictures from 3 different contests and I only saw one black guy and I almost missed him because he was light.

This is probably fodder for a whole different thread but why do you thik that is? Lack of funds? Lack of interest?

Please don't feel like you have to walk on eggshells around this or me. I'm a big boy and I'm asking for honest opinions.
 
Bigmista said:
I'm guessing that you have a thing for skinny girls with flat butts. :lol:

Please don't take this as a racial statement but is there a reason why black people don't barbecue in texas? Or do they just not compete?

I know that we are a minority on the competition circuit in general but I just looked at close to 500 of your pictures from 3 different contests and I only saw one black guy and I almost missed him because he was light.

This is probably fodder for a whole different thread but why do you thik that is? Lack of funds? Lack of interest?

Please don't feel like you have to walk on eggshells around this or me. I'm a big boy and I'm asking for honest opinions.

I am new fairly new to this but have done my far share of large events and so far have only ran across one all black team ? sometime you might see one fellow helping or something like that but not to many compete and I can't answer as to why
 
Bigmista said:
I'm guessing that you have a thing for skinny girls with flat butts. :lol:

Please don't take this as a racial statement but is there a reason why black people don't barbecue in texas? Or do they just not compete?

I know that we are a minority on the competition circuit in general but I just looked at close to 500 of your pictures from 3 different contests and I only saw one black guy and I almost missed him because he was light.

This is probably fodder for a whole different thread but why do you thik that is? Lack of funds? Lack of interest?

Please don't feel like you have to walk on eggshells around this or me. I'm a big boy and I'm asking for honest opinions.

Neil,
That is a damn good question.
I do not have an answer.

We have a couple of black "team members" down here, but I am not aware of any totally black teams.
May have missed them.

With that said, I judged Quincey FL this spring. Quincey is a black dominated (numerically) small town in the FL Panhandle. I think there were only 13 Pro teams, but probably 20+ Backyard teams and Vendors. Most of the BackYard and Vendors were "local" and predominately Black.
I did not taste any of their Que (I was kinda full), but it damn sure looked and smelled good! Long lines waiting to be served.
They had some HUGE cookers. Cookers tended to be home made and not sophisticated. This area is not rich, for sure.
But, they damn sure put out good looking and smelling Que.

I have never sensed any feeling of excluding anyone at the comps, either FBA or KCBS. When black team members "walk", they are congratulated with "high fives" and all of that the same as anyone.

I guess it may just be a matter of culture that will evolve with time.

When y'all are the GC at the Royal, Jack, or BOTB; maybe it will inspire others to strive for competitive excellence in the circuit :lol:

Enough.

TIM

Moderator's Note:
If this develops into a productive sub-thread, I will split it.
 
Bigmista said:
I'm guessing that you have a thing for skinny girls with flat butts. :lol:

Please don't take this as a racial statement but is there a reason why black people don't barbecue in texas? Or do they just not compete?

I know that we are a minority on the competition circuit in general but I just looked at close to 500 of your pictures from 3 different contests and I only saw one black guy and I almost missed him because he was light.

This is probably fodder for a whole different thread but why do you thik that is? Lack of funds? Lack of interest?

Please don't feel like you have to walk on eggshells around this or me. I'm a big boy and I'm asking for honest opinions.

Thats funny right there. I have a thing for girls period. Mind ya, I love my wife and she knows it so she dont ever have a problem with me and my camera or my flirtin.

As to Black BBQ teams, you got me there. I have seen about 3 so far but I have only done 12 contest (this was my first year). Its a good question, I just dont know the answer. I am glad yall liked the pictures.
 
My team isn't all black. We are definitely the rainbow coalition.
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However I do know of 3 all black teams in California. The Rib Doctor, Sug's Shack and The Change Smokers. Not many other black people competing here either. It's not that I ever felt uncomfortable in anyway and I have always been welcomed with open arms. Just wondering.
 
Bigmista said:
My team isn't all black. We are definitely the rainbow coalition.
Autry91.jpg


However I do know of 3 all black teams in California. The Rib Doctor, Sug's Shack and The Change Smokers. Not many other black people competing here either. It's not that I ever felt uncomfortable in anyway and I have always been welcomed with open arms. Just wondering.

I've been asking about this very issue for a couple of years. Knowing the black influence in BBQ it is amazing that more black teams don't compete. Actually, I first noticed it at Asbury Park, NJ, in 2004. One black guy soloing...I'd walk by every now and then during the night to make sure he was "ok" and didn't go completely to sleep!!

It could be finances, it could be that the black cooks don't feel the need to compete. I've talked to a couple of black cooks and they just shrug and basically say, "I don't know either".

At Douglas, GA, there were quite a few black teams...all local and only a couple competed in the "pro" division. However, the teams did pretty well with walks and like Tim said, they all got cheers and high-fives from everyone.

I don't have an answer. I've got some theories, but they are just that and NO, I don't think it's a conspiracy!!
 
Neil, I'm wodering if it has to do with how black folk raise their kids. It may be a cultural thing.

My Cuban grandmother thought it was wrong that I liked to cook. Men didn't do that she'd tell me. It was woman's work. Hence, my father or uncles on that side have no idea how to cook. Neither do my male cousins on that side of the family.

Me - I grew up in a house where my mother worked 2 jobs, and I liked to eat, so I learned how to cook.

It could also be just a matter of where most black folk live. I could be wrong, but I think the majority of black folk live in cities. Which you and I know isn't exactly condusive to BBQ.
 
Yeah but all of those contests in the pictures were in Texas. I know there are black folx in the country there. Hell I'm related to them.
 
Bigmista said:
Yeah but all of those contests in the pictures were in Texas. I know there are black folx in the country there. Hell I'm related to them.
Even though I have a Houston address I actually am in the county. In my neighborhood the plots are not smaller than 5 acres. We are an equal mix of Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites. We all BBQ, I just seem to be the only one who competes. That being said, I dont BBQ at home much. I am much to busy. For instance I am on the way to a clients site now (I have hired a driver and a laptop mounted my truck). I work an insane amount of hours (family business). The Black guy on the corner BBQ's at least 3 or 4 times a week and you can tell his family (I am making the assumption its his family) is over all the time and thats what they do. I have asked him about competing and he seems interested but never really puts a foot forward.
 
Hmmm...I guess it's just a reluctance to take the first step. Maybe a fear of failure? Don't know. I know I don't live like that. Maybe they just don't want to try anything new. Set in their ways.
 
Moderator' Note:

This has taken a life of it's own and deserves it's own thread.
Please treat it with respect.

TIM
 
Everyone at Hudson Valley got to meet our black team member, Chris, who unfortunatley, can not cook and just likes to walk around the comps drinking wine and wearing orange clogs. I think barbeque is like hockey, except with less Canadians.
 
Even as popular as contests are in the midwest, and speaking for the ones I've attended, I can only think of 2 teams with minority members, and both are very accomplished cooks.

Mista brings up a good question.....I've never given this much thought....
 
This is really interesting. At the couple of comps I've been to, I haven't noticed a lot of black competitors. The Billy Sims team had a couple of black guys, IIRC (Billy himself was not on site). That being said, there are definitely a lot of black barbeque cooks in Tulsa. The three best BBQ joints in tows are black-owned and operated.

Now, I am neither black, or a competitor, or anything but an occasionally lucky cooker of bbq. I'm certainly not an expert on anything, but here's a theory that just occured to me: bbq is seen as a traditionally black food around these parts. And that seems reasonable to me. For a long, unfortunate time, blacks were not in good shape, socioeconomically. BBQ is not haute cuisine; it's survival food. So if bbq is traditionally black, could there be a backlash against white society co-opting it on the competition circuit? A refusal to participate?

I don't know. And I hope I've explained my little theory adequately. Bear in mind that I'm usually talking out of my a$$.
 
Bigmista said:
I'm guessing that you have a thing for skinny girls with flat butts. :lol:

Please don't take this as a racial statement but is there a reason why black people don't barbecue in texas? Or do they just not compete?

I know that we are a minority on the competition circuit in general but I just looked at close to 500 of your pictures from 3 different contests and I only saw one black guy and I almost missed him because he was light.

This is probably fodder for a whole different thread but why do you thik that is? Lack of funds? Lack of interest?

Please don't feel like you have to walk on eggshells around this or me. I'm a big boy and I'm asking for honest opinions.

I don't know about the competition part of the question,but as for the question of why don't black people barbecue in Texas???? Not really valid,Especially in East texas where I'm from. I would say a majority of east Texas Barbecue joints are black owned,and make some of the damn finest Q i've ever tasted I might add.
I'm not sure about the competition thing, but I would have to say that I wish some of the black Q'ers I know of in East Texas would get into the comp's . It might just change the "complexion" (pun intended) of the comp's themselves.
 
If I had to guess I'd say a combination of disposable income (and that term couldn't be more correct in competition cooking) and available time. I can start a list of places that are owned by black Americans that serve an outstanding product here in Texas. During the time I was cooking with a buddy that was infected with the competition disease I saw the same thing you have. I remember a team or two that was all black, and a handfull of others that were members of other teams.

Interesting question.
 
That would seem out of character because everyone I know seems to think that they know how to BBQ better than anybody. Or Great Uncle Eisenhower or Pee-Paw or Cousin Darnell with the lazy eye makes the best BBQ in the family. Of course now that I know what good BBQ really is, I'm finding that this is rarely true. But I digress.

I would think that competition would be right up our collective alley, for bragging rights if nothing else.

Maybe it's not cool or flashy enough? But if they saw some of the pits and setups out there, it would change their minds.

Imagine pits and trailers with hydraulics and gold trim. DVD players and sound systems. Wait, they have that already so that can't be it.

*sigh*

I'm out of ideas. Anyone else?
 
big brother smoke said:
Thanks for sharing!

I also pondered Mista's question.

Did you come up with any answers or even theories?
 
Found this from Google search.... Here's an article from the Houston Press from 2003...
The author is the same guy who wrote Legends of Texas Barbeque Cookbook that many of us own a copy of.

I copied and pasted the first page but there is five more pages and I did not want to have a really long post..

http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2003-05-01/news/feature.html

Barbecue in Black and White

Carving the racism out of Texas barbecue mythology

By Robb Walsh

Article Published May 1, 2003



The judges at the Houston rodeo barbecue cook-off are predominantly white. And so are the judging standards.


Thanks to events like the Miss Blue Jeans Contest, the barbecue cook-off has been likened to a redneck Mardi Gras. Cowgirls are taking turns climbing onto the stage and turning around to display their denim-clad derrieres to the audience. It's the Miss Blue Jeans Contest at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo barbecue cook-off. When a woman wiggles provocatively, the men wave their cowboy hats in the air and roar in approval. The women are all white. And so are the hundred or so guys standing in front of the stage. The cowboy next to me is wearing a colorful necklace of plastic Confederate flags. The atmosphere of a typical cook-off has been described as a redneck Mardi Gras. It's easy to see why.

As the pageant winds down, I wander the grounds taking in the sights. In front of one barbecue booth there's a huge wooden sign with "Confederated Cookers" carved across the Rebel flag. Right around the corner I stumble upon the Skinner Lane Gang busily taking barbecue off the smoker. I stand there staring at them in awe. They are the first all-black barbecue cook-off team I've ever seen. One of them invites me to come in and sit down.
This isn't the Skinner Lane Gang's first big rodeo. They won the overall championship trophy here in 1994. And they hope to win it again this time, they tell me. First, I sample a healthy pile of their brisket and a few excellent ribs. Then I start asking questions.
"How many black teams are entered this year?" I want to know.
"I think there's two or three," says team leader Louis Archendaux. There are 430 teams entered in this year's contest, according to organizers; they have no record of how many are black.
The main reason blacks don't enter barbecue cook-offs is money, says Archendaux, who runs his own chemical company in Sugar Land. "You've got to know somebody. We don't have any sponsors -- except for friends and relatives who help us out with a few bucks here and there." Although the entry fee is only $650, a mandatory million-dollar liability insurance policy, tent and table rentals, ice, and food and beverage expenses run up the tab. "We have one of the littlest booths out here. We are barely getting by with $5,000 or $6,000," Archendaux tells me.
The team's booth is furnished with a few picnic tables and a small bar. There are about a dozen invited guests of various races sitting around eating barbecue and drinking beer.
"How do you decide who to invite in?" I ask.
"We set up folding chairs outside here and watch for hungry people who don't have wristbands," chuckles a team member. "You can tell by the look on their face that they have no idea what's going on. So we bring them in and give them some barbecue."
Anyone foolish enough to come to the Houston rodeo barbecue cook-off without a corporate wristband gets a pathetic chopped barbecue sandwich, a scoop of industrial cole slaw and some tasteless beans served on a Styrofoam plate at the public tent. A $6 general admission ticket also allows them to walk around and peek into the invitation-only tents. Sponsors use these to entertain and raise money for worthy causes -- and that's where the competition-quality barbecue, live bands and open bars are.
For barbecue buffs who lack corporate connections, the Skinner Lane Gang booth is a tiny outpost of real-world charity. I take a second helping of brisket, which is very tender and cut into irregular chunks. I'm curious about how it will fare in the judging. Archendaux tells me the brisket they will enter in the contest is sliced completely differently.
"Do you change your regular cooking style for the competition?" I ask.
"You have to," says Archendaux. "If you get it really tender, you can't slice it perfectly. And appearance is very important to the judges."
"Are any of the judges black?" I wonder.
"Probably not," he says. A visit to the judging booth confirms Archendaux's suspicions: There may be a black judge somewhere, but the 60 or 70 I can see are all white.
Although many barbecue cook-off organizers would like to see more black teams participate, African-Americans are discouraged by the white-dominated judging standards and the frat boy atmosphere -- and then there are the Confederate flags.
"Two years ago, when that flap was going on over in South Carolina, barbecue teams started flying Confederate flags here in Houston," says Archendaux. "Somebody complained and the livestock show folks told the teams to take down the flags." Confederate flags are still banned at the Houston rodeo cook-off.
"Flags don't bother me," says Archendaux. The Skinner Lane Gang has been breaking the color barrier at Texas barbecue cook-offs for going on 20 years now. "We were the first black team at the Fort Bend County Cook-off in 1984," Archendaux says. "They had Confederate flags flying all over the place."
"Did anybody give you trouble?" I ask.
"There's always a few assholes," shrugs Archendaux. "But we're kind of rowdy. If you want to take it there, we can help you out. We never minded a little scrape."
The BP World's Championship Bar-B-Que Contest at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, as it is officially known, doesn't discriminate against African-Americans, its organizers tell me on the phone. If very few blacks choose to participate, well, that's just the way things work out. But Houston's barbecue contest is symptomatic of the historic racial divide that runs through the middle of Texas barbecue with far more serious consequences. This division wasn't the result of intentional racism, either. It's just that according to Texas mythology, barbecue belongs to white people.

Continued.....See link for the rest of the pages from the article...
 
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