They double check mine as well several times the have Rub One Out instead of Rub Won Out. They must be perverted or something:icon_blush:
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I modestly build financial databases for work and once it's setup it's easy to maintain and run queries and analyses from. I don't see why they wouldn't go this route. Excel would even easily used to build one.
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Yep. I think everyone is in agreement that from a technical standpoint, the challenge is minor. At this point it seems to be some sort of political, stubbornness, or misinformation issue. If that's really the case you have to wonder how many other seemingly simple issues are in the same boat...
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I'm sorry for acting like a smarty pants the other day. My point in doing that was to demonstrate that I really, really know what I'm taking about here. Next to my family, I probably devote the most attention in my life equally between systems design and BBQ. This is not just something I chose to spout off on, it's what I live every day, when not thinking about my next competition:) Anyway, my real point here is that I agree with what others have said and then some. I mean no offense to any of them, but no one on The Board of Directors of the KCBS should be making database design decisions unless you have a university degree in that field or 5+ years experience doing it. I wouldn't expect the BOD to tell a health department what is and isn't safe, and I don't expect them to tell software designers what is and isn't a good database design. What I mean is that it really doesn't matter one bit whether you call it TOY or COY. It doesn't matter whether you want the internal ID of a team entity to be visible outside of the database or not. Sound database design says that a team is an entity here, and the BOD should let some one else, tell them that. Please consider what I wrote in the OP of this thread as an hour's worth of free consulting on how to design a database, and if you don't agree with it, ask five other professionals (at least three others have sounded off in this thread). I honestly can't think of a single organization where its board of directors makes database design decisions. That is left to employees or consultants who know what they are doing. Why isn't that happening here? Enough rambling though. As was mentioned, it appears to be universally agreed by those who should know that the current plan of a database is not the best way to do it. I started this thread in the Board section hoping that some one on the board would read it and take it to heart, but since no one has commented, I guess that isn't going to happen. Rather than sitting on our thumbs and saying what should happen, how can this be taken to the BOD for hopeful action? Should it be eMailed, or should we start an online petition, or maybe should some one who is a professional on the matter speak to the board at the 12/14 meeting? This is important, and I'd rather not just get a bunch of ppl to agree and then do nothing. Thoughts? dmp |
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My point is that all of this should have been hashed out / argued in a committee made up of people who understand / do this type of work. Said committee could then offer the BoD one to three choices with all of the pro's & con's for each listed and a recommendation as to which would be the best for what we need. At least then we'd have some expert opinions from folks who know what they're talking about. |
This thread made me smile, especially seeing "tuple" tossed out. I never thought I'd see the day when BBQ morphed into mathematica obscura but here we are!
Bottom line is when everybody tells you the same thing over and over you need to start paying attention. Regardless of how the rules regarding teams are handled, serializing teams is a technical commandment. Listen up BoD and have the job done right from the beginning or we are doomed to yet another painful reinvention a short time down the road. |
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It is really amazing to see all the actual IT professionals who have tried to help KCBS fix this problem over the years. Even more amazing that every single one of them basically said the same thing. Of course the topper is that to a man every single one of them was ignored by KCBS. Really remarkable that you could get this many database folks to agree on a solution and still have it ignored. At least KCBS sticks to their guns? |
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There is a lot of semi technical discussion here about how to address the issues. This seems like a futile effort without clear requirements from the 'business' side of the organization. I'm not sure how IT professionals could help KCBS if there is not clear agreed upon system requirements. While we agree its a bad idea when the business side tries to make technical decisions. Its also a bad idea when the tech side tries to implement systems without good requirements or even worse tries to drive the requirements. |
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I've tried here to not push any business rules on the KCBS nor its BOD. My goal is not to tell them that they should have TOY vs COY nor any other business requirement. Still, I think that the technical requirements speak for themselves and demand best practices however the KCBS BOD wishes to proceed from a business rule perspective. A well designed system will fulfill those needs in a way which facilitates performance, scalabillity, reduction in errors, and flexibillity down the line should opinions and rules change. I would like the BOD to dictate what their requirements are, and while a DBMS consultant may ask questions and make suggestions, the business rules will ultimately be the decision of the BOD, hopefully with the opinions of the membership taken into account. Still, the nuts and bolts, the logical and physical ERM, would be the responsibillity of those with the training, knowledge, and experience to provide them in the best way possible. dmp |
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Listening to the special meeting that covered the subject....I don't think enough people clearly understood the issue to make a reasonable decision. I don't think enough people had a grasp of what the wanted to accomplish. I think it was clear that there was not a consensus on how to proceed. A large part of the argument was about what # to use, how many cooks, etc... For software purposes the sole decision that needed to be made was how many characters the field would accept. Database management, based on my understanding is a different contract. Personally I'd hope that export would be in SQL or another common format as well as the option for import in the same format but that would have to be defined and the current timeline probably precludes that based on issues above. |
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Scenario 1 (Off line, non-realtime):
Using this approach, IDs are utilized, spelling errors are cut down and caught on the front end, and transmission to KCBS is simple. Scenario 2 (On line, semi-realtime):
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Chris was wise when he said the tech doesn't matter until the people agree on what they want to do.
After a couple decades in IT I've come to think of myself more as a common sense advisor than a technical guru. Tech is easy - people are hard. |
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