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rwalters 02-28-2020 08:52 AM

Depending out outdoor ambient temps, itís typically 70-100į cooler than the cook chamber. I always say that cold smoking is a winter sport though... have never tried cold smoking in warm weather.

Baychilla 02-28-2020 09:05 AM

Makes me wonder what would happen to the temps in the box if the main chamber had a tray of ice.

Though I guess with a pellet grill smoking in the middle of the night is easy as you're not constantly feeding it.

rwalters 02-28-2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baychilla (Post 4276986)
Makes me wonder what would happen to the temps in the box if the main chamber had a tray of ice.

Though I guess with a pellet grill smoking in the middle of the night is easy as you're not constantly feeding it.



Not sure, have never tried. Seems to complicated to me... lol.

ebijack 02-28-2020 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4276975)
Depending out outdoor ambient temps, it’s typically 70-100į cooler than the cook chamber. I always say that cold smoking is a winter sport though... have never tried cold smoking in warm weather.

If that is the case. Setting the Mak to 250* should be around 150* in the smoke box depending.
That could possibly work. To bad there isn't more detailed info on their site.
While were at it. How do the Mak's work in the teens and colder outside temps?
Even in single digit's I"m out there smoking/grilling.
Burning pure wood in the teen's is a PIA to me anymore. Retired old fart.
And no I won't do the throw a blanket over it anymore. Never found that worth the effort.
Thanks.

rwalters 02-28-2020 10:05 AM

MAK Group Buy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebijack (Post 4277004)
If that is the case. Setting the Mak to 250* should be around 150* in the smoke box depending.
That could possibly work. To bad there isn't more detailed info on their site.
While were at it. How do the Mak's work in the teens and colder outside temps?
Even in single digit's I"m out there smoking/grilling.
Burning pure wood in the teen's is a PIA to me anymore. Retired old fart.
And no I won't do the throw a blanket over it anymore. Never found that worth the effort.
Thanks.



MAKís make for an amazing ďold fartĒ smoker! Heck, they do well for middle aged and young farts as well [emoji12]

As far as smoking/grilling in cold temps... the MAKís donít really flinch. Thereís an active MAK family member over at the MAK FB fans page... Bryan... who lives in Fairbanks Alaska. Heís been cooking (grilling and smoking) on a first gen 2 Star for years now. Some of the pics of him making pizza in the snow are pretty darn cool. Lots of freezing cold weather MAK owners out there. Donít think I have ever seen a MAK owner using a blanket in cold weather.

As far as cold smoking temps and your statement about 250į equals 150į, I donít want to lead you astray and tell you that is a definite. Because the cold smoke box is influenced by outside temps (itís not monitored and controlled like the main cooking chamber), youíll definitely need to spend a bit of time learning the cold smoking behavior of the cooker. I havenít done a ton of cold smoking, but I do know that it works quite well in cold weather.

ebijack 02-28-2020 11:02 AM

Your making me rethink about getting one. :tsk:

rwalters 02-28-2020 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebijack (Post 4277022)
Your making me rethink about getting one. :tsk:


Iíd be really surprised if you regretted the purchase. Just sayiní... [emoji6]

ebijack 02-28-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277025)
I’d be really surprised if you regretted the purchase. Just sayin’... [emoji6]

That's what I heard about my last large purchase.
Extremely bad experience.
But after all the time, modifications, lots and lots of meat. It is now a great cooker. Except for some real bad design issues/flaws.
Lots of coin I probably shouldn't spend.

rwalters 02-28-2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebijack (Post 4277067)
That's what I heard about my last large purchase.
Extremely bad experience.
But after all the time, modifications, lots and lots of meat. It is now a great cooker. Except for some real bad design issues/flaws.
Lots of coin I probably shouldn't spend.



I hear ya! Scary indeed. Rarely do you see an unhappy MAK owner if thatís any comfort at all :)

Josh@MAK 02-28-2020 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebijack (Post 4276952)
Like you I would not really use it for grilling. I wanted to be able to smoke. From sausage, jerky, fish and everything else. But I want another smoker that is able to smoke at 150*-170*. When required. I am able to do that on my smokers now. But sure would be easier with a pellet smoker.
Mak's site say's 200* is the lowest set temp. Reason I did not call this morning.
Not sure about their smoker box. The site needs updating. Some of the tabs do not link to actual info.
Again I have no actual experience with pellets. Only what I know from Ninja Steve and reading here.

Hi, Tom, we're working on the website. I've updated the cooking temperature range. 200-450 is the current setpoint temperature range. SMOKE mode swings temperatures from 170 - 190 to create the most smoke and GRILL mode will feed fuel continuously to keep the grill as hot as possible, generally topping out at around 600 degrees. The grill is governed at 600 degrees so once the thermocouple (assuming it's in its default position) reads an ambient temperature of 600 degrees, the Pellet Boss will start to back off long enough for it to not exceed 600 degrees. If the FlameZone covers are off, the temperature at the grate level will be higher than 600 degrees. If you move the roaming thermocouple to the grate level, the temperature at the grate level should remain very close to 600 degrees.

McGruber 02-28-2020 01:15 PM

Can anyone comment on the saving? Not looking for dollar amount based on posts above but is it fairly substantial? I’m not sure if I’m ready to make such a big leap. Thanks.

4ever3 02-28-2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by McGruber (Post 4277087)
Can anyone comment on the saving? Not looking for dollar amount based on posts above but is it fairly substantial? Iím not sure if Iím ready to make such a big leap. Thanks.

Just call, doesnít cost anything to talk:thumb:

Baychilla 02-28-2020 01:40 PM

So the 2 Star is the same as the 1 Star EXCEPT:
1. It has the cold smoke box
2. It has something different with the upper rack mounting points?
3. It's got stainless steel in places the 1 Star doesnt? (all over?)

What is aluminized steel? What's its corrosion resistance like?

4ever3 02-28-2020 02:26 PM

Here ya go


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminized_steel


All ya ever want to know

BKING! 02-28-2020 03:29 PM

I already own a Mak 1 star. Just wanted to say that my Mak has been my favorite smoker I’ve owned and I’ve owned 10+. I’ve owned electric, propane, charcoal, a pellet smoker from another company, and a stick burner. The Mak has the best smoke flavor of all of them except for the stick burner in my opinion. The flavor is the same as the stick burner but maybe just slightly lighter. A lot of the time I would say no difference. I doubt you will regret your purchase even if you’ve tried pellet smoker food in the past and weren’t impressed. This is night and day different from my last pellet grill.

For reference my last pellet grill was a GMG big pig trailer rig. I loved it but no comparison to the Mak daddy of pellet grills lol.

jstrand 02-28-2020 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baychilla (Post 4277100)
So the 2 Star is the same as the 1 Star EXCEPT:
1. It has the cold smoke box
2. It has something different with the upper rack mounting points?
3. It's got stainless steel in places the 1 Star doesnt? (all over?)

What is aluminized steel? What's its corrosion resistance like?

2 Star also comes with the funnel flame zone. You could also add the Super Smoker Box on the 2 Star. Which if I had the coin would be part of my 2 Star purchase which I can't buy either! :mad2:

So anyone who gets in on this deal I'm very jealous. One day.

gben 02-28-2020 04:24 PM

twist my arm
 
I've been reading the brethren forums longer than I've been signed up and everything I've read about Mak has been positive. They check a lot of boxes in what I'm looking for. The size seems to work for me, small enough for family and large enough to entertain when it comes to it. Customer service is supposedly great. Smoke profile second to none. Arm has been twisted with this news. Called Caleb, he was out of office so left message. Got to see if I can make this work. I have to admit that an insulated cabinet (lone star) intrigues me too.

rwalters 02-28-2020 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baychilla (Post 4277100)
So the 2 Star is the same as the 1 Star EXCEPT:
1. It has the cold smoke box
2. It has something different with the upper rack mounting points?
3. It's got stainless steel in places the 1 Star doesnt? (all over?)

What is aluminized steel? What's its corrosion resistance like?



Sounds like youíve had your questions answered. Didnít click on the link posted above, so maybe this was already stated. But biggest thing for me is that aluminized steel will not rust. Down the road, and with some possible chips/dings in the powder coating... you should never see rust. My first 1 Star is now going on 10 years old. I donít own it anymore as I sold it to a buddy to buy a 2 Star. But after years of heavy use, there wasnít a speck of rust on it.

Baychilla 02-28-2020 04:48 PM

Think I'll have to figure out a way to rehome an ancient WSM and an old LBGE and then call on Monday about the deal.

Johnny in L.A. 02-28-2020 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKING! (Post 4277128)
I already own a Mak 1 star. Just wanted to say that my Mak has been my favorite smoker Iíve owned and Iíve owned 10+. Iíve owned electric, propane, charcoal, a pellet smoker from another company, and a stick burner. The Mak has the best smoke flavor of all of them except for the stick burner in my opinion. The flavor is the same as the stick burner but maybe just slightly lighter. A lot of the time I would say no difference.

Hey Mr. King! Do you use a smoke tube or other extra smoke in your Mak? What are your favorite pellets?

tom b 02-28-2020 05:10 PM

I find no need for a smoke tube with MAK

rwalters 02-28-2020 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom b (Post 4277169)
I find no need for a smoke tube with MAK



Ditto! MAKís were designed to smoke. Youíll see that the first time you fire it up... and I am not just taking about the ďstart-upĒ smoke that everyone shows off. This is what youíll see a TON of... :)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0a844052ed.jpg

KevinJ 02-28-2020 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom b (Post 4277169)
I find no need for a smoke tube with MAK

What he said, don't own one don't need one, Lumber Jack Comp Blend works well for me.

4ever3 02-28-2020 07:49 PM

Made the call today, gotta figure out what accessories I want if any and place the order for the 2 Star Monday.

rwalters 02-28-2020 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4ever3 (Post 4277234)
Made the call today, gotta figure out what accessories I want if any and place the order for the 2 Star Monday.



Awesome!!!! Was hoping youíd join the MAK family :)

ssv3 02-28-2020 08:00 PM

I'd be all over one now if I didn't have my Yoder. If you're on the fence about MAK, now is the time.

alias_rice 02-28-2020 08:03 PM

Gotta give a shout out to the good folks at Mak. My 2 star was delivered today, so I obviously pulled the trigger a few days before this group buy. I called them up and asked if they wanted to throw me a discount on the wifi and Caleb had no issue giving me a deal. I was able to pay over the phone and I should have it sometime next week. I was nice about it and would have totally understood if he told me to pound sand, but that doesn't seem to be their style.

The thing is build like a tank and sexy as hell. Unfortunately, my wife is gone tonight and I didn't want to risk putting the grill body on the cart alone, so I won't have it together until tomorrow. But based on my inspection, I think I am gonna love this thing. The quality was noticeably better than the 2 other pellet grills I have had. Can't wait to get smoking on this thing!

BKING! 02-28-2020 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias_rice (Post 4277244)
Gotta give a shout out to the good folks at Mak. My 2 star was delivered today, so I obviously pulled the trigger a few days before this group buy. I called them up and asked if they wanted to throw me a discount on the wifi and Caleb had no issue giving me a deal. I was able to pay over the phone and I should have it sometime next week. I was nice about it and would have totally understood if he told me to pound sand, but that doesn't seem to be their style.

The thing is build like a tank and sexy as hell. Unfortunately, my wife is gone tonight and I didn't want to risk putting the grill body on the cart alone, so I won't have it together until tomorrow. But based on my inspection, I think I am gonna love this thing. The quality was noticeably better than the 2 other pellet grills I have had. Can't wait to get smoking on this thing!

The crazy thing is you wonít fully realize the genius of their design until you use it several times. You will quickly realize that they thought of everything.

rm41400 02-28-2020 08:08 PM

Please tell me about the controller.

Can I set “hold temp” programs when my over night Brisket meat temp hits 190 drop smoker temp to 190 etc?

Huskres 02-28-2020 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4276897)
That load of meat would be childís play for the MAK 2 Star... easy peasy. With all grates in place on the 2 Star, you can fit a TON of low profile meats. You have over 1600 sqĒ to work with [emoji41]


But itís hard to access all of it compared to my pitts and spitts.

BKING! 02-28-2020 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm41400 (Post 4277250)
Please tell me about the controller.

Can I set “hold temp” programs when my over night Brisket meat temp hits 190 drop smoker temp to 190 etc?

Yes you can automatically make smoker temp changes based on either meat internal temp or a set time.

For instance....
Smoke mode: 2 hours
225 deg until internal meat temp 200 deg
Smoke mode: indefinitely (until you run out of pellets)

I think you can make up to 4 temp changes based on meat internal temp or time.
Honestly I never use that function. I did in the beginning but not anymore.

Smoke mode is 170-190 deg by the way

rwalters 02-28-2020 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm41400 (Post 4277250)
Please tell me about the controller.

Can I set ďhold tempĒ programs when my over night Brisket meat temp hits 190 drop smoker temp to 190 etc?



The Pellet Boss controller can pretty much do whatever you want it to do... HIGHLY programmable.

rwalters 02-28-2020 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huskres (Post 4277251)
But itís hard to access all of it compared to my pitts and spitts.



Not hard, but definitely not as easy as the Pitts. Love their pull out grates :)

rm41400 02-28-2020 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277263)
The Pellet Boss controller can pretty much do whatever you want it to do... HIGHLY programmable.

Oh man... Iím sooo tempted. Thx for the info. Spoke to Caleb and this is a great deal.

What accessories are ďcanít live withoutĒ for the Mak 2*? I think I NEED WiFi but I have a FireBoard so I can monitor remotely and program the pellet boss..

Whatcha think?

Hot Spot 02-28-2020 09:54 PM

So you can only speak to Caleb?

rwalters 02-28-2020 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Spot (Post 4277312)
So you can only speak to Caleb?


Caleb is MAK Grills General Manager... heís the man that can make things happen :)

Baychilla 02-28-2020 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277315)
Caleb is MAK Grills General Manager... heís the man that can make things happen :)

I thought people were speaking with Josh:confused:

rwalters 02-28-2020 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm41400 (Post 4277307)
Oh man... Iím sooo tempted. Thx for the info. Spoke to Caleb and this is a great deal.



What accessories are ďcanít live withoutĒ for the Mak 2*? I think I NEED WiFi but I have a FireBoard so I can monitor remotely and program the pellet boss..



Whatcha think?



Other than the front shelf and griddle, I think have just about every option. My thoughts...

-The upper grate(s) get used all the time. Love the upper grates.

-I use the WiFi for 100% of my cooks. Necessary? No. Super nice to have? Yes.

-I have and use 2 MAK sear grates for most of my grilling. Necessary? No. Do I love them? Yes.

-Front cabinet door. I love the finished look it give the 2 Star and the fact that I can hide things behind it. Just an FYI... the storage under the 2 Star is not a water proof enclosure when you add a front door. No biggie as long as you know that.

Other than that, the MAK comes pretty well decked out as is :)

rwalters 02-28-2020 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baychilla (Post 4277317)
I thought people were speaking with Josh:confused:



Iím sure Josh can help, but I think it has been Caleb handling these orders. Either way, both great dudes!

rm41400 02-28-2020 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277318)
Other than the front shelf and griddle, I think have just about every option. My thoughts...



-I use the WiFi for 100% of my cooks. Necessary? No. Super nice to have? Yes.
....

Other than that, the MAK comes pretty well decked out as is :)

What WIFI features do you use on most of your cooks?

Temp monitoring remotely? Or adjusting temps on the fly.

I think thatís what I keep mulling over...

Thx again for the help

Johnny in L.A. 02-28-2020 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277172)
Ditto! MAKís were designed to smoke. Youíll see that the first time you fire it up... and I am not just taking about the ďstart-upĒ smoke that everyone shows off. This is what youíll see a TON of... :)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0a844052ed.jpg

That does look great! :D

tom b 02-28-2020 10:44 PM

I love that pic, is that mine Robb?

Crispy Bacon 02-28-2020 11:00 PM

Do any 2* owners have the front shelf? Is it worth having? Any opinions on it would be appreciated! Thanks

rwalters 02-28-2020 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom b (Post 4277327)
I love that pic, is that mine Robb?



Nope, itís mine :)

Hereís yours...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...752142caf6.jpg

rwalters 02-28-2020 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm41400 (Post 4277322)
What WIFI features do you use on most of your cooks?



Temp monitoring remotely? Or adjusting temps on the fly.



I think thatís what I keep mulling over...



Thx again for the help



I am not big into cook programs.... but if thatís your thing, itís NICE for that. I just prefer simple. I use it to monitor temps, adjust remotely, shut down remotely. Itís just become part of my cooking routine. Could I live without it? Yes... I did for the first 3 years of my MAK ownership. Finally decided to give WiFi a shot and found that I enjoy it much more than I thought I would. Just so darn convenient, especially with a super busy family and often times not being able to man the MAK in person when out and about with the family.

ebijack 02-29-2020 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh@MAK (Post 4277076)
Hi, Tom, we're working on the website. I've updated the cooking temperature range. 200-450 is the current setpoint temperature range. SMOKE mode swings temperatures from 170 - 190 to create the most smoke and GRILL mode will feed fuel continuously to keep the grill as hot as possible, generally topping out at around 600 degrees. The grill is governed at 600 degrees so once the thermocouple (assuming it's in its default position) reads an ambient temperature of 600 degrees, the Pellet Boss will start to back off long enough for it to not exceed 600 degrees. If the FlameZone covers are off, the temperature at the grate level will be higher than 600 degrees. If you move the roaming thermocouple to the grate level, the temperature at the grate level should remain very close to 600 degrees.

Thanks for the info Josh!
But I just don't see these units being able to meet my smoking requirements. Not sure I'd grill on it at all. I have other cookers that grill exceptionally well. At any temp I want. Up to 750*+.
Maybe someday.
Thanks to Mak for the buying offers for Brethren!

ebijack 02-29-2020 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwalters (Post 4277069)
I hear ya! Scary indeed. Rarely do you see an unhappy MAK owner if thatís any comfort at all :)

Not really. The company I had such a bad experience with doesn't get much bad press either. Not anywhere near like it should. Folks just put them up for sale and say they are going in another direction. Since if they told the truth. It would not be an easy sale. If that makes sense.

WBDubya 02-29-2020 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crispy Bacon (Post 4277331)
Do any 2* owners have the front shelf? Is it worth having? Any opinions on it would be appreciated! Thanks

I'm wondering this too. While the paper towel holder would be nice you really don't need additional shelf space IMO. I utilize the pellet box cover and the warmer box cover if I need to place things near the grill (although the warmer box cover can get hot if you are cooking at high temps). The only accessories I do not have are the front shelf, griddle and cold smoker box. Wifi control is a must IMO, it's awesome, the cover is super durable too.

Sooner21 02-29-2020 07:15 AM

Question for you MAK owners with WiFi - are you able to start the grill from your phone? Thinking along the lines of being able to get the grill going while on my way home from work...


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rwalters 02-29-2020 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner21 (Post 4277394)
Question for you MAK owners with WiFi - are you able to start the grill from your phone? Thinking along the lines of being able to get the grill going while on my way home from work...


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That is about the only thing you cannot do with the WiFi module. Not sure if any grill manufacturer allows for that. I have asked MAK about that, and the reason given has to do with liability.


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