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ique
01-17-2011, 08:36 AM
Are the detailed results beyond top 25 available somewhere?

Ron_L
01-17-2011, 08:57 AM
I haven't found them yet.

Ford
01-17-2011, 08:59 AM
email Dawn at KCBS. That's what's on the contacts page of the KCBS website. Maybe if 1000 teams email her they'll decide to put it on the website.

dendrijaitis@kcbs.us

Vince RnQ
01-17-2011, 09:42 AM
Dawn will give any team that contacts her their position in the Overall and in all Categories but I was told there is no plan to publish the entire list of approximately 5700 teams.

ique
01-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Dawn will give any team that contacts her their position in the Overall and in all Categories but I was told there is no plan to publish the entire list of approximately 5700 teams.

I emailed and received a response within 10 minutes

thanks

Ford
01-17-2011, 10:06 AM
Great service from Dawn. Less than 10 minutes and a complete listing of all my contests and what counted in my totals.

Hpw can we have 5700 teams? Do all these head cooks have an active KCBS membership? If so then not many cooks voted in this election and that's real disappointing.

Ron_L
01-17-2011, 10:21 AM
I wish they would publish the list. I'd like to see how some of our friends did.

here is our results in case anyone is curious.

We improved in all categories except brisket over 2009.

Overall~82
Chicken~116
Pork~38
Ribs~104
Brisket~101

ique
01-17-2011, 10:51 AM
We were 57th overall cooking 10 contests with 2 grands, 3 reserves and a 3rd overall.

Vince RnQ
01-17-2011, 12:38 PM
We were 57th overall cooking 10 contests with 2 grands, 3 reserves and a 3rd overall.


That's an awesome record, Chris. Grand or Reserve in half of your KCBS contests cooked is very impressive!

Congrats!

Candy Sue
01-17-2011, 01:07 PM
Great service from Dawn. Less than 10 minutes and a complete listing of all my contests and what counted in my totals.

Hpw can we have 5700 teams? Do all these head cooks have an active KCBS membership? If so then not many cooks voted in this election and that's real disappointing.

I am truly amazed again at the power of the BBQ Brethren!!! Y'all go easy on Dawn, she's gotten about 1000 e-mails as of right now!

There are 5700 teams because a team doesn't have to be a KCBS member to compete at a contest and I'd guess that most aren't members. Hopefully very soon, we'll have a scoring system that can track by member number(s) and actually have a verified KCBS Team of the Year list by verified KCBS member number(s)!

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Please note that the above is not reflective of anyone else associated with KCBS!

JayAre
01-17-2011, 01:13 PM
its there a particular reason KCBS has decided to keep everyone in the dark as to who finished where??? seems like it would be a pretty easy thing to post on their website

Paola Greg
01-17-2011, 01:36 PM
The full team of the year standings have been posted on the website since 2004,,,,,I don't know why they would want to quit doing that now??

Candy Sue
01-17-2011, 01:38 PM
From what I understand KCBS needs to edit out non-member teams.

Ford
01-17-2011, 01:53 PM
From what I understand KCBS needs to edit out non-member teams.
If that's the case then the info Dawn is emailing to our requests may change. Sounds like she's wasting her time and should wait until we have a good database.

I assume the KCBS had at least verified the top 10 who received awards at the banquet.

Candy Sue
01-17-2011, 02:07 PM
Absolutely! Every team at the top are KCBS members. I heard that one team refused to join and was removed from the top 20.

Diva
01-17-2011, 03:10 PM
From what I understand KCBS needs to edit out non-member teams.

Not "picking" on you Candy, I just want to get this straight:

1) You don't HAVE to be a member to COOK a KCBS contest.
2) The list has to be edited in order for it to be a 'good' database.

Why not just put the list up on the website and let it be? The staff already took the time to put everyone on this list! You stated 1000 people have asked for their standings, I'm sure she has better things to do than email each individual persons standings when a couple of clicks and its on the member only section of the website.

I find this to be quite ridiculous and a SEVERE waste of money and time.

Diva
01-17-2011, 03:16 PM
From what I understand KCBS needs to edit out non-member teams.

They earned the points being a non-member, maybe if they saw how well they were doing it might be incentive for them to sign up?

Since these non-members are able to earn points and WERE on the list, were any of these non-members asked to be in that Sams Club invitational last year? Was that even looked at? It was also stated that a top 20 team refused to sign up, were they asked so they could be acknowledged at the banquet?

Jorge
01-17-2011, 04:48 PM
Candy, is there a reason the list as it exists couldn't be placed in the members section of the KCBS site? Most of the KCBS cooks I know don't give a flip if another team was a member at the end of the day. They just want to see how they did, as well as see how their friends did over the past season.

Buster Dog BBQ
01-17-2011, 04:56 PM
I asked about this last year and was told a couple things.

1) There weren't resources to go through and validated that team names were only in once because of spelling. Like Buster Dog BBQ vs Busterdogbbq.

2) They need to scrub the list of non members.

Seems if 1000 people contact Dawn her time is better spent having the full list publicized so she can go about her daily activities. But I see the point. If you are shown on the list at 150 and when they scrub it you are down to 110 that makes a big difference.

And the Pickled Pig site is close but does not reflect what KCBS shows.

JayAre
01-17-2011, 05:15 PM
I've been told its a matter of the staff being very buzy with the banquet etc...and that the full results will be posted as soon as time permits. I have to give credit, I got a pretty quick response

Jeff_in_KC
01-17-2011, 11:50 PM
If that's the case then the info Dawn is emailing to our requests may change. Sounds like she's wasting her time and should wait until we have a good database.

I assume the KCBS had at least verified the top 10 who received awards at the banquet.

Yes Ford, they are. That's why only 25 teams were shown each week. Too much work to verify EVERYONE each week. Now the process begins to do just that. Dang, y'all need to let Dawn do her job.

DawgPhan
01-18-2011, 08:05 AM
I am just wonder how they can be so sure about the top 25 without having actually done the leg work to have a solid list of results? Maybe if there was some sort of team ID number or something like that...

But they dont publish the list because they know that beyond the teams that they specifically track they can't be sure of where the rest of the teams rank. There is currently no way for a team to double check the work of KCBS on this ToY list.

Again, this whole ranking business isnt rocket science. 2 different folks are doing it with a lot less resources than KCBS has to offer. They should just pay Paul to manage it since he clearly has the ability to track the results.

Buster Dog BBQ
01-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Again, this whole ranking business isnt rocket science. 2 different folks are doing it with a lot less resources than KCBS has to offer. They should just pay Paul to manage it since he clearly has the ability to track the results.
While I agree with you, last year his numbers were off (at least for us) on all categories and overall. Not by a lot, but before you outsource it you need to make sure the formula is correct.

KCBS has your team name with your member number when you log in. No way they shouldn't be able to show your ranking

DawgPhan
01-18-2011, 11:56 AM
While I agree with you, last year his numbers were off (at least for us) on all categories and overall. Not by a lot, but before you outsource it you need to make sure the formula is correct.

KCBS has your team name with your member number when you log in. No way they shouldn't be able to show your ranking


I am sure that any issue with his rankings are not about the formula, but rather the problem of team names. It is the same issue that I have and the one that KCBS has. All of this could be solved with a Team ID, or for scottie, a head cook ID.

Any team name that isnt consistently reported in the results the same way is going to have issues with these types of rankings. However with The Pickled Pig power rankings, you can see the results for your team and any other team and let him know that there is an error and it can be quickly corrected and rankings updated. With the KCBS method their is no way to audit the rankings to make sure that they are accurate.

Of course the team id issue has long been known and discussed. KCBS continues to please poverty on this issue, even as it would appear that money is pouring in for support of the ToY program. Seems like a fun website with "what-if" calculators and real time scores from the bbq contests would be a great place to spend some of that sam's club money.

Smokedelic
01-18-2011, 03:14 PM
Each team plays a role in this too that shouldn't be overlooked.

At every contest I've ever cooked the Reps have a list of teams, as they will be entered into the computer, at the cooks meeting. If each team would ask to see how they are listed, and make any necessary correction at that time, the chances of their scores being reported under several variations of their team name would greatly diminish.

If each team did their part to make the list more accurate, there might be fewer issues with the validity of the results.

ique
01-18-2011, 03:20 PM
Each team plays a role in this too that shouldn't be overlooked.

At every contest I've ever cooked the Reps have a list of teams, as they will be entered into the computer, at the cooks meeting. If each team would ask to see how they are listed, and make any necessary correction at that time, the chances of their scores being reported under several variations of their team name would greatly diminish.

If each team did their part to make the list more accurate, there might be fewer issues with the validity of the results.

Then there is the problem with teams in different parts of the country having the same team names

Scottie
01-18-2011, 03:30 PM
Then there is the problem with teams in different parts of the country having the same team names


Yeah, there is always this ique team in Southern Illinois that always get their butts handed to them.. So if I were you, I'd stay away from those parts. Probably Northern Illinois too... Just because! ;)

Sorry about the Pats dude. Not a very good bday present...

DawgPhan
01-18-2011, 03:44 PM
Each team plays a role in this too that shouldn't be overlooked.

At every contest I've ever cooked the Reps have a list of teams, as they will be entered into the computer, at the cooks meeting. If each team would ask to see how they are listed, and make any necessary correction at that time, the chances of their scores being reported under several variations of their team name would greatly diminish.

If each team did their part to make the list more accurate, there might be fewer issues with the validity of the results.


Most of the teams that are concerned with their standing in any of the different rankings do work to make sure their name is consistent and I really do appreciate that effort. It makes things so much easier.

Thanks if you ever asked a rep to change the spelling of your name, or contacted me to make a correction.

ique
01-18-2011, 05:23 PM
Yeah, there is always this ique team in Southern Illinois that always get their butts handed to them.. So if I were you, I'd stay away from those parts. Probably Northern Illinois too... Just because! ;)

Sorry about the Pats dude. Not a very good bday present...

Sucked. I'm giving up on being a sports fan.