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stanX
01-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Hi Y'all

You're gonna have to excuse me, I am very new and green, and in fact not from America at all - I stay in Scotland.

I have recently been thinking about taking up in business doing food at markets and weekend events. Looking into the world of BBQs I started to come across pictures of BBQ smoker trailers, and I have to tell you these are things I have never seen before, they are totally awesome!

In Scotland a BBQ is a 2' x 2' metal grill supported by bricks in which grown men burn meat. The BBQ smoker is totally another world......!

So I just wanted to ask a few questions. Feel free to ignore me if you can't help or its all a bit too basic, but its starting at the ground up.

From what I understand a BBQ smoker cooks at about 250F, so presumably you have to tend it for hours and hours. Do you guys do this overnight? I found some bold claims about time shortening rubs over at texasbbqrub do they make a difference?

Basically what I'm saying is I can imagine rolling up at an event and starting cooking, but not overnight as I think everyone around would help themselves whilst you sleep! So what can I cook in 4 or 5 hours?

I totally get the whole slow'n'low thing though, I strongly suspect there's no way of speeding it up other than cutting the joints smaller, otherwise its gonna be tough meat at the end of the day, and nobody wants that.

Is there no halfway between the BBQ smoker and a grill?

I am planning to get a propane tank of about 250gal, I presume that'll make a decent start to the whole thing, I have found a good bit about construction, but if anyone has any important tips feel free to share!

Again my apologies for lack of knowledge but I am here to learn!

Cheers!

stanX

Philly-QueMaster
01-14-2011, 03:11 PM
You can do chicken anywhere from 1-2 hours and ribs from 4-6 hours or so. Give or take a bit, but chicken and ribs will cook pretty quickly compared to brisket or pork butts. I think most people who do vending on the weekends and cook brisket or pulled pork cook ahead of time and then reheat to sell the day they are vending. They may cook over night the night before or a few days in advanced. You can cook chicken and ribs the day of. Hope this helps and good luck.

BIGBrandon2785
01-14-2011, 03:19 PM
Brisket and Pork butts your looking at 9-12 hours.I normally do mine over night or put it early in the morning and take it off at night and reheat in a foiled pan.

Pork Ribs your looking at 5-6 hours

Chicken is about 2 hours

Pork steaks are pretty cheap and you can do in about 2-3 hours as well

Groundhog66
01-14-2011, 03:20 PM
What do you want to cook?

Skidder
01-14-2011, 03:21 PM
Best advise I can give ya is BBQ ain't rocket science but there is a right and wrong way to go about it. Stick around here and read then ask a million questions. The guys and gals around here are more than happy to give you answers. Good luck.

JiveTurkey
01-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Not all BBQ is cooked at 250. You could cook pork butt in 4-5 hours if cooked around 300*. Ribs and chicken will cook faster at that temp as well. You could set up early in the morning at the event and get the cooker going and be done by lunch time. Good luck with your plan, let us know how it goes.

rescue_ranger
01-14-2011, 03:29 PM
what no BBQ haggis?

rockyathabaska
01-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Welcome Stan,
you've landed well on this site.Sounds like you want to go big!
I'd suggest looking into the Ugly Drum Smoker thread to get you started smoking.
Amazing amounts of info about building a great [and cheep] smoker to learn on and the whole process.
As far as things to smoke under 5hrs: chicken,ribs,turkey,fish,spam,venison,beef chuck roasts, pork shoulder steaks,'fatties',abt's, Moink balls.[Haggis]I'd bet that Scottish bangers would be amazing!
Got to stop listing, I'm getting hungry!
Norcoredneck has the definitive UDS startup design.

good luck,

RockyAthabaska
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BIGBrandon2785
01-14-2011, 03:37 PM
I was a novice at BBQ'in until I found this site.Just stick around and dont be scared to ask questions.And you can learn to make the best Q you have ever had.Enjoy

smokaholic
01-14-2011, 04:54 PM
There are some who swear by doing briskets hot and fast at around 350 to 400 degrees for about 4 to 5hrs but the margin of error is very small between being done or burnt. I dont know how one taste from the other but I know there are some hot and fast cookers out there.

Also I know when I cook at a competition and its quiet time around 11pm or 12a everyone kinda gets their game face on and get settled in. Havent really seen anyone wondering around and snooping. I thought it was kind of an unwritten rule not to bother other teams while they are prepping/cooking.

stanX
01-14-2011, 05:08 PM
Well that's amazing, thanks for all the responses!

BBQ haggis - could be on to a winner there....

I haven't been able to get to the Ugly Drum Smoker yet, because I can't search yet, because I haven't enough posts probably, or have a look at Norcorednecks pics

I definately want to do the pork butts, they're delicious, and no harm in having a few experiments to see if they can be done at higher heat. I think the briskets too, if I can cook them beforehand.

Its about being able to roll up on site with the monster trailer first thing, light up and be ready for 12 - 1 o'clock for service

I guess you can get up to heat pretty quickly. I have two wood stoves here for my house so I'm no stranger to lighting fires.

Regards,

stanX

OL' Timer
01-14-2011, 06:54 PM
I do a brisket in 5 hours in a foil uncovered pan at 250 . 2 hour fat cap down to get the max amount of smoke in the meat. Flip it for 1 hour fat up, Than flip to fat down and cover with foil for an hour, flip again, recover cook to 205 internal and its done.

landarc
01-14-2011, 07:17 PM
Stan, I would consider some other things along with how to cook what we cook. There are a few differences in getting certain cuts of meat and and how they are cooked. After all, you are going to have to buy the meat and sell the BBQ. Once you decide on what you are going to cook, there are going to be a lot of folks that can help you move forward. Out here in CA, we are more about grilled meats and pulled pork but, just a few states and 1000's of kilometers over, they are more about brisket and sausage.

RICK Allen
01-14-2011, 10:16 PM
I only do special events which is much like what I believe you want to get into , it may not be the right thing to do but Ismoke at about 300 till
I think, the bark and flavour is right, then put in a pan with a can of pepsi wrap tight with tin foil and slow cook for about 3hrs for a full steam tray pan of ribs and about 4 hrs for boneless butt, wrapped and pepsied, V8 instead of pepsi is also a great alternative, to save on cleaning and reserving the juices from the pork I put the pans I'm gonna use under the meat while doing the first process, just my thoughts but results and timelyness are my main concern:clap2:

SmokinOkie
01-15-2011, 08:05 AM
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I haven't been able to get to the Ugly Drum Smoker yet,

No search needed, here you go:


http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23436&highlight=Ugly+Drum+Smoker

Dr_KY
01-16-2011, 10:22 AM
Well that's amazing, thanks for all the responses!

BBQ haggis - could be on to a winner there....

I haven't been able to get to the Ugly Drum Smoker yet, because I can't search yet, because I haven't enough posts probably, or have a look at Norcorednecks pics

I definately want to do the pork butts, they're delicious, and no harm in having a few experiments to see if they can be done at higher heat. I think the briskets too, if I can cook them beforehand.

Its about being able to roll up on site with the monster trailer first thing, light up and be ready for 12 - 1 o'clock for service

I guess you can get up to heat pretty quickly. I have two wood stoves here for my house so I'm no stranger to lighting fires.

Regards,

stanX

Welcome Stan

I'm down on the other end of the island from you and we do catering, events, competitions, weddings and so forth. You may already know you need to get with the council and sort out a business license then get on a food safety course.

It's all going to depend on what it is you want to vend as to what sort of cooker you use. I can tell you now that something built only to smoke isn't a good idea as vending is mostly grilling, warming and holding.Your weather is nasty compared to what we get down here so tey and build a cooker that is insulated for those overnight cooks or at least give it a home out of the direct weather.

Rollin' up-
I don't think you will have time on a site to fire up a big offset smoker and be ready to serve in the window you are looking at. Pre cooking is going to be your friend for brisket and pork but chicken,burgers & sausages should be fine.

Let us know if you have any other questions and we'll fire some more ideas at ya.
Doc

stanX
01-18-2011, 03:51 AM
Hey Doc,

Greatly appreciate your input there. I take it you do run a BBQ smoker for events? Noted comments about insulating the thing, I take it you've found it difficult to keep up to heat in the wet and windy summertime?

Have booked up for food hygeine course, will call the council in due course about a license. Much would seem to rest on finding some good events to attend.

What I do want is to build something with a bit of WOW so I can get some interest generated by that. I guess I have to look closely at construction. And tailor the cooking to suit.

I presume it must be possible to do a hog roast in a BBQ smoker?

Regards,

stan

landarc
01-18-2011, 03:37 PM
It is, although there are smokers dedicated to cooking whole hogs. Quite a few of the Brethren have done whole hogs, go to the Q-talk forum and just ask for input on that.

PorkQPine
01-19-2011, 02:27 PM
Hey Doc,

Greatly appreciate your input there. I take it you do run a BBQ smoker for events? Noted comments about insulating the thing, I take it you've found it difficult to keep up to heat in the wet and windy summertime?

Have booked up for food hygeine course, will call the council in due course about a license. Much would seem to rest on finding some good events to attend.

What I do want is to build something with a bit of WOW so I can get some interest generated by that. I guess I have to look closely at construction. And tailor the cooking to suit.

I presume it must be possible to do a hog roast in a BBQ smoker?

Regards,

stan

If you need a pitmaster let me know, I would love to move to the old country. My catering company is "Kilted Pig BBQ" :)

Arlin_MacRae
01-19-2011, 02:41 PM
Welcome, stanX! It sounds like you'll need to conquer the wind somewhat before you can cook brisket or pork butts (or any long-duration meat), without getting frustrated. In my experience, cooking in the strong wind requires almost 100% eyes-on cooking which, although not a bad thing, can be tough for someone just starting out. I'd set up some movable wind breaks to allow your pit to breathe consistently, then you can work on your temperature control with one fewer problem.

Now, for something completely different... Since you're up there, do folks ever cook food with peat? I've got no idea what flavor profile smoldering peat would give meat, but I like what it does for whisky!

Arlin

Dr_KY
01-27-2011, 03:57 AM
Now, for something completely different... Since you're up there, do folks ever cook food with peat? I've got no idea what flavor profile smoldering peat would give meat, but I like what it does for whisky!

Arlin
Arlin- peat is available over here by a few places that support BBQ,I have some stored away that I intended to cook with some day and never got around to, I'm willing to send you a bit if you want it.

Dr_KY
01-27-2011, 04:34 AM
Hey Doc,

Greatly appreciate your input there. I take it you do run a BBQ smoker for events? Noted comments about insulating the thing, I take it you've found it difficult to keep up to heat in the wet and windy summertime?

Yes we use to do nearly any event we could get into but that has been slowed way down. After the tough rides we are more focused in what we do as a business. The Meat Beast is excellent in the wind and rain but it was designed to. We didn't add anything fancy just used what was there. It is single skinned like most cookers so there is heat loss but the intake location was key.Not the easiest to get at but it only ever get's adjusted twice.

Have booked up for food hygeine course, will call the council in due course about a license. Much would seem to rest on finding some good events to attend.

The worst part is most large events have now gone to catering agencies that in turn hire you through them for the event, this means your food prices are going to be through the roof! We thought that the prices like 5 quid for a cheese burger was insane when we can turn out beautiful pork and brisket for that same or a bit less.

Ever wonder why those people vending have that ' I don't want to be here so take this reheated burger and scat' look about them? It's because they have paid something to the tune of 1,500 bones to be there plus the cost of the product and are restricted in what they can sell. On top of that the agency has asked them to submit their prices per item and usually throws another quid on top of it for themselves. Also the vendor must use products and brands that they the agency have links to. This can take your cost up big time if they require you to buy from farmer Alisters Best of Breed All Natural Mountain Side Free Range Socially Committed Livestock where all burgers are hand mad by Tibetan children on Thursday evenings.
Go careful and read the fine print before you agree to work anywhere and remember people at festivals want cheap stodge to get down there gullet and these feativals are not like years ago where beer and a little smoke suited the atmosphere, now days it's more on the chemical side and as you know those that indulge don't tend to eat for days at a time.

It's a must to add a veggie and vegan selection to your menu, remember festivals draw hippies by the thousands over here.



What I do want is to build something with a bit of WOW so I can get some interest generated by that. I guess I have to look closely at construction. And tailor the cooking to suit.

I presume it must be possible to do a hog roast in a BBQ smoker?

Regards,

stan

great idea ! One of my cookers looks like Stevensons Rocket and get's attenion from adults and children alike. I didn't plan it that way so I guess we just got lucky.lol I didn't even know what Stevensons rocket was.

Hog roast are great as the show is where it's at but think about your cost. If you can afford to buy a hog roaster then do it. Build a smoker/grill anyway and use them as separate tools.

We do them by request as a last resort and we seriously charge for them. I try are turn them to using joints rather than a hog, we grab a pigs head from the butcher then smoke and dress it us as a center peace surrounded by the sliced and puled pork.


Hope some of this helps

Doc

Peadar4BBQB
08-29-2011, 11:40 AM
Saw this while browsing my favourite topic 'Peat.' By way of a Peat update and introduction for general information, Jim Gallagher was the owner of Irish Smoke, an American and my ex partner, who created Sneaky Peat in 1998 in Donegal, Ireland, where he retired to live.

I bought in on my return from Africa, and we then launched Sneaky Peat (USA) in 1999, which I still own and run. Jim died in 2010, and as a result Irish Smoke no longer exists, although I own the trade marks along with Irish BBQ and Sneaky Peat.

We are dead serious about Peat, have associates in Ireland, UK and Africa and are always happy to forge grand relationships promoting mutual endeavours.

Happy Irish BBQ'ing - T'is the only way - when ye know how!!