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Hot Sauce Hoss
01-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Hey all,

I have a question for you guys and gals that do comp bbq. Wife and i have been bitten by the bug and we are ready to enter some comps, but we were wondering how others travel and get all their smokers and gear to the events. Does everyone have a camper? what do you tow you smoker with? all the questions a beginer would wonder. We have two wsm 22.5 smokers and are staring to get some other items and:doh: doh, we don't have a truck or trailer sooooo we were looking for ways to get started. Got any stories to share or suggestions for us???

Thanks ya'll
Hot Sauce Hoss

JD McGee
01-01-2011, 08:10 PM
This is how we roll...
We sleep onsite in the trailer after unloading our gear...or stay in a motel.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x206/johnrhana/BBQ%20Toys/TrailerPics001.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/SouthPawBBQ/Comp%20Trailer/SouthPawBBQ009.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/SouthPawBBQ/Comp%20Trailer/SouthPawBBQ012.jpg

HarleyEarl
01-01-2011, 10:38 PM
Similar to JD, we haul the smokers in the trailer, then when on site set up a bed & kick the air conditioning on HIGH!!!

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/Marc_Matthews/BBQ%20Trailer/102_3375.jpg

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/Marc_Matthews/BBQ%20Trailer/102_3378.jpg

Here's the interior right before I bought it with stainless prep table, sink, & shelving.

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/Marc_Matthews/BBQ%20Trailer/102_3366.jpg

Here's how I like to set up if I can get 30 feet wide.

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a418/Marc_Matthews/BBQ%20Contest%20Setup/102_4105.jpg

This is the culmintation of a few years of competing. We worked our way up from the ugliest smoker out there to pellet burners now to UDS. We also worked our way through quite a few trailers and set-ups. Just start out small with only what you think you will need and build up over time.

tearl42
01-02-2011, 12:17 AM
I wish I had some picts of the way that we started... My wife has a mini van that we packed to the roof with all our gear. This year I have a LANG 84D and my RAM 1500.

A friend of mine saw what we were doing and gave me this piece of advice... "Pack Light... Disposable everything..."

altomari8868
01-02-2011, 02:41 AM
When we started we had the smoker welded to a 4x6 trailer. Everything else fit in a 2001 Buick century... Still does!!!!!!!!! My point being, you can get as big as you need to. A good book that is an easy read is "Startin the fire". It does a nice job giving you and idea of what you really need to start out...

Chipper
01-02-2011, 06:39 AM
What he said ^^^^

Ron_L
01-02-2011, 08:01 AM
Our rig is similar to the ones above. !/2 ton pickup and cargo trailer. We had our trailer custom built 6" taller inside and with a couple of windows, an RV screen door, finished walls and ceiling with lighting and rubber coin flooring. It is our prep kitchen during the day and bedroom at night.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_syPcXIICFRo/SpFG2OnINtI/AAAAAAAAEJU/LcneRtFftaI/s800/PB290646.JPG

Try to go to a couple of comps before you commit to anything. You can probably get by with a rented van or truck for the first couple. You'll see a lot of different setups. Around here campers are common and some folks have trailer pits that they tow behind them. Others tow a cargo trailer behind the camper. You'll also see toy haulers of all sorts, Class C, bumper pull and fifth wheel. It just depends on your budget. We'd love to have a toy hauler to make setup and tear down easier.

I have pictures of some setups in this album...

http://picasaweb.google.com/rclewen/CaptainRonSBrewNQuePictures?feat=directlink

Coz
01-02-2011, 08:40 AM
You never realize haw bad you look on Saturday morning till ya see your self in Rons album. :redface:

JD McGee
01-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Hey all,

I have a question for you guys and gals that do comp bbq. Wife and i have been bitten by the bug and we are ready to enter some comps, but we were wondering how others travel and get all their smokers and gear to the events. Does everyone have a camper? what do you tow you smoker with? all the questions a beginer would wonder. We have two wsm 22.5 smokers and are staring to get some other items and:doh: doh, we don't have a truck or trailer sooooo we were looking for ways to get started. Got any stories to share or suggestions for us???

Thanks ya'll
Hot Sauce Hoss

You can do a comp with your 2 22's...pork butt and brisket on one...chicken and ribs on the other. A kettle grill would be helpful for setting glazes and such. You can also enlist the help of family and freinds to help tote all your stuff...just feed them well! :becky: As mentioned above...check out a few local comps to see how other folks roll.

Good luck...and most important...have fun! :-P

Bigdog
01-02-2011, 10:06 AM
Depending on the weather, some sleep in cots or zero grav. chairs outside while others sack out in the pick up truck, both front seat and bed. Now if it were me and I really wanted to comp cook a lot, I would get a combo toy hauler and RV set up like Andy and Kim.:cool::cool:

Ron_L
01-02-2011, 10:08 AM
You never realize haw bad you look on Saturday morning till ya see your self in Rons album. :redface:

Sorry :-D

CBQ
01-02-2011, 10:24 AM
We started with a couple of WSMs and just threw everything in the car. We were so afraid of missing stuff, we brought too much. (Fair warning: now we have an RV, 3 Trailers, 5 smokers, and 3 grills. :crazy: One comp this year also included a 24' pirate ship. It's a sickness.)

I would suggest doing a practice cook outside. Leave all your stuff in the house, and as you need it, go get it. Anything you didn't need from the house you won't need in the competition either. Less is more, especially when you are trying to pack up in a downpour.

TN_BBQ
01-02-2011, 10:25 AM
Does everyone have a camper?
what do you tow you smoker with?

Thanks ya'll
Hot Sauce Hoss


Very few folks actually have campers. Sure, a few do but most don't.

Tow vehicle: whatever you got that'll do the job. Cars and vans will work, although you probably need to look into a hitch w trailer or hitch-hauler (you can probably borrow some of that stuff)

You can nap in the car or in a comfy chair or on a cot. Maybe it's me, but I like to bring earplugs.

JD McGee
01-02-2011, 10:40 AM
We started with a couple of WSMs and just threw everything in the car. We were so afraid of missing stuff, we brought too much. (Fair warning: now we have an RV, 3 Trailers, 5 smokers, and 3 grills. :crazy: One comp this year also included a 24' pirate ship. It's a sickness.)

I would suggest doing a practice cook outside. Leave all your stuff in the house, and as you need it, go get it. Anything you didn't need from the house you won't need in the competition either. Less is more, especially when you are trying to pack up in a downpour.

Outstanding idea! :thumb:

Coz
01-02-2011, 10:49 AM
Sorry :-D


Tats oK I would like to have more days like that !

Hot Sauce Hoss
01-02-2011, 02:37 PM
What a great bunch of folks you are for the pictures and suggestions. We have the fever for sure. We have a traeger 07e, and a OTG so we have been adding to the collection for sure. I am not a savy computer type (lol) so i am trying to decide on a ATC system to control two webers without having to use a laptop. We will pickup an ez up for sure and add to the cooler collection. Keep it coming all ya want this is very cool hereing and seeing the setups for sure.

Thanks to you Guys a monster is being created :-D

Hot Sauce Hoss

BBQ Bandit
01-02-2011, 02:44 PM
SmokeInDaEye runs with WSM's and pulls a 5x8 (I think).



On my gear...
Thought the first trailer [5 X 8] was big enuff for my ideas.... a Lang offset smoker changed that direction on several points.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=75&pictureid=1450

After upgrading the trailer... had to upgrade the tow vehicle, too.
Once unloaded... the trailer is cooled down (a/c) and sleep on-site
with air mattress and zero gravity chairs.



To make a decision like that... make sure the tow vehicle is capable to your objectives.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/bbq-brethren/Troop%20cook%20%20-%20Fort%20Bragg/P1010055.jpg

TRS
01-03-2011, 06:46 AM
Just the wife and I also. This year we will have 2 Stump's (Prince), 2-10x10 EZ Up's. One for prep/boxing, one for lounging/sleep. 2 Zero Gravity chairs for sitting/sleeping. We are using our 5x8 utility trailer again this year and our pick up. Everything fits but is snug and the trailer is maxed out. Next year (2012) getting a 7x14 enclosed trailer for sure.
Last year we ran with 1-10x10 EZ Up, 1 Stump's Prince, and 1- WSM 22.5. We had packing down to a science!
Not sure of your vehicle, but some teams will rent a U-Haul for their comps. They have many different sizes to rent so that helps also. It may be a challenge but its all fun!
Anything is possible, may just need a bit more planning! :thumb:

HoDeDo
01-03-2011, 07:34 AM
We use a 5th wheel now.... but my neighbors started cooking and they use thier minivan to do it all. They load it full, then drive the other vehicle to get bodies in and out... after all the gear is out, they put up an air mattress on thefloor of the van for sleeping. two WSMs is perfect for that type of travel.

Easy Peasy!

TN_BBQ
01-03-2011, 08:33 AM
We will pickup an ez up for sure

For those of us without an enclosed trailer, either get the sidewalls or get some tarps that you can quickly string up to the ez-up. If there is any sort of breeze when it rains your stuff will get soaked in no time at all....with the sidewalls you might be able to create a dry spot (sidewalls also block the sun)

trueque
01-03-2011, 01:31 PM
Hot Sauce Hoss,

Short Answer
I just completed my first comp season and recommend getting a mentor, help a team at a comp or two, do a test comp in the backyard, take a lot of notes and gear up as needed. If possible, rent first and buy only what you need. Spend your money once!


Long Answer
About this time last year, I was in a similar position as you now. After a couple of years of practicing in the backyard, I wanted to compete. I had a Traeger, a Weber OTG, no truck, no trailer and no idea how to gear up for a competition. Additionally, I have herniated disks, so I was concerned that I may not be able to keep up physically and wanted to know before spending a lot of money on this new hobby.

In February 2010, I ended up contacting a team I had met a couple years back at a local comp my son and I were checking out and asked them if they needed a hand or would be willing to mentor me. Shannon with H*QUE was gracious enough to bring me and my son along to four comps. It not only gave me the confidence that I could physically keep up, but also gave me an idea of how a comp schedule runs.

In April, I put on a test comp in my backyard, took notes on everything ... gear, time, meats and timing. I staged in my yard and if I crossed the patio into the house for anything, I noted it for my next shopping trips. I invited my mentor and other competitors to come judge my turn-ins KCBS style. I got great feedback, both positive and negative, that helped me prepare.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_1.jpeg

By this time, I had added a WSM 22 as well.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_2.jpeg


In May, I bought a two year old truck, added another WSM 22 and rented a 4x8 cargo trailer for our first comp. My son and I slept on the grass, we had fun, took more notes and made friends too.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_3.jpeg

Never stop optimizing, reorganizing and eliminating as needed.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_4.jpeg


In June, after looking around for a couple of months, I found a great deal on a three year old 26 foot toy hauler. This is our sleeping quarters as well as garage for everything. It works very well for us, keeping us dry, cool or warm as needed and clean. At this point, I load up the coolers in the back of the truck, hitch up the trailer and head out.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_5.jpeg

The bed in the back folds up against the wall for my smokers.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_6.jpeg

Setup, cleanup and breakdown are getting easier each comp.
http://www.michaeltrue.com/images/setup_7.jpeg

Barbecue has become a passion, competing is a lot of fun and just as much work, but it does not feel like work at all. I have met some of the best people in the barbecue community and would not trade this experience for anything.

Best of luck to you!

JiveTurkey
01-03-2011, 04:18 PM
Write down the things you absolutely must have... cookers, charcoal, knives... everything that is needed to prep, cook, and present the final product. Honestly it's not that much stuff. After that most everything else is just pure convinience so you can grow your set up as finances allow.

Also learn to "stuff stuff in stuff". That's my ongoing joke here. For example cambros are nice boxes for keeping food warm. They're also great for transporting other boxes, lights, paper towels and so on. Wash bins hold my extention cords and it's amazing how much a UDS with a plastic liner can hold. Buy an expandable trash can at wallmart and use your blankets for sleeping to hold everything that is packed in place. Harry Soo wins award after award with two WSMs and a mini van. Good luck and have fun.

msavard
01-04-2011, 09:42 AM
We run with a 40" Custom Double-Decker Trailer (5th wheel) for party/prep and a Tucker for cooking (towed seperately)

We typically load a lot of the stuff onto the trailer (you can see our flooring panels on the trailer in this shot here:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs561.snc3/30637_391165361622_547146622_4249963_1002261_n.jpg

Then we'll drop the flooring & carpet
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs581.snc3/30637_391165916622_547146622_4249981_5870617_n.jpg

Roll in the bars, set up the fencing...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs561.snc3/30637_391166526622_547146622_4250033_3381622_n.jpg

Then load in food, kegs, taps, signage, etc...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs523.ash1/30759_392494301622_547146622_4280246_3912828_n.jpg

We usually set up a pop tent on the back of our spot for our fryers as well:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs613.snc3/32259_393283471622_547146622_4295660_1386560_n.jpg

The Tucker (our primary cooker) is way out back on our plot of land to help our cooking team stay away from the chaos of the party.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs594.snc3/31309_393422131622_547146622_4298309_1822730_n.jpg

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
01-04-2011, 10:41 AM
The Tucker (our primary cooker) is way out back on our plot of land to help our cooking team stay away from the chaos of the party.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs594.snc3/31309_393422131622_547146622_4298309_1822730_n.jpg

looks like you are a drinking team with a cooking problem. :)

msavard
01-04-2011, 10:50 AM
looks like you are a drinking team with a cooking problem. :)

We've got just enough calls to keep the cooks happy, but we're getting more serious about both aspects (cooking & partying). We're hoping for no less than 3 calls this year at MIM and the goal is to make Finals.

We just missed it at 10th last year and we weren't even that happy with our turn-in. During onsite we were one bone not pulling clean away from straight 10's... dem's de breaks.

A possible Red Bull sponsorship this year might take us to another level... we shall see. Going to be interesting trying to work that into a sauce.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
01-04-2011, 12:45 PM
We've got just enough calls to keep the cooks happy, but we're getting more serious about both aspects (cooking & partying). We're hoping for no less than 3 calls this year at MIM and the goal is to make Finals.

We just missed it at 10th last year and we weren't even that happy with our turn-in. During onsite we were one bone not pulling clean away from straight 10's... dem's de breaks.

A possible Red Bull sponsorship this year might take us to another level... we shall see. Going to be interesting trying to work that into a sauce.

Very cool. I'd love to cook MIM but I need to step up and get some sponsorship myself to even think about it.

Ron_L
01-04-2011, 12:58 PM
In June, after looking around for a couple of months, I found a great deal on a three year old 26 foot toy hauler. This is our sleeping quarters as well as garage for everything. It works very well for us, keeping us dry, cool or warm as needed and clean.

How does the Tundra tow the Hobbi, Michael? i have a Nissan titan that has basically the same towing specs.

Divemaster
01-04-2011, 02:08 PM
You never realize haw bad you look on Saturday morning till ya see your self in Rons album. :redface:

We have a 1979 6x10 foot enclosed trailer that is pulled my my 1998 Navigator. Sorry we don’t have any pictures but we fit every thing inside for the trip including our Lang 60. Once it’s empty, we set up a queen size air bed to crash out for a couple of hours…

You never realize haw bad you look on Saturday morning till ya see your self in Rons album. :redface:
Tell me about it!!!!

At least you weren’t wearing yellow boots!

Coz
01-04-2011, 06:05 PM
At least you weren’t wearing yellow boots!


Nope I leave those Yeller boots at the farm .Brown ones or black ones for the comps :becky:



Mod edit: Fixed broken quote

G$
01-04-2011, 06:24 PM
The most succesful team that I have had close contact with fits it ALL in a minivan. (Yes, the cookers too).

:tape:

norwalkbbq
01-04-2011, 07:10 PM
We started with a couple of WSMs and just threw everything in the car. We were so afraid of missing stuff, we brought too much. (Fair warning: now we have an RV, 3 Trailers, 5 smokers, and 3 grills. :crazy: One comp this year also included a 24' pirate ship. It's a sickness.)

I would suggest doing a practice cook outside. Leave all your stuff in the house, and as you need it, go get it. Anything you didn't need from the house you won't need in the competition either. Less is more, especially when you are trying to pack up in a downpour.

By the way great pirate ship !

Alexa RnQ
01-04-2011, 08:05 PM
Hoss, you're in the same position we were when we started. We didn't own anything even remotely suitable for hauling or towing. What we ended up doing for quite some time was borrowing or renting a 5'x8' trailer, and putting a hitch on our Lincoln towncar. It had to be one of the more bizarre pairings seen on the road, and we took some ribbing for it, but it worked just fine.

After inheriting a minivan, we now have a stripped-down pack consisting of:
4 18.5" WSMs
charcoal, wood, chimney etc.
2 Caravan canopies
6 sandbags to hold the canopies down
3 6' tables, 1 4' table, 2 smaller tables
a Cambro full of pans, foil, etc.
2 coolers -- one for meat, one for other perishables
a box of cleaning supplies
a box of food supplies/sauce/etc.
a box of electrical things (clock, cords, lights, etc.)
a box of Stoker equipment
3 toolboxes with small stuff
2 sling chairs, a sleeping bag and cot, 2 standing mats

Yes, it all wedges into the van. After it's exploded, it looks like this:

http://www.rhythmnque.com/images/campsetup.jpg


You will very quickly find that the less you bring, the less you have to shag and set up, knock down and clean when it's over.

Rub
01-04-2011, 09:49 PM
I started with a 1994 Nissan pickup, towing around my home made Lang 60 clone, an EZup, and a WSM. On the long trips over a few hours I would leave the stick burner at home and take 2 WSMs.

http://www.swampboys.com/images/WSMs.jpg

I got tired of the flimsy EZup so I made a semi-enclosed trailer from an open utility trailer. I had also moved up to an '06 Dodge 2500 w/the Cummins diesel.

Eventually I saved enough money to build my current trailer which has the things to keep me comfortable when I go out 25-35 times a year, like A/C, a hot shower, and a toilet :whoo:. I don't have a picture of it opened up but here it is closed. It has a 10' porch on back with 2 mounted Stumps Smokers, and a 10' enclosed area with the creature comforts listed above, a stainless prep/work area, and my fold away cot:

http://www.swampboys.com/images/dsc_0645.jpg

This setup has been serving me well and is very functional :wink:

Homebrewed Q
01-04-2011, 11:41 PM
We just started in April 2010. I rented a cargo van, loaded my CGS, ez up, a screened tent, several coolers, chairs, fire pit, radio, fuel, and lights. Another member had a generator and a hot plate for our beans. Got a 2nd place trophy on beans now we're all hooked! Just did the one comp due to health reasons but we're shooting for 5 or 6 this year, AND we've upgraded to a BWS Fatboy. Just get out there and do it. I've met the best people so far!

Hot Sauce Hoss
01-05-2011, 07:24 AM
I am busting at the seems to get started now with all this wonderful advice. We are
honored you guys/gals care enough to share your pics and stories. We will find a way for sure, and these pics and stories are G R E A T !!!!!! :-D

Hot Sauce Hoss
( on the way to being a farker )

trueque
01-05-2011, 08:23 AM
How does the Tundra tow the Hobbi, Michael? i have a Nissan titan that has basically the same towing specs.


The Tundra does a great job. The Hobbi with empty tanks and my gear is right around 5,100 lbs. I do notice the difference before and after dumping black and grey water tanks.

I have driven round trip to Columbia several times and it handles the hills well. Actually, I have found the sweet spot to be right around 80mph for those rolling hills. If I get stuck in traffic at 65-70mph, it seems to bounce between gears from the flats to the hills.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
01-05-2011, 10:56 AM
Last year was our rookie season and we piled all of our gear in a borrowed F150 and a 5x8 utility trailer. We slept under our two EZ-Ups. We are hoping to get our own 20 foot enclosed trailer with heat and AC this year.

vexter1
01-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Our 1st year we used a 20 x 20 pole tent - we could fit everything we needed on my trailer pit or the back of a ext. cab Silverado. LOTS of packing/unpacking and break down but you couldn't miss us at a comp ;)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_LQNKoG63w1c/SyZPWJ1hmyI/AAAAAAAAARE/Kt86SaPwDfs/s800/DSCF0002.JPG


Our 2nd year I had a custom built trailer made with all the fun stuff including sides that turned into a roof, sinks, hot/cold water and anything I could think of to make it easier. We packed a lot less in the truck. Then we bought a RV and too it all to each comp.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_LQNKoG63w1c/SyZWhI4PDwI/AAAAAAAAAms/rSAZJyBH-xA/s800/P1010795.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_LQNKoG63w1c/SyZWhjmHK3I/AAAAAAAAAm4/dM9rAkM6kiw/s800/P1010797.JPG


Final run with the RV and trailer here -
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_LQNKoG63w1c/S-dBgzZ5o1I/AAAAAAAAB6o/ybhUOmUUHf4/s800/IMG_0838.JPG


This last year I downsized heavily, and got down to 1 trailer and the Tundra. The trailer is a 05 Play Mor Toy Hauler (made right here in MO!) and tows very well with my Tundra.

Here's how we look today -
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_LQNKoG63w1c/TJa2T9V9MHI/AAAAAAAACRA/CFRxPqjrmQ0/s800/P1030127.JPG

The trailer is the best thing yet - I must admit, I enjoy sleeping in the A/C on a semi confortable bed (after those first couple of years doing an air matress or chair), having a dry place to be inside or warm if I need it. Toilet is over the top! Especially in the middle of the night.

I loved my large setups for the fun factor, but the work got old - so I have really enjoyed getting the toy hauler and getting down to minimal setup/cleanup. Plus I built in sinks in the toy hauler area - so we have a dish washing prep area in there when the pit is moved out - we can cook out of our trailer entirely if needed without having to unload much. It sure makes cooking a lot more fun - plus we keep all the supplied stocked in it over the season, so a quick inventory before we go shopping and we restock and we just load 3 plastic tubs, and charcoal,wood and a few other odds and ends - usually takes about 2 hours to head out for a comp if everything goes well.

Hope this helps a bit!

Candy Sue
01-05-2011, 02:18 PM
I started in my pickup truck with a shell on the bed with all the equipment in the back. About 6 months into competing, I switched to FEC100. Many contests I'd lay it on its back, stick a WSM in the cooking chamber and pile stuff around the FEC. Then came the trailer, then a bigger truck to make towing easier. Then I got the pellet Jambo, which meant I was back to loading up the back of the truck and towing the cooker. Got real lucky and won the downpayment for a Class B conversion van. Makes it almost too comfortable cooking contests (and my scores show that)! But it cut out about 25% of my fuel costs traveling. Funny, but after 6 years of doing what we do, I'm still simplifying my "must have" list. More stuff you have, more it slows you down. Oh, and no matter what, you'll always forget something! Managing that and working thru it is a biggie. Last contest I cooked, I forgot my overnight bag with clothes...had a change in the van, thank goodness!

Ron_L
01-05-2011, 02:32 PM
This last year I downsized heavily, and got down to 1 trailer and the Tundra. The trailer is a 05 Play Mor Toy Hauler (made right here in MO!) and tows very well with my Tundra.


How long is the Play Mor? Do you know the specs (GVWR, Cargo carrying capacity, tongue weight?). I've looked at a couple of toy haulers that are similar (Work-n-Play, Campmaster). The W-n-P are all very heavy compared to the Campmaster.

vexter1
01-05-2011, 07:37 PM
How long is the Play Mor? Do you know the specs (GVWR, Cargo carrying capacity, tongue weight?). I've looked at a couple of toy haulers that are similar (Work-n-Play, Campmaster). The W-n-P are all very heavy compared to the Campmaster.


Ron - the Play Mor is 24' long - I'm struggling right at the moment to remember all the specs (it's a 8x24 SLQ if I remember correctly) - these are the specs from their web site for a 2007 model (mine is a 05) but should be close and it sounds about right - but if you really need the specs - pm me and I'll swing by the trailer and get the specs off the sticker. I know for a fact that loaded - I'm right at the towing capacity of the Tundra - but it handles it fine with load leveling bars. The Work and Plays are MUCH heavier but I will say this - the Play Mors are SOLID. I would own another one in a heartbeat - it's VERY well built and everything is top notch. I chose this model because the garage is separate from living quarters which was a must have for me. HTH!



 
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