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Jorge
10-13-2010, 07:55 AM
Having had several conversations about the KCBS BoD election that is approaching, over the last few months, I took the time to think about how I'd determine who I'd vote for. I came up with the basic criteria below.

It's going to take more than name recognition for me to cast a vote this year.

I need to see that a candidate has skills to offer to KCBS, whether that's management experience, a technical background that would be beneficial, experience in helping a business or other NFP grow efficiently, etc.

I need some clear examples of issues they believe in, and will work to develop while serving. I want to hear something other than helping foster harmony and cooperation on the board. While I believe that it's crucial, I believe that it will be such a common theme that it will be meaningless as a discriminating factor. A good start would be a clear statement on what they believe the role of the BoD should be and what they will do to help achieve that goal. I'd like to see some form of a code of conduct or ethics developed, with some clear repercussions if one or the other is violated.

Most importantly, I will only vote for someone that I believe will act as a "Director" and not a "Manager". I want to be able to vote for a candidate that is interested in taking advantage of the growth opportunities that may present themselves, and run this organization like a business and not a dysfunctional club.

While I'm grateful for the service of the existing BoD, and members that have served in the past, I think it's time for a change. As the board exists now, I've heard too many scraps and seen too much evidence of grudges, feuds, and burned bridges to have any confidence that there will be a change in the way that the business of the BoD is carried out without a significant change in the makeup of that board. Anyone meeting the qualifications outlined above, and that I can reasonably believe will put forth the effort to remain free of the existing polarization of the current BoD and carry out their duties for the benefit of the organization has a shot at my vote.

EDIT: I should add that my dissatisfaction is with the current board as a whole. Not individual members or factions. The polarization that exists today, is there because it has been allowed to grow.

Jacked UP BBQ
10-13-2010, 08:09 AM
I truly believe the entire thing is a joke. We are cooking food for money. This is way too serious and political for what it is. It is nice to have organization and rules, but once they are set which they are, either follow them or dont participate.

JD McGee
10-13-2010, 08:11 AM
I am pretty much removed from the KCBS politics out here...other than what I read on the forums...this one in particular. As a KCBS member with a vote I also take my queue from you folks as to who to vote for. I will be watching and reading with an open mind...thanks for starting this thread Jorge! :cool:
JD

Divemaster
10-13-2010, 08:14 AM
I agree. The BoD needs to move to a more 'Corporate' level where you actually let people do their jobs. I don't feel it is the place of the BoD to deal with the day to day running of the KCBS. It's their job to have a vision and move that vision to the reality.

When a company, and let's not fool ourselves KCBS is a company, is small, a leadership role requires getting down in the trenches. Once that company grows the role of leadership changes, less shovels and more vision. You want to know what a BoD should be doing, let's see... Board of Directors... Director to me is someone that gives direction and leadership, it’s that simple.

ThomEmery
10-13-2010, 08:35 AM
Well said
I have started with a theme of "helping foster harmony and cooperation on the board."
Specifics concerning the future will be added as the campaign continues.
It is October and we have a long way to go here.

Diva
10-13-2010, 09:28 AM
I'm with you, Jorge. One of the other things I'll be looking at is if any of the nominees are in cahoots with past/existing BOD members.

drbbq
10-13-2010, 11:36 AM
I'm with you, Jorge. One of the other things I'll be looking at is if any of the nominees are in cahoots with past/existing BOD members.

I agree and I'll be looking to see if they're in cahoots with the Executive Director as well. She is way more involved in the bull**** than people want to believe.

Bigdog
10-13-2010, 11:42 AM
I agree and I'll be looking to see if they're in cahoots with the Executive Director as well. She is way more involved in the bull**** than people want to believe.

Thanks for the inside info. When of the best things I like about you Ray is that you always speak your mind. :cool:

big brother smoke
10-13-2010, 12:12 PM
I have been a member now of KCBS since 07 and I keep asking myself why? In three years, I have seen too much High School student council B.S.

I am looking for BOD members who will listen to its membership and implement change for the better. Tired of the Cronie Network and lack of professionalism!

Sawdustguy
10-13-2010, 03:03 PM
I truly believe the entire thing is a joke. We are cooking food for money. This is way too serious and political for what it is. It is nice to have organization and rules, but once they are set which they are, either follow them or dont participate.

Life would be wonderful if everything were black and white. Nothing becomes simple as soon as money is involved. Someone has to run the organization.

Sawdustguy
10-13-2010, 04:04 PM
Nobody is going to nominate me so I can chime in. The KCBS is a business, a not for profit business. It's product is the sanctioning of bbq contests, and it's customers are the contest organizers, bbq teams and members. As any other business it can sink or swim based on the customer's satisfaction with the product. As I look at the KCBS, I see a company that is successful in spite of themselves. It seems that the board of directors have lost their focus and their customers are unsatisfied. Like any other business, the KCBS should be run by a group of professionals, who can make decisions without emotion or personal agendas. Most companies hire and fire their executives based on performance and the KCBS should be no different. Yes, it is time for change . It is time for the KCBS to be run like a proper business focused on growth and the satisfaction of their customers. We as the customers should let the BOD how dissatisified we are and elect BOD members who can put their emotions and personal adgenda's aside and tend to the business of satisfying their customers.

LGHT
10-13-2010, 04:40 PM
Wow seems like you guys are looking for a BBQ fan that sits on the board of a major company, is a director of a firm, has worked in more than 5 fortune 500 companies in a management roll and knows what it takes to give it's "customers" what they want.

The problem is unless the person runs a campaign and invest a lot of time and effort it's very doubtful anyone will elect him. So basically you end up getting a person that is popular and has a lot of support struggling to figure out how to keep that support instead of pleasing the customers.

Smokin' Joe
10-13-2010, 05:59 PM
Do KCBS board members receive compensation in any form? No I'm not interested, just curious why some may be:-P

Jacked UP BBQ
10-13-2010, 06:20 PM
Life would be wonderful if everything were black and white. Nothing becomes simple as soon as money is involved. Someone has to run the organization.


Is there more to this than I know??? Are they volunteers? I have an idea, if everyone hates it so much why doesnt anyone boycot? People just like to bitch. Like BP, its the busiest gas station in my area but three months ago everyone hated them. Sometimes you just have to deal with what is dealt and if this is truly a business and you dont like how its ran, GO ELSEWHERE. Simple...

Jorge
10-13-2010, 06:31 PM
Is there more to this than I know??? Are they volunteers? I have an idea, if everyone hates it so much why doesnt anyone boycot? People just like to bitch. Like BP, its the busiest gas station in my area but three months ago everyone hated them. Sometimes you just have to deal with what is dealt and if this is truly a business and you dont like how its ran, GO ELSEWHERE. Simple...

Matt, I understand your point but don't agree. You've had some success at competition BBQ that is well earned. You've been able to reap some of the benefits from the organization. Some of the things that you may appreciate about KCBS have been made possible by the work of others that felt contributing to the organization was worthwhile. If nobody gave a flip, where would that organization be?

Beyond that, paying members have every right to voice their opinion and/or bitch. It's no different than owning stock in a company. When KCBS accepted my payment for my membership I went from being a customer to an investor.

Jacked UP BBQ
10-13-2010, 08:26 PM
Matt, I understand your point but don't agree. You've had some success at competition BBQ that is well earned. You've been able to reap some of the benefits from the organization. Some of the things that you may appreciate about KCBS have been made possible by the work of others that felt contributing to the organization was worthwhile. If nobody gave a flip, where would that organization be?

Beyond that, paying members have every right to voice their opinion and/or bitch. It's no different than owning stock in a company. When KCBS accepted my payment for my membership I went from being a customer to an investor.

I completely understand your point also. Just dont see the point in bitching about something you voluntarily joined and knew what it was going in. I have not been in comp bbq for 10 years but long enough to see how far it has come. But who cares, lets not agree that this gets a little out of hand IMO.:-P

Ford
10-13-2010, 09:04 PM
Good thread Mr Contemplative Moderator. A couple of answers to questions asked by others. The elected members of the BOD are not paid. They volunteer their time for meetings and committee work. To do a good job that's probably 20 hours per month especially with 5 hour meetings. They do get expenses to go to 4 meetings a year (2 are planning retreats). It usually includes the banquet meeting but I understand they still need to pay for their meal. Obviously any spouse expenses are not covered although they can share a room.

And one meeting is usually the first of the new year where all are encouraged strongly to attend. So if you run for the BOD better look up the meeting schedule and make that weekend available. They put this in back in 2005/2006 when I ran for the BOD. I know this year it could conflict with somebody's wedding in Florida if plans continue to develop. But I'm not putting in my name as a candidate so it should be fine.

Now when I said 20 hours per month that means answering emails from cranky members who think somebody cheated or the rule is wrong or the scoring system is wrong. Plus there really is committee work for some. I assume the treasurer reviews the monthly accounting done by the office and verifies all expenses are valid and that all incomes was correctly booked. I guess Secretary is even more work as a 5 hour meeting needs to be captured in the minutes.

And I totally agree with the comments on Directors being leaders and having staff led by the Executive Director do the work as instructed by the BOD. I for one can not understand why every contest is reviewed by the BOD. The office should present a report to the Director in charge and he/she should say this is a problem and here's what we need to do about it. Or they go to their committee of volunteers to get opinions. Lastly the BOD should meet every other month or every quarter. Committee chairs should be empowered. If a contractual issue comes up between meetings that can't wait then have an emergency meeting by phone to discuss the contract and only that contract. Nothing else.

Please allow me to step off my soapbox now and go to bed.

Jeff_in_KC
10-13-2010, 09:31 PM
Is there more to this than I know???

Most likely.

Are they volunteers? I have an idea, if everyone hates it so much why doesnt anyone boycot? People just like to bitch. Like BP, its the busiest gas station in my area but three months ago everyone hated them. Sometimes you just have to deal with what is dealt and if this is truly a business and you dont like how its ran, GO ELSEWHERE. Simple

Sooo... your ideas are to 1.) Boycott or 2.) Go elsewhere? Maybe some of us care about KCBS more than that. :rolleyes: Both of your ideas involve giving up or quitting. I'd prefer to have board members just like George and Guy and a couple of others mentioned... ones with some experience that will work together to solve the problems and right the ship. Sounds like a lot better plan than stupid boycotts or walking.

Rookie'48
10-13-2010, 10:16 PM
I firmly believe in the statement "If you don't vote then you have no right to bitch". I pay my dues because I think that KCBS, as a whole, is a very good thing. I also think that KCBS is not now (and probably never will be) the perfect organization. We, the dues paying members, have the right to elect representitives who will run KCBS in the best and most ethical way possible. And if they don't do so --- we have the right to replace them.

Bunny
10-13-2010, 10:20 PM
KCBS members should care about the elections. Review the past year and select very carefully those running in this next election. I also agree whole heartedly with Diva, The Slabs.com that you should be concerned who is in cahoots with now serving BOD members. It's a two-sided board butting heads making the meetings a 5+ hour session. It's gone on long enough and let's get some cookers in there to stop the bickering over insignificant details and the changing of rules every month.

Spydermike72
10-14-2010, 05:08 AM
Most likely.



Sooo... your ideas are to 1.) Boycott or 2.) Go elsewhere? Maybe some of us care about KCBS more than that. :rolleyes: Both of your ideas involve giving up or quitting. I'd prefer to have board members just like George and Guy and a couple of others mentioned... ones with some experience that will work together to solve the problems and right the ship. Sounds like a lot better plan than stupid boycotts or walking.

Running again Jeff ? We need someone like you in there.

Pigs on Fire
10-14-2010, 07:52 AM
I'm going to play typical American Voter.

I'm going to vote for who has the most signs, commercials and money.

I will NOT educate myself on who might be the best candidate, nor who is running against any incumbents. The incumbents have the best name recognition and the best experience. I will not even think about giving an outsider a chance.

Jacked UP BBQ
10-14-2010, 08:10 AM
Most likely.



Sooo... your ideas are to 1.) Boycott or 2.) Go elsewhere? Maybe some of us care about KCBS more than that. :rolleyes: Both of your ideas involve giving up or quitting. I'd prefer to have board members just like George and Guy and a couple of others mentioned... ones with some experience that will work together to solve the problems and right the ship. Sounds like a lot better plan than stupid boycotts or walking.

Explain what needs change? Are you running again or did you just give up?????

Also my idea is not to boycott or go eslewhere. That is my idea for all the crybabies who just bitch about everything.

ThomEmery
10-14-2010, 08:29 AM
I have encouraged Jeff to run
He has a young family and the time needed to do the job
well makes it a difficult choice for them

What is needed?
The end of micro management by a few BoD members
The end of folks who put themselves first
The end of bickering
The start of working together for toward a established set of goals

Slamdunkpro
10-14-2010, 09:59 AM
My BoD / BoD Candidate questionnaire



If you are running on change, what specifically needs to change? Name names, who needs to go and who needs to stay?
Do you have business relationships with any KCBS vendors or MMA?
Do you stand to profit from KCBS business?

If yes, will you recuse yourself from votes where you stand to personally gain?

List one major objective that you would achieve in your term - No platitudes please, be specific and list a quantifiable objective.
Where do you see KCBS going in 5 years?
Would you be willing to cast a vote to provide an audited financial statement for KCBS to the membership on an annual basis?
Please provide your thoughts on the following programs and their current success / shortcomings

KCBS Rep program
CBJ program
State of the KCBS education program
Current rules
TOY - both how it's calculated and prize distribution

Jorge
10-14-2010, 10:29 AM
My BoD / BoD Candidate questionnaire



If you are running on change, what specifically needs to change? Name names, who needs to go and who needs to stay?
Do you have business relationships with any KCBS vendors or MMA?
Do you stand to profit from KCBS business?

If yes, will you recuse yourself from votes where you stand to personally gain?


List one major objective that you would achieve in your term - No platitudes please, be specific and list a quantifiable objective.
Where do you see KCBS going in 5 years?
Would you be willing to cast a vote to provide an audited financial statement for KCBS to the membership on an annual basis?
Please provide your thoughts on the following programs and their current success / shortcomings

KCBS Rep program
CBJ program
State of the KCBS education program
Current rules
TOY - both how it's calculated and prize distribution





Fair questions, but I wouldn't expect any candidate to name names. Why would any candidate choose to single someone out if they could potentially end up working with them? It's bad politics, and bad business to go out of your way to intentionally promote animosity. The current board is polarized for a reason, and doesn't need any additional fuel on that fire. My .02

Slamdunkpro
10-14-2010, 10:42 AM
Fair questions, but I wouldn't expect any candidate to name names. Why would any candidate choose to single someone out if they could potentially end up working with them? It's bad politics, and bad business to go out of your way to intentionally promote animosity. The current board is polarized for a reason, and doesn't need any additional fuel on that fire. My .02

To me the problem is that you always hear rumor & innuendo - "A certain person said / did / whatever" and everyone is left guessing and wondering. If someone is doing something demonstrably inappropriate or detrimental, then the electorate deserves to know who. One of the biggest things lacking in KCBS management/leadership IMHO is public accountability.

Sawdustguy
10-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Is there more to this than I know??? Are they volunteers? I have an idea, if everyone hates it so much why doesnt anyone boycot? People just like to bitch. Like BP, its the busiest gas station in my area but three months ago everyone hated them. Sometimes you just have to deal with what is dealt and if this is truly a business and you dont like how its ran, GO ELSEWHERE. Simple...

Unfortunately for those in the Northeast it's the only game in town. It's either go to a KCBS sanctioned contest or don't compete. Since they are the one and only why not try to make things right?

Jorge
10-14-2010, 11:12 AM
To me the problem is that you always hear rumor & innuendo - "A certain person said / did / whatever" and everyone is left guessing and wondering. If someone is doing something demonstrably inappropriate or detrimental, then the electorate deserves to know who. One of the biggest things lacking in KCBS management/leadership IMHO is public accountability.

That accountability should be coming from the BoD themselves, and not from candidates. I've heard a LOT of stuff just like you have. I'm willing to bet that neither of us has the evidence in front of us. If I were a candidate, and DID NOT have evidence that was verifiable I wouldn't be slinging arrows.

bbqczar
10-14-2010, 11:56 AM
I have encouraged Jeff to run
He has a young family and the time needed to do the job
well makes it a difficult choice for them

What is needed?
The end of micro management by a few BoD members
The end of folks who put themselves first
The end of bickering
The start of working together for toward a established set of goals

Well said Thom,I agree,and I also agree with Ray that there is a problem even above the BOD as well.The "good ol boy" way of doing things behind closed doors should be stopped and when a few people can persuade most of the BOD into doing things, thats not good as well,and need to be stopped.People just say we are all just bitching and if we don't like it then quite,well PAID members have the right to question the BOD and the ENTIRE organization.I guess it would be the same if someone bitched about our goverment,and it's polocies,would everyone just say"too bad,just leave the country if you don't like it" foolish attitude to have about things.Listen in to a BOD meeting sometime and see if it doesn't more resemble Romper Room than any real organization.

Ford
10-14-2010, 12:02 PM
I have encouraged Jeff to run
He has a young family and the time needed to do the job
well makes it a difficult choice for them

What is needed?
The end of micro management by a few BoD members
The end of folks who put themselves first
The end of bickering
The start of working together for toward a established set of goals
How about national programs rather than an education program for one school in KC.

Also how about rethinking the prize money for TOY. Did anybody see the report with the dollars???? 50K could do a lot of education.

How about more accountability for the BOD and the office? Monthly financials published so members can see them? Contract details made public.

That just a few of hte things I think need to happen to get the BOD to better representthe members.

Jeff_in_KC
10-14-2010, 10:07 PM
Outside of Mike Budai, I believe ALL imcumbents should be voted out... this year, next year and possibly the year after, depending upon who is left from the current board. The reason I give Mike a break is because he has yet to actually be elected since he was appointed to complete Rod's term. It's time to simply clean house and start with a completely fresh group of people on this board.

Jeff_in_KC
10-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Explain what needs change? Are you running again or did you just give up?????

Also my idea is not to boycott or go eslewhere. That is my idea for all the crybabies who just bitch about everything.

What DOESN'T need to change is an easier and much shorter list. And no I did not "give up". I'm in the middle of trying to accomplish a goal for 2010 and I don't see how it would be fair to my wife to bail during the home stretch to concentrate on a campaign after she has worked as hard as I have for eight months to accomplish our goals. In addition, my job is hectic and my blood pressure is inching up again. Is it worth my health? Would it be worth yours?

timzcardz
10-15-2010, 08:34 AM
Matt, I understand your point but don't agree. You've had some success at competition BBQ that is well earned. You've been able to reap some of the benefits from the organization. Some of the things that you may appreciate about KCBS have been made possible by the work of others that felt contributing to the organization was worthwhile. If nobody gave a flip, where would that organization be?

Beyond that, paying members have every right to voice their opinion and/or bitch. It's no different than owning stock in a company. When KCBS accepted my payment for my membership I went from being a customer to an investor.

I firmly believe in the statement "If you don't vote then you have no right to bitch". I pay my dues because I think that KCBS, as a whole, is a very good thing. I also think that KCBS is not now (and probably never will be) the perfect organization. We, the dues paying members, have the right to elect representitives who will run KCBS in the best and most ethical way possible. And if they don't do so --- we have the right to replace them.

Well said Thom,I agree,and I also agree with Ray that there is a problem even above the BOD as well.The "good ol boy" way of doing things behind closed doors should be stopped and when a few people can persuade most of the BOD into doing things, thats not good as well,and need to be stopped.People just say we are all just bitching and if we don't like it then quite,well PAID members have the right to question the BOD and the ENTIRE organization.I guess it would be the same if someone bitched about our goverment,and it's polocies,would everyone just say"too bad,just leave the country if you don't like it" foolish attitude to have about things.Listen in to a BOD meeting sometime and see if it doesn't more resemble Romper Room than any real organization.

Not to disagreee with that if you pay dues and you have a right to question the BoD, but if you don't, doesn't the BoD still have a responsibility to you? It is not like investing in a company, because of the tax exempt status that exists there is a resposnibility to all taxpayers.

Now for those that want to complain, have you even done the most basic of homework?

Did you know that the total revenues for 2009 ($960,994) were up almost 50% over 2008 ($645,151) or that the net assets of KCBS increased by 30% during 2009(from $200,843 to $262,230)?

For reference, total revenues for 2004 were $342,261. So in 5 years, KCBS has almost tripled in size with resepct to revenues. I think that most would agree that is impressive growth, so the BoD must be doing at least something right.

In simple terms, KCBS is growing, either because of or in spite of its BoD.

As it grows it needs to think, act, and operate more like a for profit business while at the same time maintinaing and fulfilling its tax exempt purpose, at least until such time it decides to abandon that status. (The big question is who has teh best qualifications to do this.)

As a result of that, each individual dues paying member has less significance in the revenue stream, and there are other growing sources of revenue that must be maintained and nurtured and will have the BoD's ear, and teh BoD needs to be one that can be trusted to do that for the mutual benefit of all.

Now I've lost track of where I was going with this :doh: other than the right to complain isn't limited to dues paying voting members, and if you are a member and are going to complain, then at least deal in facts.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a dues paying voting member.



(FYI: Financial data presented above was taken directly from KCBS' 990 forms filed with the IRS.)

BoneDaddy's
10-15-2010, 09:07 AM
I am on a few mid-sized non-profit boards and I would say that about 98% of the time we get along well and maybe 2% of the time we have issues. That 2% is far more publicized than the 98%. Some folks will harp on a disagreement from months ago, forgetting all the good we have accomplished.

Someone asked to end of micro management, end of folks who put themselves first, end of bickering, working together, etc. I would venture that these are not the goals of the board, nor are they how the board runs, but are a small fraction of events that are not relevant to the overall running a successful program.

When I go to cook or judge at a kcbs comp my site is always clean and ready to go, the kcbs rep is happy to answer questions, the judges meeting goes smoothly, etc. What do I really have to complain about, the fact that I can't part my money muscle during cooking?

I have read 3 pages of posts and no one has cited specific examples of what they dislike about the current board. How about examples of micromanagement/bickering/putting themselves first. What has this BoD done to hurt KCBS?

Jorge
10-15-2010, 09:36 AM
I am on a few mid-sized non-profit boards and I would say that about 98% of the time we get along well and maybe 2% of the time we have issues. That 2% is far more publicized than the 98%. Some folks will harp on a disagreement from months ago, forgetting all the good we have accomplished.

Someone asked to end of micro management, end of folks who put themselves first, end of bickering, working together, etc. I would venture that these are not the goals of the board, nor are they how the board runs, but are a small fraction of events that are not relevant to the overall running a successful program.

When I go to cook or judge at a kcbs comp my site is always clean and ready to go, the kcbs rep is happy to answer questions, the judges meeting goes smoothly, etc. What do I really have to complain about, the fact that I can't part my money muscle during cooking?

I have read 3 pages of posts and no one has cited specific examples of what they dislike about the current board. How about examples of micromanagement/bickering/putting themselves first. What has this BoD done to hurt KCBS?

Have you listened to many of the meetings? I think that will suffice for evidence of bickering. Unfortunately I don't think they are archived. I'm sure there are enough members that would be willing to testify that it was ridiculous at best on far too many occasions.

As for mircromanagement it's pretty simple. Far too many issues go directly to the board because of their accessibility. If Cook A had a problem with a neighbor at a contest they shoot some email to the board, and the board ends up looking into it. What should happen is that the complaint should go to the office, where KCBS has a paid staff. The staff in turn can take the time to gather the facts, submit them and/or a recomendation and if the board has no questions there is a brief discussion and a vote if action is warranted. That's just one example.

I've served on several boards as well, and one in particular reminds me a great deal of what is going on with KCBS right now. Attrition, and member discontent led to a change over a two year period but it was unpleasant to get to the point where the board and the organization functioned smoothly and was able to really focus on what it existed for. I finished my term and ran out the door. In another case I served on a board that disbursed more in a year, in financial aid, than KCBS has ever earned in revenue. Six meetings a year and none longer than two hours, and rarely was a voice ever raised. MY experience tells me that it can go either way. MY experience also tells me that one way is more efficient and more productive than the other.

Scottie
10-15-2010, 10:05 AM
Have you listened to many of the meetings? I think that will suffice for evidence of bickering. Unfortunately I don't think they are archived. I'm sure there are enough members that would be willing to testify that it was ridiculous at best on far too many occasions.

As for mircromanagement it's pretty simple. Far too many issues go directly to the board because of their accessibility. If Cook A had a problem with a neighbor at a contest they shoot some email to the board, and the board ends up looking into it. What should happen is that the complaint should go to the office, where KCBS has a paid staff. The staff in turn can take the time to gather the facts, submit them and/or a recomendation and if the board has no questions there is a brief discussion and a vote if action is warranted. That's just one example.

I've served on several boards as well, and one in particular reminds me a great deal of what is going on with KCBS right now. Attrition, and member discontent led to a change over a two year period but it was unpleasant to get to the point where the board and the organization functioned smoothly and was able to really focus on what it existed for. I finished my term and ran out the door. In another case I served on a board that disbursed more in a year, in financial aid, than KCBS has ever earned in revenue. Six meetings a year and none longer than two hours, and rarely was a voice ever raised. MY experience tells me that it can go either way. MY experience also tells me that one way is more efficient and more productive than the other.


You keep this up... It won't just be me and Todd pushing for "El Jefe in 2011"!!!!

I'll talk with Michelle... After she gets that new Maroon thermapen... :becky:

big brother smoke
10-15-2010, 10:14 AM
I'll say this in reference to the BOD. The BOD are not what make KCBS flourish; we its membership make KCBS what it has grown to be.

Here is an analogy: Our politicians don't make this country great; the people make it great.

Now with the great membership we have, just imagine what the organization would be with a great board of directors.

Bunny
10-15-2010, 11:21 PM
I'll say this in reference to the BOD. The BOD are not what make KCBS flourish; we its membership make KCBS what it has grown to be.

Here is an analogy: Our politicians don't make this country great; the people make it great.

Now with the great membership we have, just imagine what the organization would be with a great board of directors.

Wow! I like you, dude! :-D I like the attitude and the truth that you tell. I have served on the BOD for six years and tried to get that same attitude across. There are people on that BOD that understand your philosophy that the membership matters. There are a lot of members on the BOD who don't understand this at all!

So I'm writing this to ask each member to VOTE. It matters. Know your candidates.

Plowboy
10-18-2010, 12:05 AM
You keep this up... It won't just be me and Todd pushing for "El Jefe in 2011"!!!!

I'll talk with Michelle... After she gets that new Maroon thermapen... :becky:

Must... resist... must... resist...


















El Jefe in 2011

I couldn't resist. :pray:

Jeff_in_KC
10-18-2010, 12:52 AM
It's really simple and it seems the current board just doesn't get it! Jorge asked what the role of the KCBS Board should be and after thinking about it, here's my thoughts:

I can think of five functions off the top of my head:

1. To continually look for ways to improve the membership experience for ALL members cooks, judges, organizers, reps and anyone else who gives their hard-earned money to KCBS. Examples: For cooks, this means a solid set of rules with ridiculous and petty items removed and working towards more consistent judging. It means allowing for the ability to track ANY team's results and ranking on the KCBS site with the best technology possible, not just the top 25. For judges, it means caring enough to keep them updated with the latest info and opportunities for continuing education. For organizers, better info packets and resources to help them achieve success and maybe a forum on the KCBS site where organizers can discuss issues amongst themselves similar to what we have here. For Reps, it means making sure they have all of the tools and training to do their jobs effectively INCLUDING a new software system for scoring that will immediately upload results to the KCBS site and update rankings. For everyone, it means continual new discounts and freebies for items and services we all want and can actually use.

2. Promote the organization and its mission statement. I wonder how many of the current board members can recite the KCBS mission statement word for word. I wonder how many of them have even an idea of how to paraphrase it. Here it is: "To celebrate, teach, preserve, and promote barbeque as a culinary technique, sport and art form. We want barbeque to be recognized as America's Cuisine." You've read the minutes and listened to the meetings both on the phone or mp3. Is what you hear each month supporting of this mission statement?

3. Support the office staff - this does not mean tell them on what brand of tissue they may wipe their noses or what type of light bulbs must go in the fixtures in the office. They have put quality people in those positions who CARE about barbecue and the members of KCBS. How about we let them do their day-to-day jobs and support them when they ask for support. Otherwise, the board should spend their time looking at the big picture and how we remain a solid organization into the future.

4. Lead by example - As cooks, when we talk about our culture to outsiders, we almost always, at some point in the conversation, make a comment like "Barbecue people are the best. Even though we compete against each other every weekend, we will help out a fellow competitor in need and we spend many hours enjoying our comaraderie at potluck dinners and so forth..." The Board does not operate in such a fashion. We all know this. The leaders of the organization should reflect the values and attitudes of its members. Their actions should reflect what we, as members believe is the correct way to act as a part of the barbecue community. If not, as Jorge suggested, there should be a code of conduct put in place with consequences for violating the code. Don't make rules of conduct for teams and say they can be punished for their behavior at contests when behavior at board meetings can be and has gotten embarrassing at times.

5. Have a vision for the future of KCBS - Where are we going? How will we get there? What will this organization look like is 10 years? 20 years? You can decide you want to go to some location but unless you've been there before, you're going to have to look at a map to determine the roads to take to get you to where you want to go. And if you have no idea where you want to go, looking at a maze of lines on a map will do you no good. In many ways, the board operates like they're studying a map with no destination in mind. We need a five year plan, a ten year plan and a 20 year plan. Those are our destinations. I don't recall KCBS ever telling us what our plans and goals are beyond a year or so. Without such goals (destinations), how do we know what roads to take (paths of action)? Since we got involved with MMA Marketing, things have improved greatly. It's no secret to many that I was not a fan of them or Mike McCloud in the beginning. But I have seen the work they have done and have talked with Mike quite a bit in the last year-plus. Ultimately, when the contract comes up for renewal, it must be renewed. I believe Mike has the best interests of the organization at heart and his company has had some outstanding ideas that we have put into place. Mike has a vision for KCBS and we need that kind of input and contribution. In addition to this, the board must look for other opportunities for growth and most importantly, how to accomodate such growth. With larger and larger membership, the demands will grow and the same old, same old won't work. And what about our kids in barbecue? I know many kids, my own included, really look forward to Kids Q events. I also know that the 5 to 10 year old age group most times has large numbers competing and the 11 to 15 year old group drops off to where sometimes we see only a couple entries at a contest. Why is this? Could KCBS be doing more to promote the kids, who are, as you hear at every awards ceremony with a kids Q, "the future of barbecue". If you're looking towards the future of barbecue, let's spend some time, money and work getting the young ones who compete with their families more interested with programs, more formal events, bigger prizes, scholarships, educational programs and fun things to do. Make Kids Q something more than just an afterthought.

OK, it's almost 1 am and this has gotten way longer than I intended when I first sat down to address Jorge's thought. Time to hit the sack. But these types of ideas are what I'll look for in a candidate myself.

Bunny
10-18-2010, 10:52 AM
Jeff Stith for BOD! Jorge, you might as well, too.:-D

Jorge
10-18-2010, 11:02 AM
Jeff Stith for BOD! Jorge, you might as well, too.:-D

You need to pass whatever you, Scottie, and Todd have been smoking. It must be some good stuff!:-P

Scottie
10-18-2010, 11:25 AM
You need to pass whatever you, Scottie, and Todd have been smoking. It must be some good stuff!:-P



Carl Spackler (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/name/nm0000195/): This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.




El Jefe in 2011!!!!

Plowboy
10-18-2010, 09:03 PM
Jeff Stith for BOD! Jorge, you might as well, too.:-D

el Jefe and el Jeffy in 2011.