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Lake Dogs
08-03-2010, 05:58 PM
A quick story about a fairly famous competitor at a fairly well known
competition and a lesson in how NOT to behave:

First, this particular competition is capped at 45 professional teams. The
top 12-15 teams are made up of a who's-who of nationally recognized
competitors, many of them former national champions at either MIM,
The Jack, or The Royal. The next tier of 12 to 15 teams are very
consistent competitors that do 10 to 20 comps each year with numerous
GC's in each one of their histories. It's a tough field. That's part of
the fun of it.

Anyway, one of the competitors who has had a wonderful past at this
particular competition always gets a prime spot, if not THE prime spot,
and always takes up the space of 2 other teams. He's been a regular
celebrity of sorts here (no, it's not Myron Mixon, and I will keep the
name to myself).

Well, for the first time that I ever recollect, this particular outing this
particular competitor didn't make finals in any category.

BTW, Jack's Old South over the years has been *blanked* more than
a time or two, and never acted like this. For that matter, many other
nationally ranked/known teams have been blanked, and none ever
behaved like this:

Anyway, rather than being a great competitor and attending the
awards ceremony and cheering his competitors on in their success, this
particular guy packed up his tremendous site and began to drive his
truck through the crowd. He actually bumped a few crowd attendees
with his truck. The police were brought in and it was all they could
do to not arrest this guy. They did detain him. They held him until
the agreed time when all the competitors were allowed to pack up.
Honestly, the way he was acting, I'm surprised he didnt get charged
with multiple accounts of assault.

BTW, as I understand it, he and his team, historically the premier team
at this event (yes, even above Jack's Old South), will not be asked to
come back. I'm not certain, but I think the town will do everything it
can to prevent him from returning (and still keep the competition
sanctioned).

This is how NOT to take a loss.

Lets face it, we all have good days, we all have our off days. Many times
it has more to do with which table your entry lands on and what other
entries are on that same table.

You'd think a guy who's been competing for 10 years and on the national
scale for 6+ years would get this. Perhaps he just had a REALLY bad day.
However, running over people in the crowd isn't how to act. Snubbing
your fellow competitors like this isn't how to act.

Sadly, this guy and his team were way up there on my aspire-to list. No
longer. I've had great days, and I've been darned near DAL. I've always
taken both with a smile and congrats to the winners and a thanks when
it's been us. Frankly, I'm also very disappointed. I was really looking
forward to the next competition to be able to compete against them. It
looks like that's not going to happen. Oh well, guess we'll just have to
beat the Boy's In Black (Jack's Old South).
:-D

WineMaster
08-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Who was it??

motoeric
08-03-2010, 06:21 PM
Wow, that is screwed up.

It doesn't sound so much like a poor loser as a safety hazard.

If you were involved with the running of the event, do you know if this person was reported to the reps?

Was this a KCBS event? Maybe there will be a suspension coming down.

I hope that no one was hurt.

Eric

deguerre
08-03-2010, 06:22 PM
:tsk:

BBQ Grail
08-03-2010, 06:24 PM
Some guy at some competition...

getyourrubonbbq
08-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Which comp was it at?

Paulmark
08-03-2010, 07:51 PM
I might be inclined to give the benifit of the doubt. Maybe there was more to it than met the eye.:confused: If not,,,fark him and the truck he rode in on:boxing:.

Rub
08-03-2010, 08:05 PM
I've seen similar acts by both the "famous" and non "famous" and it's never pretty. Fortuantely it does not happen too often, but once is too much. Hopefully the MBN folks will handle it as needed.

ChicagoSizzlin
08-03-2010, 08:11 PM
I dont care who it was they will be dealt with accordingly it sounds like. To endanger people's lives is down right horrific. Sounds like this guy needs to take a break and get some issue's resolved. Good to hear that no one ended up hurt cause it could of drastically turned for the worse.

SmokeInDaEye
08-03-2010, 09:27 PM
I wasn't there so hate to speak out of turn but according to that report this person is a loser despite what any GCs might say. Get a grip on reality and if you need to win that bad, I buy you a f'in trophy.

CivilWarBBQ
08-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Naw. I myself make it a point to go all Kanye West at every awards ceremony, knocking the GC winner out of the way and grabbing the mic so I can rant about how my secret p-nut butter injection made the best brisket of all time.

OK, Im'a let you finish. :icon_smile_tongue:

Lake Dogs
08-04-2010, 07:19 AM
Metoeric (Eric), Was an MBN comp and yes the reps were there. Dont know about
any suspension, but I dont think so (looking at the teams subsequent results at
other contests). Luckily the cops were very close and got involved about the time
anyone realized that anything was wrong. They prevented it from getting BAD.

It was just sad really, and honestly I'm very disappointed in this person. Acting
like that has NO place in ANY competition. The crowd was pretty large (by most
competition standards), that's why they have a "cant pack up until 6pm" thing
in the competition specific rules. Even then they let the competitors out the
"back door" because the event goes until 2 or 3am with literally THOUSANDS of
people attending.

Nobody was hurt, just a few very startled folks and perhaps a very small bruise
on the one guys arm. The competitor (and I will not list his name) probably had
more bruises from the cops having to hold him. It's like this guy was having
an out-of-body bad experience or something. Normally I'd chalk this up to drinking,
but I honestly dont think this guy drinks. Maybe that's the problem; too pent up...

And, Grail (Larry), I dont think he makes it to California. Was an MBN comp here
in Georgia. To name a name would be to run this guy down. There's no reason
for that, same as there is no reason for this type of behavior to have happened
in the first place. More than anything I'm listing this to let the newer competitors
that this isn't acceptable behavior, and that on any given day you can do great,
and you can do not-so-great, and to not let it get the best of 'ya. Please, none
of the no-pics-didnt-happen. It did. I'm sure, as Rub said, it happens more than
we'd like to think, and by competitors who should know better, too.

Sadly, like I said, he was almost revered around here. From what I understand, that's
completely gone. In talking with the organizer yesterday, they're not asking him back.
It's unlikely he'll want to come back, but as it's sanctioned, unless he misses the 45
team cut, they'll probably have to let him back in if he signs up. In talking with one
of his team members this morning, he hasn't signed up yet and hasn't mentioned it
one way or the other. Something tells me he's going to be put in that faaaaar back
spot all by his little lonesome, right next to the back door, rather than up front in
grand central. His team mates will suffer a little as a result too. They're no longer
"the team". MBN = pretty large teams. Ours has 4 primary cooks, plus 2 or 3 others on ancillaries and another 2 or 3 to help out, and we're a fairly small team.

The only reason I mentioned Myron or his team is that after BBQ PitMasters it would
be possible that someone would think it was him, and it wasn't him at all. While he
sure likes his fancy words, when he's been here (his team is usually here, but
sometimes [like probably this year] he's at another comp) he's always nice and if he
doesn't make finals he's always cheered on his fellow competitors.

I'd rather not mention the comp, but I'm sure there's more than one person here in
Brethren that knows which one I'm referencing. This could happen at most
any comp, and I wouldn't want it to be a reflection of either the comp, venue, and
certainly not the organizer. They put on one helluva show!

Scottie
08-04-2010, 10:40 AM
I saw a certain team leaving the DC contest all red assed and before the awards were over.... I won't say who, as I don't want to give his television career a black eye... But some folks need to get a grip. No one and I mean no one in BBQ should "expect" to win... Especially in the dog and pony show of MBN or MIM...

Probably why they call them AWARDS and not REWARDS....

mgwerks
08-04-2010, 11:09 AM
...the dog and pony show of MBN or MIM...

'nuff said.

DawgPhan
08-04-2010, 12:25 PM
Either put the guy on blast or keep it to yourself. This sort of post is tacky and childish at best. Typically the "you know who did you know what you know where" posts are reserved for Basso's board.

Lake Dogs
08-04-2010, 02:04 PM
Wasnt intended that way, and as brethren tends to be KCBS centric, I doubt 80% of
the competitors even know this guy. You actually might, being a Ga guy, but that's
neither here nor there, because:

Restated:
> More than anything I'm listing this to let the newer competitors
that this isn't acceptable behavior, and that on any given day you can do great,
and you can do not-so-great, and to not let it get the best of 'ya. Please, none
of the no-pics-didnt-happen. It did. I'm sure, as Rub said, it happens more than
we'd like to think, and by competitors who should know better, too.

Sorry, I dont "do" Basso's, and I have no idea what "put the guy on blast" is.

Podge
08-04-2010, 02:22 PM
there's been more than once I wanted to "spit gravel" after a competition, but I just bury the pain way, way deep deep down inside and drink until that pain goes away.. :crazy:

Sledneck
08-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Wasnt intended that way, and as brethren tends to be KCBS centric, I doubt 80% of
the competitors even know this guy. You actually might, being a Ga guy, but that's
neither here nor there, because:

Restated:
> More than anything I'm listing this to let the newer competitors
that this isn't acceptable behavior, and that on any given day you can do great,
and you can do not-so-great, and to not let it get the best of 'ya. Please, none
of the no-pics-didnt-happen. It did. I'm sure, as Rub said, it happens more than
we'd like to think, and by competitors who should know better, too.

Sorry, I dont "do" Basso's, and I have no idea what "put the guy on blast" is.
I dont think it was tacky or out of line. I appreciate you not adding details and not making it a gossip item. Its a nice PSA to bbq teams. I would like to add a "how not to behave" item to bbq forums. DOnt go a bragging about accomplishments, that is tacky. If you get congratulated or mentioned it is very nice to gracefully say a thank you, not make your own thread basically bragging

Scottie
08-04-2010, 03:28 PM
there's been more than once I wanted to "spit gravel" after a competition, but I just bury the pain way, way deep deep down inside and drink until that pain goes away.. :crazy:


Up North.. We just get drunk before awards... Takes away the sting ahead of time.. Then we throw gravel... :shock:

Icetech
08-04-2010, 03:57 PM
Sounds like fiction without any names...

Lake Dogs
08-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Sounds like fiction without any names...

Naming a name doesnt make it fiction or non-fiction. I'm either telling a lie
(as you posted above), or I'm not. A name applied doesn't change it one
way or another.

Plus, that's not the point at all. It was intended as a type of PSA. If that's
missed in the message, then it is, and I suppose that's that.


I hope the newer competitors understand that while competing is fun and
to be enjoyed, it should be enjoyed every day, win or lose, good outing or bad.
And good sportsmanship never goes out of style.

watertowerbbq
08-04-2010, 05:38 PM
I think you would have gotten your message across more if you didn't go on and on about how this was an elite team, with a revered head cook and a mysterious event and all of the other details which appear to only really be added to titillate.

The message could have been made by saying that recently you were at a competition and one of the competitors was really upset about not finishing well and then became a jerk and did the following.......You could then have gone on to say that it was boorish behavior and that it really shouldn't be allowed and it's not something that should be imitated.

It's the same message without all of the extra fluff which in the end appears to cloud your original intent.

My $0.02.

Lake Dogs
08-04-2010, 05:46 PM
Matt, thanks, and point well made and taken. I did go on and on. I was trying to
say/show that this individual had worked hard for many years and earned his elite
status, and in 1 fail swoop that's gone, at least at that 1 particular comp. I probably
should've said that much like I did ^^^ rather than going on and on and adding
the appearance of titillation.

JayAre
08-04-2010, 06:01 PM
I dont think it really matters who it is,or their "status level" when someone puts other people in danger its plain farked up...

Yazoo's
08-04-2010, 08:53 PM
'nuff said.


Seriously? The whole dog and pony show thing again? I know its more complicated than doing a blind box, but if you think its just about talking a good game you've got another thing coming.

Just Smokin' Around
08-04-2010, 10:06 PM
Seriously? The whole dog and pony show thing again? I know its more complicated than doing a blind box, but if you think its just about talking a good game you've got another thing coming.

Pete's right, you need a good product too. I saw them sweep the MIM comp in DC this year and beat out JOS who has won the 4 previous years. That doesn't happen without good BBQ. But, it helps to have a good story and set-up too. It's all a matter of what you like doing.

bdodd444
08-05-2010, 07:06 AM
Pete's right, you need a good product too. I saw them sweep the MIM comp in DC this year and beat out JOS who has won the 4 previous years. That doesn't happen without good BBQ. But, it helps to have a good story and set-up too. It's all a matter of what you like doing.

Having only observed MBN in DC this year, it seems to me that it would be easier to take a loss personally than in KCBS. I have a lot of respect for MBN, but I think the anonymity of KCBS makes losses less personal. As far as advice to new teams- you should already know not to be a jerk and drive your truck through a crowd. Good discussion though.

markpmc
08-05-2010, 07:46 AM
as brethren tends to be KCBS centric


Since I'm turning pro in MBN soon, are their any MBN centric boards out there? I've looked and can't find any.

Mark

Scottie
08-05-2010, 07:51 AM
Seriously? The whole dog and pony show thing again? I know its more complicated than doing a blind box, but if you think its just about talking a good game you've got another thing coming.


My bad. Didn't mean to be offensive, just my experience. In no way was I trying to put down what you guys do. No disrespect intended.

Scottie

Lake Dogs
08-05-2010, 08:41 AM
Since I'm turning pro in MBN soon, are their any MBN centric boards out there? I've looked and can't find any.

Mark

That's a great question, and if you find one, please let me know also.

Otherwise, for general BBQ and competition questions and answers,
it's going to be tough to beat brethren, no matter what it is....

Yazoo's
08-05-2010, 10:04 AM
If your only experience is DC I can certainly understand not caring for MIM style. While we had a great trip up there this year, it is not a well run contest (no offense to the organizers, it is a logistical nightmare I'm sure). There is a definite difference in the style of meat as well, and other skillsets come into play- ability to cook larger quantities, holding meat etc. To us it is more challenging and fun, especially when you make finals. It is more personal, which is why we love it- gets the adrenaline going.
All that being said we love KCBS too, it's just different, but a LOT less work and expense. We are going to do a MBN heavy schedule the rest of this year (try to get that TOY again) and go KCBS heavy next yr.

Lake Dogs
08-05-2010, 10:56 AM
Knock 'em dead Pete!!! I really enjoy the on-site, its a love / hate relationship. Not
only do you have to show, but show CLEANLY. Easy to put together a blind box while
being a sweaty mess and go on to the next. Can't do that in MIM/MBN. Maybe we'll
catch you guys at Big Pig Jig or Jackson GA this year.

Oh, regarding Big Pig, bring ant killer. Lots and lots of it.

matthew burt
08-05-2010, 12:42 PM
Knock 'em dead Pete!!! I really enjoy the on-site, its a love / hate relationship. Not
only do you have to show, but show CLEANLY. Easy to put together a blind box while
being a sweaty mess and go on to the next. Can't do that in MIM/MBN. Maybe we'll
catch you guys at Big Pig Jig or Jackson GA this year.

Oh, regarding Big Pig, bring ant killer. Lots and lots of it.

KCBS is also cooking 4 categories, not just Pork. I dont think one is easier than the other, I just think it depends what you prefer.

JD McGee
08-05-2010, 06:48 PM
It will come back to haunt him in the end...people tend to remember who shakes their hand after a win...being a poor sport is not a good way to win fans...or friends...:cool:

Bentley
08-05-2010, 09:22 PM
Don't know the person involved...All I know is I used to drink a lot at competitions, hell, I drank a lot everywhere...not saying he did. I am sure glad I was given a second chance to make up for some of my indiscrestions...some people took me back and embraced my change, others to this day have not and I have not had a drop in over 4 years...I can understand that, I was a Richard head...Hope he gets a second chance, hope even more he lives up to it and deserves it.

Jorge
08-06-2010, 10:05 AM
Mod Note: Several posts have been deleted, at least temporarily. Accusations were made, personal information was posted and at this time we have no way to verify it.

Until I'm able to get some answers, I'd appreciate it if posts similar to that did not appear again. If you posted something containing an accusation or personal information about someone else, you can expect a PM from me to gather more information. Once we have the information we will determine whether or not the posts need to be restored.

Thanks for your patience and understanding while we look into this.

Lake Dogs
08-06-2010, 10:14 AM
Jorge, I just PM'd you. Call me, I dont mind.

Jorge
08-06-2010, 11:34 AM
Mod Note: After checking with Lake Dogs, the name mentioned was not the person he was referring to. Additional information indicates that this may have been a joke amongst friends.

Personally, I'm not laughing. Posting something that close friends may understand as a joke, that borders on slander/libel is not acceptable here. The calls, PMs, and email I dealt with this morning indicate that more than one person took the joke as gospel.

Not cool, not acceptable, period.

In the future, anyone posting information that could possibly be considered slanderous or libelous better have evidence ready to present, and be willing to stand behind it in public.

goodbuddiesbbq
08-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Just so everybody knows, this person was not Rob Bagby. For all of you that know him, you know he is one of the greatest people cooking. We mess with Rub from time to time to keep him young, but he was on vacation and couldn't tell me to go play in traffic.

We have no idea who this person was and Rub has never competed MBN that we know of.

DON'T SEND RUB HATE MAIL...IT WASN'T HIM.

Jorge
08-07-2010, 11:28 AM
Mod Note: Folks, I just did some additional cleanup and I'd appreciate it if I didn't have to do any more this weekend. Sorting this out as quickly as possible, for obvious reasons, ate up 1 1/2 hours of my work day. I work for myself so I have the flexibility, but that time has to be made up at some point in order for me to meet deadlines.

What's been done, is done. The member responsible, for what I DO believe was a joke, stepped up and cleared the record. I've left their post up to make it clear that they have stepped up and taken responsibility. It wasn't left so that everyone could take a shot as they twist in the proverbial wind.

Myself and other moderators WILL enforce the rules to all subsequent posts. This thread should be considered a ZERO TOLERANCE zone. If you have something of value to add to the original topic then please feel free. If you have any commentary to offer about the issue/joke that sidetracked this thread for a day please save it for another time and place.

Thank you in advance for your help!

Kit R
08-07-2010, 10:27 PM
I saw a certain team leaving the DC contest all red assed and before the awards were over.... I won't say who, as I don't want to give his television career a black eye... But some folks need to get a grip. No one and I mean no one in BBQ should "expect" to win... Especially in the dog and pony show of MBN or MIM...

Probably why they call them AWARDS and not REWARDS....

Yep I saw him too. He was sitting on the golf cart.

Just Smokin' Around
08-08-2010, 03:33 PM
I saw a certain team leaving the DC contest all red assed and before the awards were over.... I won't say who, as I don't want to give his television career a black eye... But some folks need to get a grip. No one and I mean no one in BBQ should "expect" to win... Especially in the dog and pony show of MBN or MIM...

Probably why they call them AWARDS and not REWARDS....

Scottie, I was around the corner on 12th, but, DC is a jail break at the end and folks try and at least get their rigs out or near the exit as soon as they can. Otherwise, you could be stuck for a long while. You saw the mess getting in and I'm sure getting out was no picnic either from where you were - Penna. Ave is a mess. I wouldn't read too much into the DC contest, but, you were closer to the situation than I was. Just saying ...

Scottie
08-08-2010, 08:08 PM
Yeah, this was t about pulling out a rig. This was about poor sportsmanship by someone that should know and act better. And for what it's worth.. I had no problems getting my rig out from that end.


Scottie, I was around the corner on 12th, but, DC is a jail break at the end and folks try and at least get their rigs out or near the exit as soon as they can. Otherwise, you could be stuck for a long while. You saw the mess getting in and I'm sure getting out was no picnic either from where you were - Penna. Ave is a mess. I wouldn't read too much into the DC contest, but, you were closer to the situation than I was. Just saying ...

Just Smokin' Around
08-08-2010, 09:16 PM
Yeah, this was t about pulling out a rig. This was about poor sportsmanship by someone that should know and act better. And for what it's worth.. I had no problems getting my rig out from that end.

Like I said, you were closer to the sitiuation than I was and I trust your judgement. Just thought I would throw that out there. Glad you had no problemns getting out. 2 years ago, we barely made it out after awards because they started tearing down the stages across from us and started taking up the whole street. We had to ask them to give us 10 minutes.

Kit R
08-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Like I said, you were closer to the sitiuation than I was and I trust your judgement. Just thought I would throw that out there. Glad you had no problemns getting out. 2 years ago, we barely made it out after awards because they started tearing down the stages across from us and started taking up the whole street. We had to ask them to give us 10 minutes.


We got out OK without any difficulty on Sunday from 12th St. Getting in was a different story, however. The frustrating thing was that I could see our slot about 100' from where we were sitting first in line at the access point as we waited for almost two hours as vendors and other "big rigs" were sent ahead of us. In spite of that, I was polite to the organizers and didn't yell or complain. Others behind me not only complained to the organizers but started in on ME because I didn't just roll in and set up. I can't (and won't) blame the organizers for the bottleneck because it's not their fault. That's more a DC traffic and access issue. But it doesn't make matters any better when we competitors berate the organizers or advocate taking matters into our own hands. Bottom line, I think the organizers did about as good a job as they could within the logistical restrictions of the venue. And you better believe I'm bringing my trailer next year so I can get in with the "big rig" crowd. :laugh: