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spicewine
06-08-2010, 12:06 PM
I had a customer who shall remain nameless ( rhymes with Robert Morphew ) who stiffed me on a Large Spicewine cooker. He bounced a check on me and never made good on it. Needless to say, Spicewine Ironworks does not except checks now. If any of you Indianan's have the opportunity to see Robert at a contest, please let him know that I have not forgotten about him and I hope he chokes on the BBQ cooked on the stolen cooker.:mad2:

INmitch
06-08-2010, 12:13 PM
And what part of IN would this nameless bum um I mean person be from.:mad:

Westexbbq
06-08-2010, 12:32 PM
I would venture a good guess that Mr. Morphew will seriously regret his transgression and not be very happy with any and all reactions when he shows his sorry face publicly where BBQ is featured in any way.
Hopefully the right thing will be done in due time.

big brother smoke
06-08-2010, 12:47 PM
His arse should be charged for a felony! Turn his arse in to the police, Spice!

WineMaster
06-08-2010, 01:00 PM
Not the smartest cat in the world. I would have had you make one of them sweet battle wagons if I was gonna stiff ya. Im with BBS turn his ass in!!!!!!!

bbqbull
06-08-2010, 01:02 PM
Description like size and color?

Jacked UP BBQ
06-08-2010, 01:50 PM
Let's beat his farking arse. Big poosie!

pahutchens
06-08-2010, 01:52 PM
Lets do a repo man on him

RobKC
06-08-2010, 01:53 PM
3 of them in Kokomo.

That reminds me, I haven't been to The Hiphugger in 2 or 3 years.

BruceB
06-08-2010, 01:55 PM
Somebody get a rope...

deguerre
06-08-2010, 02:02 PM
Have him prosecuted. That's not theft, it's fraud.

spicewine
06-08-2010, 02:30 PM
It is a large Spicewine silver in color. I know he does contests because he did one here in town when he came to pick it up. I gave up on the police. They were very reluctant to help. I would prefer him to have a Brethren Atomic Wedgie!!

INmitch
06-08-2010, 02:47 PM
3 of them in Kokomo.

That reminds me, I haven't been to The Hiphugger in 2 or 3 years.

Aahhh!! the Hiphugger:clap2: it's a national treasure. Haven't been there since last year after a golf outing in Kokomo. I'll meet ya there.:becky:

spicewine
06-08-2010, 03:14 PM
If any of you find the cooker, you can have it. I would rather give it to an honest Brother than have it stay with a thief. Oh and don't forget the Atomic Wedgie!!

1FUNVET
06-08-2010, 03:24 PM
Hope he shows up down here. I would gladly liberate the Spicewine and feed his sorry ass to the gators.:heh:

Vince RnQ
06-08-2010, 03:27 PM
I gave up on the police. They were very reluctant to help. I would prefer him to have a Brethren Atomic Wedgie!!

Please forgive my ignorance but how could the police be "reluctant to help"? You have a bounced check for an item he purchased. You know who the individual is and must have contact information considering that he gave you a check. Most people would call that some kind of fraud.

Jorge
06-08-2010, 03:28 PM
It is a large Spicewine silver in color. I know he does contests because he did one here in town when he came to pick it up. I gave up on the police. They were very reluctant to help. I would prefer him to have a Brethren Atomic Wedgie!!

Call me:becky:

INmitch
06-08-2010, 03:38 PM
I really would like to know what town or city he's from.:evil: If you don't want to post it pm me.

Arlin_MacRae
06-08-2010, 03:55 PM
Call me:becky:

The one-man posse is on the trail. :cool:

Tweedle
06-08-2010, 04:06 PM
Here ( NH) the police don't do anything for a bounced check unless its over 500 AND more than one in a 12 month period. We are currently sueing people for bouncing checks at my store, it takes forever and has cost us more than the check was worth. In the end we get a ruling for the check plus court costs, but if they don't pay we have to start all over again... The first one we took to court was bounced over two years ago and still in the courts...... I know how you feel. String him up. Or better yet have the brethren repo his spicewine at a contest....

spicewine
06-08-2010, 04:29 PM
That's just it. When 2 differnt States are involved, the autorities say it's each others problem. ( Don't want to do the paper work Mod. ) I would end up paying more in Lawyer and recovery fees than the cooker is worth. Now a cooker does not leave the parking lot untill it is paid in full.

ModelMaker
06-08-2010, 04:29 PM
Spice,
If your serious about wanting some help in one way or another I think you need to post every bit of info about this you can gather.
Names,adresses from the check, descriptions of the guy and his vehicle, anything that might help in locating your property. Your are a victim of theft, do not let it slide.
If somebody sees this guy call the local police and insist he be charged and the property returned.
And just remeber this if you take that smoker you sre stealing from him according to the law.
Ed

indianagriller
06-08-2010, 05:30 PM
If you dont mind PM me as well, i work in law enforcment in south central IN and may be able to help you.

Jeff_in_KC
06-08-2010, 06:10 PM
That's BULLCHIT!!! I wish I lived out that way! I'd go hunting for the bastard! And Ed, if I found it, I wouldn't be too concerned about the supposed stealing. No prosecutor in the country would take that case as long as it was being delivered back to the owner!

Rich Parker
06-08-2010, 06:19 PM
If any of you find the cooker, you can have it. I would rather give it to an honest Brother than have it stay with a thief. Oh and don't forget the Atomic Wedgie!!

Thats worth the drive.

Bubba - Do you want to go hunting? :heh:

Edit: Was he a big dude about 6'2"? Talk about pit bulls? I am doing a little preliminary work.

Willie's BBQ
06-08-2010, 06:35 PM
that deserves a southern beat down.....wish i lived closer.. i know some people that would do do some things for a 12 pack :tape::cool::twisted:

txschutte
06-08-2010, 06:36 PM
This is farkin ridiculous! Just pisses meoff when thieves get to hide behind red tape when it deals with checks. They should be outlawed. Look in yourlocal newspaper blotter and see how many people get goods or services with a bad check. Don't talk about convenience, either. They make VISA Debit cards. They are much easier to deal with. I am with you, Jay. NO CHECKS!!

MattCom
06-08-2010, 07:24 PM
A wedgie might not be enough, a nice jab to throat is what I'm think about. Thieving dirtbag! Good luck!

jtphillips
06-08-2010, 09:18 PM
Spice, did you say he lives in Kokomo, IN? I only live about thirty minutes from there and go through there quite often...

thillin
06-08-2010, 09:31 PM
Not sure, but since it's business across state lines, wouldn't it be a federal issue? Hope you get the cash or smoker back Jay.

thillin
06-08-2010, 09:34 PM
BTW, I get a phone number when I google his name and Indiana.

INmitch
06-08-2010, 10:49 PM
It's been 8 hrs. (WHERE'S HE LIVE!) If you really want something done let me know?? If you want your smoker back or the $ let me know?..............It'll happen. Notice no cutsie icons involved. Pisses me off!!

Jeff_in_KC
06-08-2010, 10:57 PM
A wedgie might not be enough, a nice jab to throat is what I'm think about. Thieving dirtbag! Good luck!

...with a steak knife! :mad:

armor
06-09-2010, 05:17 AM
Being self employed myself nothing, and I mean nothing gripes my arse more than people trying to stiff me for the money or even taking their good time in paying after I bust my butt to get the job done. Get your money. Just do it right so you don't end up in trouble.

shaneholz
06-09-2010, 05:34 AM
Thats worth the drive.

Bubba - Do you want to go hunting? :heh:

Edit: Was he a big dude about 6'2"? Talk about pit bulls? I am doing a little preliminary work.


I'll go with you Rich.........I need some excitement!

Lippy
06-09-2010, 05:54 AM
If any of you find the cooker, you can have it. I would rather give it to an honest Brother than have it stay with a thief. Oh and don't forget the Atomic Wedgie!!

Will be doing or going to 5 contests in southern IN this summer will keep an eye out. That large will look real good next to the small one and old dudes HEAD.:rip:

timzcardz
06-09-2010, 07:16 AM
Although this is a situation involving a friend and our passion for the hobby, and one that we all have storng feelings about, I would caution against anyone making statements here indicating a willingness to do harm, bodily or otherwise, to a specific individual, lest you become a suspect should something actually happen to said individual.

Divemaster
06-09-2010, 08:12 AM
With any luck he'll show up at Shannon... Could prove to be an interesting weekend....

BTW, you said he competes... Could you give us a hint as to the team name?

WineMaster
06-09-2010, 10:05 AM
If he is any good at cooking, It would be funny to get the KCBS involved and at the awards have him hear he got DQ,d for cooking on a stolen smoker. That would be priceless and a great way to define Karma.

Dan

spicewine
06-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Look. I'm not wanting anyone to get in trouble, but I do want the BBQ community to know about this guy and give him the Stink Eye if they ever see him. His own Bad Karma will be his down fall. If enough people know about this, maybe he will be shamed into contacting me.

Bigdog
06-09-2010, 10:15 AM
Look. I'm not wanting anyone to get in trouble, but I do want the BBQ community to know about this guy and give him the Stink Eye if they ever see him. His own Bad Karma will be his down fall. If enough people know about this, maybe he will be shamed into contacting me.

How about printing up a one pager with the facts of the case, and then have someone walk around a contest that the dude is at and hand one out to everyone there, even the public. Shame into doing the right thing.

Dustaway
06-09-2010, 10:16 AM
put up a billboard in his home town telling everyone not to take checks from this guy.

What a douche bag

MattCom
06-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Ahhh... thanks Tim... I think.
Mountain from mole hill mod.

Jorge
06-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Mod Note: Folks here is the deal...Jay has laid out the info. Commentary is fine, as long as there is no talk of violence or any other illegal activity. Additionally, any post containing personal information about the alleged thief will be deleted immediately!

Personally, I think the guy is a worthless piece of crap. Personally, if I had enough info I'd be more than happy to track the guy down and have some friends recover the stolen property. That being said, I'm not willing to take a chance on making some innocent guy with the same or similar name go through hell if he has done nothing wrong.

ModelMaker
06-09-2010, 01:53 PM
I'm not positive about the legalitys in any particular state, but I believe that if you are a recognized agent of Spicewine Metal Works you might have authority to reposess said cooker with proper ID (serial No.). With or without meat.....
I would check it out pre-repossesion.
Ed
P.S. Wouldn't that be priceless seeing his cooker full of meat being loaded on a trailer in the middle of a contest under the watchful eye of the local Sherriffs deputy.

Hoss
06-09-2010, 11:51 PM
WAYYYY BELOW WORTHLESS:mad::mad::mad:.I'll keep an eye out down here!If I see him,do you want the WHOLE carcass or just the head???!!!:boxing:

chopshop
06-10-2010, 12:31 AM
dude do you really want to start going through law books? you cant go anywhere and repo anything. I dont know where you live but around here the sheriff would laugh at you. imagine that " hello sheriff i need you to come with me to repo a smoker" dont post nothing for keyboard tough guys to respond to. you got 3 options. 1- take care of it by taking whats yours. 2. call the cops 3. suck it up and take the losses and never let a smoker leave until the check has cleared. im self employed and its happened to me. i always went with number 1. until that got me in trouble. now i roll with #3

Tweedle
06-10-2010, 10:15 AM
I would think KCBS might be able to help i.e. barring him from contests until the matter is fixed.. Not that I would know but I think that's worth checking out..

Jacked UP BBQ
06-10-2010, 10:56 AM
Being in the recovery business here is my thought on the situation.
1. What he did is grand theft, if you press charges on him they will make him come back to you to go to court.
2. You have no right to the smoker back unless you take it back as settlement in full since it was not collateral on a loan.
3. Your best bet in this situation is to go down to the PD and press charges, the police will have no choice but to arrest him for this.
4. Taking matters in your own hands in this situation is really no better than what he did. You know the old saying two wrongs don't make a right.
5. Anyone who decides to take the smoker into their possession from the guy in possession will also be in the same boat...... STEALING.
6. Go to the PD that is your only real chance. I would take the smoker back as full settlement, and suck it up as a loss and re sell it used. Good Luck Spice, you are a good guy who doesn't deserve this but it happens.

Matt

Smokin Turkey
06-10-2010, 11:18 AM
I second that Matt. Sorry you had to go and have a bad experience Spice! I know it's 'cause I'm starting small and all but I take at least 50% but more often 75% down on a large build before I even strike the torch on anything. I'm positive it doesnt get any easier on you when you hit the big time like you boys!

Goodluck on getting some sort of legal restitution.

chopshop
06-10-2010, 02:22 PM
I would think KCBS might be able to help i.e. barring him from contests until the matter is fixed.. Not that I would know but I think that's worth checking out..
That wouldnt work. the kcbs has nothing to do with smoker sales. As much as people would like to believe the kcbs would have some pull like that, they dont. they are not the cops, just a group who runs contests. they have their hands full with pork rules can you imagine if they had to start elections for deputy sheriff. if they do id like to nominate myself for that job. I could see it already, anyone that owns a medium spicewine watch your back at contests. some drunk with blurry vision is gonna beat the crap outta ya in a case of mistaken identity.

INmitch
06-10-2010, 03:07 PM
dude do you really want to start going through law books? you cant go anywhere and repo anything. I dont know where you live but around here the sheriff would laugh at you. imagine that " hello sheriff i need you to come with me to repo a smoker" dont post nothing for keyboard tough guys to respond to. you got 3 options. 1- take care of it by taking whats yours. 2. call the cops 3. suck it up and take the losses and never let a smoker leave until the check has cleared. im self employed and its happened to me. i always went with number 1. until that got me in trouble. now i roll with #3
Jeesh after reading what I posted the other night (obviously anebriated (sp)) I'm embarrased.:redface: Didn't mean to try to sound like a tough guy. But was half pi$$ed at this dude & was thinking of calling a guy that did some "colections" for me & another business aquaintence years ago. Just remember the old saying What comes around goes around.

MattCom
06-10-2010, 03:14 PM
Ah, just post the bounced check here, years ago there a small sporting goods store here on LI that had a couple under plexiglas right near the register.
Obviously the guy has no guilt, let's see if shame is a quality he possesses. ( BTW, you'll probably never get paid if you follow my advice:doh:)

INmitch
06-10-2010, 03:16 PM
dude do you really want to start going through law books? you cant go anywhere and repo anything. I dont know where you live but around here the sheriff would laugh at you. imagine that " hello sheriff i need you to come with me to repo a smoker" dont post nothing for keyboard tough guys to respond to. you got 3 options. 1- take care of it by taking whats yours. 2. call the cops 3. suck it up and take the losses and never let a smoker leave until the check has cleared. im self employed and its happened to me. i always went with number 1. until that got me in trouble. now i roll with #3
Jeesh after reading what I posted the other night (after too much vodka) I'm embarassed.:redface: Didn't mean to sound like a tough guy. I was pi$$ed at the dude & was thinking of calling a guy that did some "collections" for me and another business aquaintence a few years back. What goes around comes around. He'll get his

Tweedle
06-10-2010, 03:34 PM
That wouldnt work. the kcbs has nothing to do with smoker sales. As much as people would like to believe the kcbs would have some pull like that, they dont. they are not the cops, just a group who runs contests. they have their hands full with pork rules can you imagine if they had to start elections for deputy sheriff. if they do id like to nominate myself for that job. I could see it already, anyone that owns a medium spicewine watch your back at contests. some drunk with blurry vision is gonna beat the crap outta ya in a case of mistaken identity.


I know they are not the cops:mod:. But they can stop people from being associated with them. I'm sure they have a way of removing people from competing for unethical behavior like cheating getting caught with drugs at a contest ect. figured they might like to be alerted to the fact that he was using stolen equipment. But your probably right they do already have their hands full or wouldn't consider it there problem.

chopshop
06-10-2010, 09:37 PM
Jeesh after reading what I posted the other night (after too much vodka) I'm embarassed.:redface: Didn't mean to sound like a tough guy. I was pi$$ed at the dude & was thinking of calling a guy that did some "collections" for me and another business aquaintence a few years back. What goes around comes around. He'll get his
nothing wrong with too much vodka! it frustrating that this guy did this and no apologies are needed from you to anyone. your right hell get his. its a police matter so that means nothing will be done.

spicewine
06-11-2010, 11:40 AM
All I rally ever wanted was to make enough folk aware of this guy, that if they ever came in contact with him, could make him feel like the Heal that he is. I am not going to throw my resources after a dead beat that would probably end up playing the system anyway and costing me more than it is worth.

Thanks for all the great support from you Good Folks!!

Spice

Brauma
06-11-2010, 05:23 PM
This really sucks the big one, Spice. Not only is the guy a heal but it sucks to learn that our system is so flawed where some heal can, in effect, legally steal. Once again, our elected layers in charge of our laws have farked the average Joe assuring that their pockets get greased first.

I'm sure he doesn't care what we think of him. He's probably done this before and knows he can get away with it. It's a chance he's willing to take.

I'm a believer in karma too. He'll get his in the end. What comes around, goes around.

Meat Burner
06-11-2010, 07:50 PM
Good luck Spice. It sucks big time having that happen. The brethren all want the best for you.

River City Smokehouse
06-13-2010, 08:20 AM
How about printing up a one pager with the facts of the case, and then have someone walk around a contest that the dude is at and hand one out to everyone there, even the public. Shame into doing the right thing.
The Fair Credit Act prohibits a vendor from publicly disclosing information on a bad check. I would be somewhat discreet here.

vr6Cop
06-13-2010, 10:57 AM
If he wrote you the check in your city, then your city's cops should take the report for check fraud because it happened in THEIR jurisdiction - not in the other state. In Tennessee, the merchant has to go to the magistrate to get the criminal summons for the check. The bail is usually the amount of the bad check, in cash plus court costs. See what steps you need to take from your local cops.

Oddly enough, an interw3bz search for "Missouri check fraud laws" brings up numerous defense attorneys. Sheesh.

River City Smokehouse
06-13-2010, 12:00 PM
We need to form a "Brethren Posse" and go repo the pit. I'm in!

Icetech
06-13-2010, 02:00 PM
As the owner of a computer store i have had people bounce checks on me.. almost everytime i got the money back but it took well over a year, i just had to keep riding the cops to do something.. In one case when they caught the guy i had to come to court about it and the damn prosicutor has me in the hallway trying to talk me out of pressing charges.. WTF! I told her to do her damn job and stop trying to help a theif... i got my money and he got 30 days in county..

Point is... Keep bugging the cops to do something and maybe it will get done.. and never trust people.. everyone seems out to screw everyone else in the end...

RobKC
06-13-2010, 09:20 PM
Jay, I don't understand what legal fees you would have as long as these were criminal charges that were filed. I'd go after this dirtclod for sure.

Solidkick
06-14-2010, 12:22 PM
Jay, I don't understand what legal fees you would have as long as these were criminal charges that were filed. I'd go after this dirtclod for sure.

Dog, the bounty hunter, don't come cheap!

CBQ
06-14-2010, 02:02 PM
That's just it. When 2 differnt States are involved, the autorities say it's each others problem. ( Don't want to do the paper work Mod. ) I would end up paying more in Lawyer and recovery fees than the cooker is worth. Now a cooker does not leave the parking lot untill it is paid in full.

I would sue him just on principle, and include your legal and recovery costs in the request for a judement. Maybe it isn't worth it, but giving the guy a (justified) hard time discourages others.

Once you have a judgement, you can seize assets (not just the cooker) and hold them against the pending payment.

In many states you can seize .... anything. Check this out:

http://www.elliott.org/elliotts-email/so-youve-won-a-small-claims-case-against-an-airline-now-what/

(Read the first comment.)