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Ford
05-26-2010, 08:23 PM
It appears based on the 2 polls I posted that either the Brethren are not members of KCBS or they don't care what direction the BOD moved in. One question I asked how the BOD should spend money such as the new SAMS deal and had about 20 people voted. WIth almost 15000 members it looks like they don't care.

So to read these polls it looks like everybody at the Brethren thinks you are doing a great job. I guess all I can say is keep up the good work.

White Dog BBQ
05-26-2010, 08:38 PM
I understand this was posted with a heavy dose of sarcasm, but what exactly is your point? That somehow the people on this forum are an apathetic bunch because they didn't respond to your polls? Seems like a heck of a jump to me.

It appears based on the 2 polls I posted that either the Brethren are not members of KCBS or they don't care what direction the BOD moved in. One question I asked how the BOD should spend money such as the new SAMS deal and had about 20 people voted. WIth almost 15000 members it looks like they don't care.

So to read these polls it looks like everybody at the Brethren thinks you are doing a great job. I guess all I can say is keep up the good work.

bbqbull
05-26-2010, 09:18 PM
It appears based on the 2 polls I posted that either the Brethren are not members of KCBS or they don't care what direction the BOD moved in. One question I asked how the BOD should spend money such as the new SAMS deal and had about 20 people voted. WIth almost 15000 members it looks like they don't care.

So to read these polls it looks like everybody at the Brethren thinks you are doing a great job. I guess all I can say is keep up the good work.

Sorry I missed these 2 polls Ford.
Can you point them out to me, I am a member of KCBS and would like to vote on the issues.
Thanks,
Mike

Ford
05-26-2010, 11:01 PM
I understand this was posted with a heavy dose of sarcasm, but what exactly is your point? That somehow the people on this forum are an apathetic bunch because they didn't respond to your polls? Seems like a heck of a jump to me.
My point is a lot of people that do competition here like to complain about how the KCBS does things but when you ask what would you like them to do nobody seems to care. It also explains why some people didn't get elected last year. Either the membership here is generally speaking not KCBS members (less than 1000 out of nearly 15000) or they just don't care. Are you a member of KCBS?
Sorry I missed these 2 polls Ford.
Can you point them out to me, I am a member of KCBS and would like to vote on the issues.
Thanks,
Mike
They are in the competition section and are about a week old now. A few hundred viewed them and only 20 or so cared eough to do something.

Spydermike72
05-27-2010, 06:37 AM
Seems about right, 10% conversion rate... I voted in both. Maybe some folks were busy and whatnot with Summer coming on and the Holiday weekend. Also being that we all know that only 2 or 3 BOD members come here and read things might be a factor as well. I am just trying to think of reasons why some folks chose not to vote ??

White Dog BBQ
05-27-2010, 07:10 AM
My point is a lot of people that do competition here like to complain about how the KCBS does things but when you ask what would you like them to do nobody seems to care. It also explains why some people didn't get elected last year. Either the membership here is generally speaking not KCBS members (less than 1000 out of nearly 15000) or they just don't care. Are you a member of KCBS?


Not sure how it's relevant, but I am a KCBS member -- and I voted for John Markus, Phil, Jeff and other unsuccessful candidates that the Brethren have (informally) gotten behind. I've corresponded with KCBS Board Members and Candidates on KCBS issues. I've also served as a Board member for the Mid-Atlantic BBQ Association.

I still think you are making a huge jump in your conclusion based on the poor response to your polls. Did you consider that the response rate was low because:



They fell on a busy competition weekend.
They were posted on one of the less trafficked forums.
People didn't like the set answers you provided.
People didn't care for the questions you asked.

Quite frankly, I missed your threads because I had a busy weekend and didn't see them. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Either way, I don't think the response rate to your polls is the appropriate gauge of Brethren interest in KCBS affairs.

bigabyte
05-27-2010, 07:12 AM
Are BOD members still reading these forums?:becky:

I voted, but I'm not sure all KCBS members with a keen interest in BOD direction felt the poll was something they needed to answer to get any attention.

Ford
05-27-2010, 07:44 AM
Both good points. Maybe people just didn't think it was worth while or didn't like the answers. I wanted more detail but polls are limited to 100 characters including the question so you are limited in wording. That's why you can also comment.

Not sure how it's relevant, but I am a KCBS member -- and I voted for John Markus, Phil, Jeff and other unsuccessful candidates that the Brethren have (informally) gotten behind. I've corresponded with KCBS Board Members and Candidates on KCBS issues. I've also served as a Board member for the Mid-Atlantic BBQ Association.

I still think you are making a huge jump in your conclusion based on the poor response to your polls. Did you consider that the response rate was low because:



They fell on a busy competition weekend.
They were posted on one of the less trafficked forums.
People didn't like the set answers you provided.
People didn't care for the questions you asked.
Quite frankly, I missed your threads because I had a busy weekend and didn't see them. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Either way, I don't think the response rate to your polls is the appropriate gauge of Brethren interest in KCBS affairs.
I had some of those names on m ballots as well (wife was alive then and a member so I got to vote twice). Too bad so many others didn't vote.

I understand your reason for not seeing it but how did that happen? Well it meant that nobody else voted or posted for a couple of days for them to drop off the first page. That means that they read it and chose not to vote or post. To me that says we don't really care or all we want to do is complain.
Are BOD members still reading these forums?:becky:

I voted, but I'm not sure all KCBS members with a keen interest in BOD direction felt the poll was something they needed to answer to get any attention.
I know Merl is because the Dells prize money issue surfaced here on a Sunday and I got a call late Sunday night from Merl who just got back from Repping a contest without having internet and he wanted to know what I knew about it. Monday morning he called Mike Lake (President) and the issue was resolved. I'd still like to hear the whole story on that mess but at least the cooks were looked after.

As to members not caring, I can udnerstand that but I get tired of hearing how the BOD is doing everything wrong yet nobody wants to offer advice to them. There's this false rumor about what goes on in meetings and people should take the time (3-5 hours) to listen to the podcast if they really want to know what's going on. I started listening in Feb by dial in and now listen to the podcasts. Wish all members would have listened to the April podcast. It's a 5 hour eye opener. And May really surprised me at how much time we can spend to design a new banner to hang at all contests. Too bad Phil wasn't on that committee. And I should get my new conpetition Brethren banner tomorrow I hope.

Jorge
05-27-2010, 08:07 AM
It appears based on the 2 polls I posted that either the Brethren are not members of KCBS or they don't care what direction the BOD moved in. One question I asked how the BOD should spend money such as the new SAMS deal and had about 20 people voted. WIth almost 15000 members it looks like they don't care.

So to read these polls it looks like everybody at the Brethren thinks you are doing a great job. I guess all I can say is keep up the good work.

I don't know that I disagree with your conclusion based on past history.

However, you are making a huge leap with no facts that I can see to support it. At best your polls indicate apathy, perhaps towards KCBS or perhaps towards the polls themselves. You sample size was too small, you have no data to indicate who was in the sample, etc...

I do think it was a pretty good idea, though. It might help the current board if they did something similar and sent it to the membership. It would be simple to put a well thought out poll on the website, in the member section, and announce it via email and in the Bullsheet. For those without internet access a poll could be included in the Bullsheet to be mailed back.

my .02

Ford
05-27-2010, 08:49 AM
I don't know that I disagree with your conclusion based on past history.

However, you are making a huge leap with no facts that I can see to support it. At best your polls indicate apathy, perhaps towards KCBS or perhaps towards the polls themselves. You sample size was too small, you have no data to indicate who was in the sample, etc...

I do think it was a pretty good idea, though. It might help the current board if they did something similar and sent it to the membership. It would be simple to put a well thought out poll on the website, in the member section, and announce it via email and in the Bullsheet. For those without internet access a poll could be included in the Bullsheet to be mailed back.

my .02
I think the KCBS is ahead of you at least they recently did a survey (MMA did it) to find out more about members and their wants. It was however based on gathering demographics to sell the KCBS as an organization to advertisers. All this is mentioned in the May minutes although I think some detail went to BOD members after the meeting. It's all about the money. At least that's my conclusion based on listening to 4 months of meetings and doing a lot of reading and asking questions. By the time membership in general wakes up it will be too late to keep the KCBS like it was and most folks I think want things to be like they used to be. In the May executive session they apparently discussed 4-5 new sponsor opportunities - this was in the public discussion of the meeting.

I'd love to see the KCBS ask members what they want to see the KCBS emphasize. From the recent BOD vote we know the majority think spending on TOY is more important than charity.

And you're correct that I drew some pretty wide reaching conclusions from just a few responses. But my conclusions are not based on the responses but by the lack of responses. So your apathy comment is probably correct. I'm thinking that less than 10% of members are KCBS members but again that's a conclusion based on the last elections.

Spydermike72
05-27-2010, 10:10 AM
I never got a survey from KCBS/MMA...

Jorge
05-27-2010, 10:13 AM
I never got a survey from KCBS/MMA...

The link to the online survey came via email. Does KCBS have your email address?

Spydermike72
05-27-2010, 10:39 AM
Yes they do, my wife is a member as well and she did not get an e-mail for a survey either... I would love to participate in a survey for them...


The link to the online survey came via email. Does KCBS have your email address?

BBQchef33
05-27-2010, 10:52 AM
i didnt get any survey either.. I also have not gotten a response regarding whos repping our August contest. I guess they are busy. :rolleyes:

The threads and polls fords looking fro input on has been put at the top of the forum as a sticky.. Please folks, go vote.. Lets see what the consensus is.

Bbq Bubba
05-27-2010, 10:55 AM
I never got a survey from KCBS/MMA...

Ditto? :confused:

Jorge
05-27-2010, 10:59 AM
Mine arrived April 16 and the survey ended on the 30th.

Candy Sue
05-27-2010, 02:55 PM
I hang out here, though I'm not opening my mouth (or typing on the keyboard much). I do read the competition board and the KCBS Board board. I am trying hard to stay out of trouble...

Ford, I didn't answer your survey because my answers were not reflected on your list of possibles.

Ford
05-27-2010, 03:25 PM
I hang out here, though I'm not opening my mouth (or typing on the keyboard much). I do read the competition board and the KCBS Board board. I am trying hard to stay out of trouble...

Ford, I didn't answer your survey because my answers were not reflected on your list of possibles.
Keep reading and stay out of trouble. We need the BOD to be aware of what people are saying.

Only some many characters allowed (100) for the entire survey. I was hoping people would post other answers in the discussion.

butt head
05-27-2010, 04:26 PM
Ditto? :confused:
same here

Sledneck
05-27-2010, 06:20 PM
i didnt get any survey either.. I also have not gotten a response regarding whos repping our August contest. I guess they are busy. :rolleyes:
is.You should Contact the FBA to get some reps

Smoke'n Ice
05-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Polls, critique sheets, surveys, etc. ad infinatim , ad nausea. We fill out critique sheets on a contest and it goes??????? There is no place to look at past contest critiques and perform an evaluation. We are told it is used to TRY and get the organizer to make changes. I can assure you that if these were assimilated and posted on line, the membership would get the organizer to make the changes if they wanted them back.
I, personally, did not respond because it is worthless unless you just want to feel better. The only language and/or polls that the bod will listen to are the ballot polls and that is where we can do the most good from OUR perspective. If our ideas or candidates do not win does not mean that the brethren did not support, it means that we did not get the votes needed to impress our views on the other 3000 members.
For over 40 years I have set in meetings, been on boards, (school, corporate, HOA, MUD, organizations, including Pacific Northwest BBQ Association) to discuss whatever and know that the only real way members can have an impact is be on committees that recommend to the management. Listening to a pod cast after the fact gives you something to do but I really don’t need to perform self immolation. With KCBS, committee membership is a closed item and there is no real method to even get someone to listen and/or participate except at the annual meeting to follow the BOD agenda for the committee.
I would ask who on this forum are members of any of the KCBS committees and who volunteered to be on one? I know I did and I know I am not!
I am tempted to use the beat a dead horse icon but this did make me feel better!!
:-D

Ford
05-28-2010, 05:36 AM
Polls, critique sheets, surveys, etc. ad infinatim , ad nausea. We fill out critique sheets on a contest and it goes???????
A BOD member reviews all the critiques and prepares a monthly report for the BOD. When there are serious problems documented they are actually discussed by the BOD. The BOD decides how to communicate to the Organizer and follows up.

There is no place to look at past contest critiques and perform an evaluation. We are told it is used to TRY and get the organizer to make changes. I can assure you that if these were assimilated and posted on line, the membership would get the organizer to make the changes if they wanted them back.
Good idea. Did you write the BOD with this suggestion?

I, personally, did not respond because it is worthless unless you just want to feel better. The only language and/or polls that the bod will listen to are the ballot polls and that is where we can do the most good from OUR perspective. If our ideas or candidates do not win does not mean that the brethren did not support, it means that we did not get the votes needed to impress our views on the other 3000 members.
Excellent comment. Especially we didn't get the votes. With more members of the Brethren than the KCBS it says there are actually a small % of Brethren that care to join the KCBS. It's too bad.

For over 40 years I have set in meetings, been on boards, (school, corporate, HOA, MUD, organizations, including Pacific Northwest BBQ Association) to discuss whatever and know that the only real way members can have an impact is be on committees that recommend to the management. Listening to a pod cast after the fact gives you something to do but I really donít need to perform self immolation. With KCBS, committee membership is a closed item and there is no real method to even get someone to listen and/or participate except at the annual meeting to follow the BOD agenda for the committee.
So what Committee heads did you write asking to volunteer? Did you explain why you would be a good member for that committee? Remember the people forming the committees don't know you or most don't so you need to convince them that you would be a good member that can contribute.

I would ask who on this forum are members of any of the KCBS committees and who volunteered to be on one? I know I did and I know I am not!
I am tempted to use the beat a dead horse icon but this did make me feel better!!
:-D
I am on the new ideas committee. I was asked to join it as opposed to volunteering. Been on it for a few years.

ThomEmery
05-28-2010, 07:26 AM
The committees do very little,
because the committee chairs do very little group work
The new ideas group is probably one of the most active

Spydermike72
05-28-2010, 09:39 AM
According to the stats at the bottom of the front page there are 3097 active members of the Brethren. I would guess that less than 10% are Members of the KCBS and probably even less than that even vote. So I am not sure where the number of Brethren is more than the membership of the KCBS is coming from. A large portion of the members here are not active, as evidenced by the difference in the Active Members and the Members....

Divemaster
06-03-2010, 09:03 AM
I never got a survey either... Wish I had...

It's good to know that you (Ford) are on the new ideas committee, I've got a couple that I'd like to send you if you think that it's the correct route to take...