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Weiss Mountain Smoke
04-21-2010, 08:47 PM
I was checking the KCBS website for results from this past weekend and noticed the results from a comp down in AL had another team competing called The Grateful Pig. Sure enough I looked into it some more and found that there is in fact another team registered with KCBS under that name :shocked:.

A search on the KCBS website brings up our team, but we can't be sure who was registered first :confused:. Anyone had any experience with this sort of thing before? I was thinking of sending a note to KCBS about the issue but thought I'd check with you folks before hand to see if you had any wisdom to share...any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

mremus
04-21-2010, 08:58 PM
I had the same issue with a team name we came up with. we competed under it and after the comp I got a call from KCBS suggesting that we change it due to another tame already using it.

CBQ
04-21-2010, 09:09 PM
There isn't really an official source, but bbqteamnames.com is trying to be a team name registry. If your team name is on the www.kcbs.us (http://www.kcbs.us) profile and on bbqteamnames.com, you could make a good case that your team "owns" the team.

I will not be discussing competition teams that happen to have the same name as one Chatty Farker on the Brethren. :icon_blush:

Squeeze
04-21-2010, 09:10 PM
That was actually the name of my first team in 2005...in Alabama as well....don't know who the other Grateful Team is.....still a great name I think and wear my shirt often....Good Luck

Big Mike's BBQ
04-21-2010, 09:39 PM
i had the same issue and contacted KCBS and they said that it does happen. most likely the other team is not registered with KCBS. If you are a KCBS member and have your team name registered with them, they will recognize you.


Big Mike

Finney
04-21-2010, 10:26 PM
That bbqteamnames.com is just a way for Ray Basso to make another $10. It really means nothing. If your team name is registered with the KCBS, then you are that team as far as the KCBS is concerned. Other santioning bodies may or may not agree.
If the name really means a lot to you, look into trademarking it. But you'll have to pay the legal fees and prove that you were using it before the other them(s), and then you'll have to spend the time (and money) 'protecting' the name.

The Pickled Pig
04-21-2010, 11:59 PM
As one who is ultra sensitive to duplicate team names and wishes KCBS would issue unique team numbers, I can sympathize. How about adding a state identifier to the end of your team name (i.e., The Grateful Pig MD, or The Grateful Pig of MD)?

I have talked to several folks who have received feedback from KCBS that their team name is a duplicate and that 1) they need to alter it or 2) since they were first they could keep it so it appears to me that someone at the office is paying attention to the problem.

bbqpitstop
04-22-2010, 12:54 AM
Hmm, which pickled pig are you ? Just kidding.....I know the feeling....we are Desperados Barbecue and Catering Company and of course there is Desperados BBQ and Rib Company out of Hinkley Ohio.....I had never heard of them before we started vending so the crossover was unintentional...sometimes people think it's on purpose but usually not......a company I was affiliated with used the marketing phrase "business of barbecue" on a regular basis and it's now affiliated with another bbq business....and I'm positive it was unintentional as well. Probably best to use the state name or even a II after the name.........as for KCBS, it will probably become first come first served.....unless of course you trademark and raise a ruckus about it.

Divemaster
04-22-2010, 08:26 AM
That's one of the reasons that we are Trademarking our name. I have also actually spent the $10 for Ray to register us. Based on a document I found on the KCBS site for new teams, they 'recommend' that you check Ray's site to insure that the name isn't already taken. I did find it interesting that they said nothing about checking their own site...

As for protecting our name, one of our team members is a Federal Judge...

Lake Dogs
04-22-2010, 08:32 AM
Looks like we're gonna need a NBBQL; National BBQ League. :-)

Trademarking seems the only sure route to making certain it's YOURS.

Merl
04-22-2010, 08:40 AM
That bbqteamnames.com is just a way for Ray Basso to make another $10. It really means nothing. If your team name is registered with the KCBS, then you are that team as far as the KCBS is concerned. Other santioning bodies may or may not agree.
If the name really means a lot to you, look into trademarking it. But you'll have to pay the legal fees and prove that you were using it before the other them(s), and then you'll have to spend the time (and money) 'protecting' the name.

Finney you are correct. Plus from the KCBS team name section:
Official Team Bio/Team of Year Disclaimer*
Please remember that the team names listed below are provided by our members to KCBS. Each team listed has at least one KCBS membership tied to that team name. No team names outside of our membership base are listed below. If you are a member of KCBS and wish to add your team name to this list, then you can use this Official KCBS Team Registry as the first place to start. Once you find that your team name is not in the KCBS database, you can submit your name request to the KCBS office. KCBS will review your request and add your team name with your membership information into our system. Except for the member’s name and team name, the accuracy of the data is based on information provided by the member listed. Therefore, KCBS cannot guarantee all the information shown.

KCBS does not have the legal right to grant exclusive use of any name, trade name or trademark. KCBS however does ask its members to use an identifier for use by KCBS, in order that we do not have teams with the same name or confusing names, in our “Team of the Year” program. KCBS assumes no liability for duplicate named teams, and does not have the right to enforce any rights between teams with similar names.

Divemaster
04-22-2010, 08:52 AM
Merl,

I don't think that anyone is asking KCBS to protect a team name that is already in use. I just found it interesting that in the document Your First Cookoff (http://www.kcbs.us/pdf/YourFirstCookoff.pdf) found on the KCBS site, you don't even recommend that a new team look in the KCBS Bio's.

Choosing a Team Name
You’ll need a team name, so get together with your teammates and agree on one.

There are many team names already in use, so check on the internet at
www.bbqteamnames.com (http://www.bbqteamnames.com) to be sure you aren’t picking something already being used by someone else. Be creative and have fun in picking your team name, but be considerate of other who may be in attendance at the cookoff. There will be families and children there, so you probably don’t want a team name that causes a child to turn to his parents and say ‘Mommy? What’s a (blank)?”

Above and beyond Rays site and the KCBS Bio's, there are many other ways to check if a team name is already in use. The simplest is a Goggle search.

Alexa RnQ
04-22-2010, 08:52 AM
FYI to the people who registered the "Rhythm And Q" piggyback: Ain't nobody gonna be able to spell it.

http://www.divaherself.com/funny/shiner.gif

River City Smokehouse
04-22-2010, 08:59 PM
This is happenig with me right now. Someone from KS has started using my name and KCBS allowed it. The only difference in the names is theirs has BBQ on the end. I know it's just a matter of time before there's a problem.

KC_Bobby
04-22-2010, 09:27 PM
Was Ray Basso once a board member?

CBQ
04-22-2010, 10:14 PM
I registered at bbqteamnames.com mostly because KCBS was recommending it. (They didn't always have Team Bios on their site, now I do that too.)

I also jot down new team names whenever they pop into my head, just in case. I have a long list, but my wife won't let me use most of them. :icon_blush: What's wrong with "Hot Beef Injectors" ?

douglaslizard
04-23-2010, 07:45 AM
when i was trying to come up with a name i had the same problem,i wanted smokestack lightning in tribute to both the howling wolf song and the bbq book,but that was taken so i came up with mojo smokestack by putting together muddy waters mojo hand and smokestack lightning.then at our first contest we got a call and somehow they called us up and put the name on the certificate as mojo smokehouse so we kinda just stuck with that.Now the other day my oldest son googled it and come to find out there is a restaurant with the same name a couple hours from here in jacksonville fl.

Warthog
04-23-2010, 07:55 AM
When I registered our team name the woman at KCBS was very diligent in not allowing very similar or duplicate names.

drbbq
04-23-2010, 08:47 AM
No, Ray Basso was never a board member at KCBS. He was actually trying to fix a problem that has been around for a long time and KCBS just wouldn't address. It seems like they've addressed it now but from reading this thread it's not fixed yet.

Pig Headed
04-23-2010, 09:04 PM
We had an issue last year. Our team Pigheaded BBQ is very close to Pig Headed BBQ. I spoke with Dawn at KCBS and she made sure the right points were given to the right team. We have to make sure the organizers of the comps we do have our name spelled like we do, so there's no mix up. No, there was never a chance that any missing points would keep us from being TOY.LOL

Weiss Mountain Smoke
04-25-2010, 11:41 AM
thanks for all the responses. we did try to do our homework when we chose our name to make sure there wasn't another out there...and we were pretty sure at the time we were in the clear. we are also are registered as a small business in the state of MD, fwiw.

i don't want to "bump" these guys off of their name, but it would definately pose a problem if we ended up competing at the same event, so i think we gotta do what we gotta do:boxing:

we'll see if this can be cleared up simply with a note to kcbs...

thanks again folks for sharing your insight :bow:

Merl
04-25-2010, 03:32 PM
thanks for all the responses. we did try to do our homework when we chose our name to make sure there wasn't another out there...and we were pretty sure at the time we were in the clear. we are also are registered as a small business in the state of MD, fwiw.

i don't want to "bump" these guys off of their name, but it would definately pose a problem if we ended up competing at the same event, so i think we gotta do what we gotta do:boxing:

we'll see if this can be cleared up simply with a note to kcbs...

thanks again folks for sharing your insight :bow:

If you have a trade name registration with the State of MD, then you may have enforceable rights in your state, but not nationally. (Only US Patent and Copyright office can issue national protection of a name.) If this is worth it you, then I would consult with the attorney who set up your business, to see what rights you have in your state.

KCBS can only do things like add an identifier in order to not mess up the TOY. We can do things like have you refer to your team as:

"YOUR Team Name - MD"

KCBS does not have the legal right to grant exclusive use of any name, trade name or trademark. KCBS however does ask its members to use an identifier for use by KCBS, in order that we do not have teams with the same name or confusing names, in our “Team of the Year” program. KCBS assumes no liability for duplicate named teams, and does not have the right to enforce any rights between teams with similar names.

As stated on the KCBS web site, KCSB has no ability or legal right to enforce team names. The other team using your name, may not be a member of KCBS, as it is not required to enter a KCBS contest, but the confusing team name, could effect TOY points.

I would encourage that you keep this simple by adding an identifier to your team name. That would settle the problem and prevent any problem if you are chasing TOY points.

Good Luck
Merl

lunchlady
04-26-2010, 08:05 AM
or... you could just use a name that NO ONE else would EVER use... heheh...

the grateful pig
06-02-2012, 09:41 AM
To the other Grateful Pig BBQ team. After seeing your post you will be happy to know I have added GA to our name . I never thought someone would be so upset over two teams having the same name. After all we compete in different parts of the country. One would think you would be happy to see the name in the winners circle once in awhile

G$
06-02-2012, 10:15 AM
To the other Grateful Pig BBQ team. After seeing your post you will be happy to know I have added GA to our name . I never thought someone would be so upset over two teams having the same name. After all we compete in different parts of the country. One would think you would be happy to see the name in the winners circle once in awhile

:doh:

bmanMA
06-02-2012, 10:25 AM
To the other Grateful Pig BBQ team. After seeing your post you will be happy to know I have added GA to our name . I never thought someone would be so upset over two teams having the same name. After all we compete in different parts of the country. One would think you would be happy to see the name in the winners circle once in awhile

Smooth. :wacko:

Red Valley BBQ
06-02-2012, 01:08 PM
One would think you would be happy to see the name in the winners circle once in awhile

As long as you share the winnings from said "winners circle", I'm sure you won't get many complaints.

butt head
06-02-2012, 02:39 PM
To the other Grateful Pig BBQ team. After seeing your post you will be happy to know I have added GA to our name . I never thought someone would be so upset over two teams having the same name. After all we compete in different parts of the country. One would think you would be happy to see the name in the winners circle once in awhile

thanks for all the responses. we did try to do our homework when we chose our name to make sure there wasn't another out there...and we were pretty sure at the time we were in the clear. we are also are registered as a small business in the state of MD, fwiw.

i don't want to "bump" these guys off of their name, but it would definately pose a problem if we ended up competing at the same event, so i think we gotta do what we gotta do:boxing:

we'll see if this can be cleared up simply with a note to kcbs...

thanks again folks for sharing your insight :bow:

maybe you should change to ungrateful pigs.
from what i was reading it sounds like weiss was being extremly civil about this

Podge
06-02-2012, 03:45 PM
Heck, I got issues with people using a form of Moonswiners.. pi$$es me off... it took 4 long months to come up with that name, but some people just like to copy it and change it around a bit. Get original !

whskyrnnr322
06-02-2012, 04:45 PM
It is what it is! I did a google search on my team name and nothing came up so I rolled with it. Hopefully its a one and only.

HarleyGirl14226
06-02-2012, 04:51 PM
or... you could just use a name that NO ONE else would EVER use... heheh...

What she said! :biggrin1:

Big Mike
06-02-2012, 04:53 PM
It happens. Most of the time I think it is unintentional. I started off as Big Mikes BBQ in 2007 (I have been Big Mike for over 20 years so it seemed to be a natural name for my team) but then I found out there was a gentleman in Denver already going by that so I changed to Eagle River Barbecue.

smoke-n-my-i's
06-02-2012, 05:13 PM
That bbqteamnames.com is just a way for Ray Basso to make another $10. It really means nothing. If your team name is registered with the KCBS, then you are that team as far as the KCBS is concerned. Other santioning bodies may or may not agree.
If the name really means a lot to you, look into trademarking it. But you'll have to pay the legal fees and prove that you were using it before the other them(s), and then you'll have to spend the time (and money) 'protecting' the name.


I paid my $10 and was on his list for a while, then all of a sudden I wasn't... so, I sent an email, and never heard anything back from him.... so, I guess he got my bucks... and went on from their....

There isn't really an official source, but bbqteamnames.com is trying to be a team name registry. If your team name is on the www.kcbs.us (http://www.kcbs.us) profile and on bbqteamnames.com, you could make a good case that your team "owns" the team.

I will not be discussing competition teams that happen to have the same name as one Chatty Farker on the Brethren. :icon_blush:

Agree, neither is an "official" registration. KCBS basically tries to keep duplicates from happening to keep their database straight.... that is my opinion and I am sticking to it......

I tossed names around for quite a while before sticking with this one.... I had a couple others close to it, but this one stuck.... because the smoke was always in my eyes when I was bbq'n..... :wink:

the grateful pig
06-02-2012, 05:42 PM
Hey butt head how do you figure Weiss was so extremely civil he wants to take my BBQ team name away because he thinks he came up with it first as if it matters. I'm not trying to be difficult I am just trying to give my one of my favorite bands a tip of the hat. And I have added GA to my team name. But I guess a Yankee wouldn't understand LOL PS I'm originally from Levittown Pa

MilitantSquatter
06-02-2012, 05:54 PM
Mod Note - This is a 2 yr old thread...

pleas use to discuss the general topic of duplicate names.. This should not be revived to call out each other.. That can be done via private message, if needed at all.. not in public where no one else has a dog in the fight.

HawgNationBBQ
06-02-2012, 07:32 PM
I suggest you trademark your name if you really like. Then you have no issues, nationally. A quick search in the trademark database says that the name “grateful pig” is not registered.