PDA

View Full Version : The Brethren, today, and tomorrow. **Very long, go get a beverage **


BBQchef33
03-28-2010, 10:41 PM
The BBQ Brethren. Back to our roots.


A few weeks back, I took some time away from the forum. Actually, I was banned, by our moderators who saw me starting to unravel. Without going into the crap that I was getting hit with from all directions, I will concentrate on here, our forum, a place that was started 7 years ago.

First off, understand this and make sure it sinks in, this post, was NOT sparked by any one individual, any one instance or any one circumstance, but by an ongoing and overall shift in our norm. Its collaborative observations of many, which includes myself, the moderators, and most importantly, include many of you. A shift which began many months ago, and may be as far back as early last year. This shift has been noticed by many of you, and some have taken the time to bring your concerns to me directly. Maybe it is growing pains, maybe its jsut evolution, but it is change. Change can either be ignored, which will cause a shift in the norm requiring new structure, or embraced, managed and controlled to maintain stability in future growth. As promised to those that have addressed this to me thru PM, we are going to move to get things back on track. We are embracing change, and controlling it. We cannot allow our backyard to turn into the typical forums, we need to get back to "The Spirit of The Brethren".

I will say up front now, that although things may seem to have calmed down since Jorge posted the thread regarding the derogatory use of Newbie, there are many additional things that need to be addressed. As a preemptive strike to those of you who like to use the the PC(political correctness) bandwagon, I suggest you jump off it and understand the difference between political correctness and common courtesy. What we are addressing here is common courtesy and socially acceptable behavior. Some may find my wording a bit harsh. It is not meant to be harsh, but matter of fact and to the point. (If you find it harsh, its probably guilt. :-P )

Whereas most will say things are now going fine in our yard, others say we're in the middle of cabin fever, or maybe it's a 7 year itch, or simply that we have grown and are experiencing growing pains. What I, and others have been noticing is a cultural shift of which I'm not supporting, nor will I, or the staff here allow it to continue or to complete. The moderating staff is burning out, some are at wits end and have taken a step back. What most of you see thru one pair of eyes, moderators have to look thru 2. Not only looking at what you post as the single post, but the effect it may have on the forum or its members.

What has been taking place are the very things that we ran away from 7 years ago, when we left(were run off by) other members of an established yahoo group. For those that have read, or know the story of "The Inception of the Brethren", you may see a common path in what is happening here. We left behind a group of folks who could not accept another group of folks that were "chatting in the chat room." They had problems with the varied personalities, the banter during the off season, and the new members who were being active and using the group for what it was designed... chat, conversation, and the free flow of information. A group of long time members there were slamming us, flaming us, belittling us. The small faction of 40 or so newer folks that were keeping that group alive were frequently jumped by the senior members who decided they didn't like, for whatever reason, the person or the post. What came out of that was the exodus of the newer members, the formation of this group, and the virtual death of that old yahoo group. All due to the lack of acceptance, tolerance and respect for one another.

This post has been drafted over several sittings, and is a somewhat randomly ordered series of issues that I'm going to address. And if anyone sees themselves in any of the issues, don't get pissy, start whining or start PMing me, but think about it instead.. and decide if we've changed, you've changed, or your just not accepting the inevitable change that comes with evolution. Go get a beer, because this is going to be long. VERY LONG.

Here's an outline of some of the stuff that needs to be addressed. Let's call it the commandments of 2010.

We have grown, accept it and embrace it and manage it. Its no longer the backyard, but a stadium.
It's NOT ok to be a asshat.
Let the Moderators Moderate.

Accept the varied personalities, understand that we are all different.
Appreciate those that ask and those that are willing to teach.
Understand the circle of life in a forum.
Remember when YOU were starting out.
The Bullchit called "The Compification"

Before I begin, Everyone play this (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/rwbclip.mp3), and listen to the words carefully. (No, its not mananana.) This clip was on our splash page, and it was perfect, defined who were are, and how we think...at least we used to. I take alot of pride in this group, and the unique feel it has compared to others. We didnt flame, dogpile or drag others down. The acceptance, tolerance and open minds were and must be the driving force behind us. However, in the past few months, it has changed for the worse, and we are going to change it back to how it should be.

Also, Everyone please review the Rules section (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=27). We have modified and re-written some of our rules document (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14685)to better fit our size, and where we are today.

Now, to address SOME of the issues.
1 - To quote "We've gotten too big, it's not the cozy place it use to be."

No kidding. I've heard this one the most, "we've gotten too big", " I don't know anyone", "too many new names", "to many posts".. etc.. Well, yeah, there are 14,000 of us now. Well, it's also not 2003, it's not the backyard anymore, and there are more that 40 of us. With 14,000 members, those days are long gone. We are not and never again will be the little group of guys sitting around the redwood table for 6. But answer me this. Why don't you know anyone? Maybe you haven't done anything to get to know the new folks? You probably stopped posting months if not years ago. When was the last time you answered a dozen or 2 questions over an hour?, or even posted a welcome to a new member? Why is it that you don't know anyone? Maybe you see new posts, from new members asking old questions and you just close the thread? If any of those are true, no one's going to get to know you, or you know them if you just sit in the corner of the yard and look around. Maybe if you were out answering and bantering, folks would know you and you will get to know them, make new friends and grow the foundation of which this group started. Camaraderie.

2 - it's NOT ok to be an asshat.
No one can deny that this winter has been a record setter for cabin fever, but in 7 years here I have never see so many folks pissing on each other's shoes. I was always very cognizant of allowing not only the free flow of information, but also the free expression of one's opinions. I hold the moderators to one very important rule. Do not moderate on content. Whereas this rule sometimes allows a person to be a total asshat, and quintessential jerk, we always remind each other(among the mods), that there is no rule against being said asshat. If the post falls within the rules, no porn, no flames, no personal attacks, etc.. it stays. This does NOT in any way give anyone carte blanc when it comes to antagonizing, flaming, being a jerk, calling folks out or just pissing on someone shoes for any reason, especially when it's done just for sport. So, because of some folks insisting on posting lame ass antagonistic comments, we have modified the rules to state:


NO personal attacks. NO attacks of any kind. Recognizing that everyone has, and is entitled to an opinion, if your opinion comes across as antagonistic, bad karma, insulting or hurtful, keep it to yourself. Any meaningless post that is nothing more than a negative comment of any kind towards a member, or the membership, or is strictly there to antagonize, will be edited or deleted. In other words, you are NOT allowed to be a jerk just to piss people off. Moderators do not have time to be putting out flame wars.

So, as u can see, it is no longer allowed to be a jerk to your fellow brethren. We are going back to our roots, where it was stated in our welcome section NO BAD KARMA. This will be enforced by the moderators. If they catch someone pissing on someone shoes, you WILL BE MODERATED, POST REMOVED AND TAKE IT AS A WARNING. NO MESSAGE WILL BE SENT. Keep this in mind when u read about repeated moderating of any one individual.

Also, Moderators are NOT here for sport. Some folks think its funny to put crap up that they know is pushing the line. Pushing the edge of the envelope, or continuously posting what YOU KNOW will be moderated needs to stop. Please realize that stuff like that takes time out of our moderators and admins lives. Especially in the case of posts that have been reported by other members. When someone uses the REPORT BAD POST button, it sends urgent messages to ALL the moderators and admins. This causes a rush to the computer to address the issue. I personally have left the dinner table, or rushed home from places to run damage control, and I know our moderators have also, only to find someone screwing around and pushing buttons thinking its funny. Its NOT funny!!. It steals cycles from our lives, wastes our time, and takes time away from our families. So many folks have commented that we are are one of the best run forums around, and that's because the moderators take this stuff seriously. We would appreciate if other recognize this next time they feel like pushing someones buttons or testing the moderators just to see what they can get away with. Wheather it be for a joke, a rant, or a dogpile, someones going to report it, and six of us are going to drop what we are doing get pulled away from our lives to run damage control. Mods are burning out, getting cranky and are becoming less tolerant, all due to a select few who insist on ignoring or stretching the rules.

The first 2 sentences of our rules document state;


Ignoring or breaking any of these rules is grounds for deleting the thread or post.
Habitually breaking the rules of the forum will be grounds for deactivating membership.

No one is immune to this, regardless of tenure or even subscription levels. If folk continue to habitually push the envelope, we will be forced to start using the banning and strikes system. From temporary(time outs), to permanent removal. 99.999% will not be effected, but if you are reading this and are saying, oh thats B.S., then chances are you are one of the few who test those rules and the mods patience. In the end, the moderators or staff will always win.

3 - Let the Moderators Moderate. That is ONLY the Moderators can moderate.
We appreciate and encourage all members to self moderate, we also encourage experienced/tenured members to assist new folks and guide them in our processes and culture by setting an example or affording a gentle nudge when its required. However, in the past 4 months we have lost 6 members, due to dog piling and folks playing self appointed moderators, chastising members, harsh responses, and at times flat out rude responses. ONLY the moderators have the tools AND authority to address problems or issues. If you cannot effectively and appropriately offer guidance, dont. Instead, use the report bad post button. It is a tool just below your avatar that everyone can and should use to report posts. This sends a broadcast message to ALL moderators. The issue is then reviewed and addressed if necessary. We have seen it too many times one person publicly chastising a member for what is seen as inappropriate action or behavior, and a mob mentality forms and it turns into witch hunt or dogpile. So lets put away the torches and pitchforks and ONLY use the report bad post button.

4 - Accept the individual personalities.
14000 of us! The demographic spread is staggering. Each person comes with their own personality and there is no way everyone is compatible with everyone. Accept the fact that there will be clashes and deal with it. If any one person just rubs you the wrong way, USE THE IGNORE BUTTON! or just don't read their stuff. Do NOT go on your own personal crusade to bait or torment the person. Don't throw the jabs, don't bitch to other members, and please don't drop a complaint in my PM box telling me how your quitting or leaving because you don't like someone. I hate the farking drama. What would you think of someone who comes to you at your party and says they are leaving because there is someone in the crowd of 200 that they don't like. WTF.. this isn't high school. IGNORE THAT PERSON, and enjoy the time with your friends. We are all adults, act like it.

5 - Understand the circle of life in a forum.
Yes, membership in forums have established trends and it is documented in other forums out there that are geared towards forum admins, owners, moderators etc. Forum members go thru lifecycles and here is a synopsis.I - The new member: 2 types - New to the forum and its culture and new to the craft.
a - New member to the craft: These folks arrive and start rapid fire, asking questions, some of which have been asked 1000 times before. They are all over the forum, posting, chatting, they help where they could, the ask when they need. The term FAQ - Frequently Asked Question is not new and exists in every aspect of life, including here. They are not doing anything wrong. They are using the forum for what it is designed.
b - New member to the Culture. A lot of times folks come in here from other forums. They think they already know forum life and bring baggage from the other places they visit. In some cases, they are given some gentle nudges by established members or moderators as to our culture, while other times they may be jumped and dog piled by established members when they don't conform to the culture here.
So, in either case, we need to return to our roots, where we welcome new members and guide them thru the culture instead of kicking them in the ass and intimidating them. It was the Brethren way, and needs to be reinstated. Without the new blood coming in, things would shrivel up and die off.
Jorge recently posted about the disposal of the term "Noobie" when used in a derogatory sense. There's more to just using the term and slighting the new members. Without the new folks coming into our forum, and I am addressing the long term members here, who do YOU think will be the backbones of our forum in a year or 2, when you're bored, tired and done answering all the same questions? II - The second level members are the ones that have been here for a while.
They understand our culture, they are still very active. They are the ones that are in the forefront posting 20-30-40 posts a day if not more. They are first out of the gate to answer questions, they are posting photos, creating videos, creating threads just for the sake of sharing. There is still the excitement, the passion of the craft. They are the lifeblood of this forum. They are the ones who will keep us alive as the level one folks move up.
There is a hidden ugly side facing level 2 folks. The naysayers, which I will address later.III - The level 3 folks. These folks have been here for years. They have seen it all, they have answered it all.
Although they are somewhat still active here in different ways, the passion is gone. No more photos, no videos, they don't even post those "hey look what I did" threads anymore. They let the level 2 folks answer all the questions and will chime in when they see something omitted, or feel they can offer something different. They are the elders, burn out is setting in but they are still well in the mix.
IV - Level 4. They come by to visit, send some PMs to friends, look at the forum index, see nothing interesting. Leave.
Post count changes by single digits monthly if at all. This is due to various things such as being totally burned out, or life has gotten in the way, or they found a new hobby that's in the forefront. Some found a new forum, fresh faces, fresh feel, where due to experience and smaller numbers, they again can be the big fish in the little pond. etc.
It's inevitable, no one stays at a forum forever. Some are gone with fond memories, and drop in to say hi occasionally, where others move on to other places and tell stories of how we over moderate, are to politically correct, or kiss up to everyone. It's all part of evolution and a lifecycle. We are a premiere BBQ forum with numbers and traffic second to none. We will be here today, tomorrow and next year, but we MUST retain our unique feel and charter.

I am sure many reading this will see themselves in one of those categories or somewhere in between. Not everyone will burn out, many of us are here to stay, and those that do burnout do it at different paces. What needs to be done is recognize the evolution and accept it in a positive way, possibly taking a break and making an effort to devolve to a more favorable level. It seems that as some folks get to the later stages they become like an ornery old man who feels an entitlement for being 90 years old, and steals the football from the kids playing football in the street. Them young whipper snappers. I'd prefer to be the old guy with the wisdom that the kids respect and come to for help, instead of lighting the bag of dog crap on my porch.

6 - Appreciate those that ask, those willing to learn, and those willing to teach.

It's what we do. Our charter as defined on the Welcome page: (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/../whowhatwhere.htm)


• To promote the art of low and slow thru education, friendships, and camaraderie
.• To assist our members to produce the best BBQ they ever made, and thru this food, comes our ability to educate the public, our friends, our family, to what is REAL BBQ.
• To build the best knowledge base on the internet for BBQ.
• To maintain an open mind that there is NO ONE WAY, and No perfect cooker. We live by the fact that it is the cook not the cooker, its the passion not the steel, that produces great BBQ. We support and respect all techniques and all pits.
• To encourage those that have even the slightest interest or curiosity in Competition BBQ to get out there and compete. Our new and our veteran competitors are here to help you take that walk to the podium.
• Most important, To have FUN. To enjoy our craft, to enjoy our friendships and to build on the passion that lets us go to bed smelling like smoke and wake up with soot on our pillows.


We are students, we are teachers, we are mentors. When we coined the phrase "From the Backyard to the American Royal" it had a dual meaning. It describes our membership ,which spans the backyard cooks to the seasoned competitor. It also defines the journey of our backyard enthusiast who has the ultimate goal of making it to the American Royal. Here is the place they have chosen to learn and to find the folks who will accompany them on that journey. For those of you who have been here for 5 or 6 years, remember the jubilation we all felt when one of us got our first walk in a local contest, or when it was YOU, who thru the help of fellow Brethren were the one to take that walk. However, what I have seen recently is a shift, a shift where folks have belittled or abused those that are teaching, that are sharing, that are the ones doing what we are here to do. I have seen it in public and private.. How can it be justified to find fault in anyone who is sharing their experiences or knowledge?

As a sidebar, another pet peeve of mine regarding questions being asked by members;
The response "use the search button" to a person asking a question, in my eyes is pure bullchit. With a million posts to search thru, and some of the information being 7 years old, that search can and will pull up so many answers, it's impossible to tell what may or may not apply today. I for one will give a different answer today about a cooking technique that I may have given 3 years ago. My experience, my equipment, my techniques all may have changed. The correct thing to do is offer an answer, and possibly link back to some supporting archived information. But do NOT shoot the person down for asking the question.

Another related issue; To the naysayers(as mentioned earlier), the ones who do NOT answer the question, but pisses on the shoes of those who did, or worse, belittles or rags on people who ARE willing to share, who ARE posting photos, videos, documenting their exploits in painstaking details. I have seen comments like know it all, post pumper, here we go again, same old chit, etc....all directed at someone who answered someone's question, or posted a photo, or started a thread that was not solicited, just because they wanted to share information. WTF? People are getting pissy because information posted has been covered before.? Geez... that's why we left the pit crew and why we formed The Brethren. So we're free to discuss whatever we wanted regarding our craft. Free to share experiences, free to learn, to teach, or to just chatter. If someone randomly shares an experience no matter how basic, or mundane, and ONE PERSON learned something from it, then we, as a group have done our job. But to belittle those teaching? YOU have forgotten when you were still learning and some simple techniques were astounding. You have forgotten when YOU were the one jumping out of the gate to show off and share your new techniques. Unless YOU are willing to take on the task, you have no right to chastise someone who does.

Some are at a stage where they feel they have seen it all. Ok, hat's fine, but the entire force of new members, those that are here to learn and absorb all they can, have not seen it all. Conversely, the entire force of members still willing to participate, to mentor, to teach are living The Brethren Charter. They are the ones keeping things alive, as are the ones who are excited to view the photos, watch the videos, learn from those more experienced. We are here to teach. Do not belittle our teachers. Instead, remember back when u were learning, or when you were teaching. Devolve and become again the mentors you once were. Share your experiences, no matter how boring you think it is, because I guarantee, there is someone out there that will appreciate it, and thank you for it. Don't become the ornery old man stealing the football from the front lawn. Which leads to the next one.

7 - Remember when YOU were starting out.
No reason to say too much here.

Remember when you photographed everything?

Remember when you were cooking those briskets, took the pictures, sliced it, and came in and posted all about the past 16 hours of your life?

Remember when the first place you read in the morning, and the last place you read at night, was this forum, just to see what your friends were doing, or if they responded to your posts yet?

Remember when one of the Brethren was staying up all night to cook a brisket, and you were here typing away keeping him company

Remember when one of us was having trouble with a run away pit and stalled butts and we were here for hours walking him thru it in real time.

Remember when a dozen of us stayed up all night while KCquer was at a contest freaked out and we walked him off the ledge.

Remember when Jeff_in_KC was doing the American Royal as his first contest, and we walked that path with him.

I remember the phone calls, the emails... The camaraderie that did and still makes us unique. That's what "The Brethren" is all about. Friendships, respect, and that accepted fact that there is no one way.

Every one of us is here to share our unique individualized knowledge and make this the best BBQ knowledge base on the planet, and with that comes some of the best friendships you can make in a lifetime. It's time to get back on track folks. Go back and read our early threads, and see the formation of "The Brethren Spirit", and next time you feel so inclined to pop off because u misread a thread, or took it the wrong way, ask yourself if you really think people are here to piss on your shoes..

8 - And Finally, The Compification.

Not so much a problem, but something I'd like to get off my chest. Another sore spot for me is what's been tagged as The Compification of the Forum. Or the Us v. them attitude between a small group of members.

The Backyarders v. The Competition cooks. Obviously, that term is something coined by some backyard enthusiasts who don't like the Competition chatter.. Well, too bad. Its ironic that the ones who claim it breeds the us v. them attitudes, are the ones breeding it. We have been called a Competition BBQ site by some whereas others claim we cater to the backyarders. Yet to a few here, its been said that the competitors are taking over. Oh, get over it and look at the facts.

The stats speak for themselves.


Qtalk, our backyard and general cooking section contains, as of this writing, 505,000 posts and 31,500 threads.



The Competition forum contains 107,000 posts and 5,300 threads.



Qtalk has nearly 50% of the overall activity of ALL FORUMS COMBINED.



Qtalk is 400% more active than Competition.



Add to that that EVERY competition cook cooks backyard also, and the weight of the chatter swings solidly into the Backyard. So, basically, "The Compification" is a fallacy.


The difference is that the competitive cooks ALSO cook backyard, whereas many backyard folks do not cook competitively. Because of this, you see the competition cooks also posting in Qtalk, and yes, sometimes the answers cross over. As a competitive cook myself, sometimes competition techniques make their way into everyday cooking. This is not to say the answers don’t apply, but where as some folks would prefer Qtalk be sanitized of any comp techniques, its just not feasible or realistic when nearly all competitive folks cook backyard most of the time. It’s the nature of the beast, there's nothing that can be done. It is what it is, accept it.

So there we have it... many issues, that over the past several months have come to a head and NEEDED to be addressed. Maybe you can call this the state of the brethren, but i would prefer to see it as reinforcing our long standing direction. Hopefully this is all we will need to realize where things were headed, and fro both membership and staff to acknowledge the issues and be aware. Spring is here and I am sure we will find new outlets for winters frustrations, but these are now out on the table and we will be moving on them.

Sorry for the dissertations, but something needs to be done to restore our culture before it gets out of hand and we become nothing but just another BBQ forum. These issues were a collection of things that needed addressing, and much of this is based on member feedback, not only our staffs observations. Our approach at the start of this realignment will be passive. I leave it up to you folks to do the lions share to get us back on course. Self moderating, self policing, and for the established members to guide our new folks with a gentle nudge instead of a swinging ax. The support staff will be taking some new approaches too, and hopefully our Sr members will be here to assist. If we cannot do this passively, we will follow up with more aggressive action and moderators will use all tools at their disposal, which will include placement into full moderation, and temporary and/or permanent deactivation of accounts.

We will be putting in new moderators with new blood to keep pace and enforce our rules. The moderators WILL be taking a more active and somewhat more aggressive approach in keeping things on track. No longer will the jabs and antagonistic remarks slide. We will no longer allow posts and comments that are strictly there to antagonize to remain, nor we we allow repeat offenders who insist on pushing buttons and pissing on shoes to continue their trends.

So, its up to you folks. We get back on track, resurrect the Spirit of The Brethren, Our senior folks that have fallen out need to engage, our existing bloodlines continue what your doing; teaching, mentoring, sharing your experience, and our new guys, prepare for the obsession that has become a large part of many of our lives.

Midnight Smoke
03-28-2010, 11:20 PM
The BBQ Brethren. Back to our roots.

Every one of us is here to share our unique individualized knowledge and make this the best BBQ knowledge base on the planet, and with that comes some of the best friendships you can make in a lifetime. It's time to get back on track folks. Go back and read our early threads, and see the formation of "The Brethren Spirit", and next time you feel so inclined to pop off because u misread a thread, or took it the wrong way, ask yourself if you really think people are here to piss on your shoes..

Very well spoken Phil. I know that for myself after being here just a short time that I have had the wrong attitude at times regarding some posts. The blessing is, I kept most of my thoughts to myself.

Thanks for having to best BBQ Forum on the net!

~Terry

SmokinAussie
03-29-2010, 04:15 AM
Well, I for one love this place... Many people have requested friendship, and I've done the same. I think about all my new friends everyday and wonder what they are doing... what they're going to come up with next...

I've been here long enough to see things asked over and over again, and different people respond all the time. Maybe I don't see the complaints, flames and dogpiling because I'm a regular member only, but I now have a better appreciation for what it takes to run this forum, and I'll be mindful if someone does happen to pi$$ me off.

Clearly, Phil and the moderators are doing a lot of work behind the scenes to make this a great place to be. Let's all co-operate to make their lives a bit easier, and grow this goup of BRETHREN together..

Cheers!

Bill

lcbateman3
03-29-2010, 06:49 AM
I haven't been a member here long, not even a month yet. I have wasted a many an hour posting in the Woodpile, laughing and joking along with everyone. They made me feel right at home. I have spent many more hours, reading, reading some more and even reading some more. The wealth of knowledge here is expansive.

Yes we are not always going to see eye to eye, but at least we can act like adults and agree to disagree! Make the mods job easy so we can all continue to enjoy the forum.

bbq ron
03-29-2010, 07:30 AM
very nicely said and thanks :-P:-P

Warthog
03-29-2010, 07:52 AM
I consider myself a new member here. Been here several months. Phil I have gone through growing pains such as you have stated. I admin on another site not related to BBQ. I came here when I decided to purchase a smoker and got the bug. I have learned a lot in this forum and not had the misfortune of being degraded by any member here. I consider myself a backyard cook but considering competition in the future. To that means I have decided to take the KCBS judging class in two weeks. I am sure the moderator team will continue to do a fine job.Thank you for having a fine forum for everyone interested in grilling and smoking.
Ed

Jet2
03-29-2010, 10:39 AM
Phil - thanks for the post and thanks to you and the moderators for all that you do. I have learned a lot since I joined and hopefully have contributed some as well. This is a great place get and give advice and solve problems and get new ideas for cooking. I hope a few bad apples don't spoil the experience for everyone else!

Rodney
03-29-2010, 11:10 AM
I want you guys to know that I've been a member of online forums since about 1996 (in the form of e-mail lists), and being a person who is fascinated by human psychology and especially the "online personality" aspect of it, I've seen it all in terms of what can make a forum thrive or go down in flames. The common trait of all failed forums I've seen is an attitude of elitism and egos that go unchecked, whether with the forum founder or in members that aren't moderated. The common trait of successful forums is a handful of knowledgeable, courteous, non-ego-driven personalities (your "level 2" definition) that set the tone and expectations for the rest of the members. Members like me who have been around the block see this and fall right in line.

All of that said, this is hands-down the best run, most laid-back and free-flowing forum I've ever seen. It's a total pleasure to ask for and offer information here. Even when I posted pr0n of my MOINK balls that look just like everyone else's MOINK balls, people go out of their way to comment in a colorful manner about how they'd "hit that". When have any of you seen this kind of outgoing behavior anywhere else? I know I haven't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not running around looking for praise for everything I do, but it does make things fun AND it makes me want to drool over (and comment on) the next guy's MOINK balls, i.e. pay it forward.

I'm not trying to say that there's nothing wrong with the forum, but as a new user, I don't see it. I'm glad that the management here is keen enough to see those problems, however, and nip them in the bud before we ALL feel them. Great job, guys! I, for one, sincerely appreciate it. If the forum continues to run the way it is now, I see level 2 in my future for sure. Time spent on this forum is definitely a great investment in the hobby of backyard BBQ!!!

-Rodney

Jorge
03-29-2010, 11:12 AM
I don't think most folks will ever have a clue as to how much work Phil (BBQchef33) put into that post. From the glimpse I got it was substantial, at a time when he really didn't have the time to spare. That was a primary reason for his banning by the moderator team. If anyone thinks that Phil didn't pour his heart and intellect into that post they don't have a clue about who he is as a person.

My user tag has been changed today to reflect the new approach I hope I'll be able to take to moderating. The Grim Reaper is gone, and replaced by the Contemplative Reaper.

If you have a problem, I'm here to help. I want to hear about it. If you see a problem or issue developing, shoot me a PM if it doesn't merit using the 'Report Post' button. If you aren't comfortable sending it to me, but you have a relationship with another moderator then by ALL MEANS let them know! We may not be able to do anything about it at the time, or ever. But, it will be on our radar. If something is breaking, and we aren't aware of it there isn't anything we can do about it.

In the last year or so, the moderators have spent a lot more time putting out fires than we have performing services for members. Trust me, we'd much rather fix a problem with a poll (if possible) than deal with members scrapping with each other!

For the remainder of the year I'm hoping I don't have to put up a post in red to separate anyone!:cool: If I do, and you are involved, please take a look at the rules before complaining to me or anyone else. If, after that, you still think I'm wrong please shoot me a PM and tell me why. I'll be happy to take a look at it!

I want to be a maintenance man, and not a COP!:becky:

leanza
03-29-2010, 11:18 AM
Amazingly thoughtfull thread. Thanks.

DanPop
03-29-2010, 11:49 AM
Everything you said makes it sound like a site I'd love to be a part of, and why I joined here in the first place. There's always something new to learn about. Your dedication to the sight is great, and is appreciated.

Chef Jim
03-29-2010, 12:08 PM
Amazing thread. I consider myself to be very new here. One of the first things I read was about being a newbie. Thought it said a lot about this forum. I never thought newbie was a bad term, just a description.

I have always felt welcome and was immediately comfortable posting answers to members, along with the many questions I have. Not very many places that happens!

Phil, I suspected but really did not have a clue as to how much work is involved in making this work.

I have said it in posts before, this is the best forum I have ever joined, and I know it's because everyone cares. All 14000 of us. Wow that many!

Thank you, Jim

Saiko
03-29-2010, 12:17 PM
What has been taking place are the very things that we ran away from 7 years ago

Funny, that thought popped in my head a week or two ago. First the first time ever (at least I think), I had a post removed by a mod, for a crack I made about a hooters sign in a post in the BBQ section. I have to be honest here, my first thought was, wow, we have become what drove Phil from the yahoo group. But then I got to thunking, and that brings up the whole "change" thingy. With 14,000 plus members, we CAN'T be what we were 6 years ago. This post clears everything up perfectly.


What would you think of someone who comes to you at your party and says they are leaving because there is someone in the crowd of 200 that they don't like. WTF.. this isn't high school. IGNORE THAT PERSON, and enjoy the time with your friends. We are all adults, act like it.

I have never figured out this part. I have never reported a post or sent a PM to a mod about something I was pissed about. I just move on to the next post. We are all adults here, and your analogy of leaving a party of 200 because you didn't like one person is perfect! Couldn't agree more.

Great post, with a lot to think about!

Phubar
03-29-2010, 12:26 PM
I created the Brethren...just saying....:wink:

Thanks Phil (and all mods) for keeping us in line and letting us know what the Brethren is all about and how it should be!:hail:

jpw23
03-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Thanks Phil!!!:clap2:

Lake Dogs
03-29-2010, 01:13 PM
I've been an active member of many online forums over the years. There is the only 1 that's
truly worth a darn, and that's THIS one. Thanks Phil and the moderator crew for all
you do (and have done).

deguerre
03-29-2010, 01:31 PM
Thank you Phil. You expressed why I joined and why I will remain more eloquently than I ever could. As long as I am learning, I will always be new, no matter how many years I may belong. This forum is home, not just a discussion board.

Appreciation to all the Mods too.

bigmo
03-29-2010, 01:40 PM
Everything you said makes it sound like a site I'd love to be a part of, and why I joined here in the first place. There's always something new to learn about. Your dedication to the sight is great, and is appreciated.

Same here!

Smokin' D
03-29-2010, 01:40 PM
I don't post as much as I used to, in fact never did post very much, but I certainly do appreciate this forum and all members and admin very much.
The level of knowledge on this forum is second to none and my skills have improved dramatically over my short tenure. Thanks for the re-aligning post Phil and with the better weather coming along pics and new posts will be forthcoming. Hopefully I can impart a bit of wisdom as time goes by too. For all you do, this Smoke's for you!

flyingv4me
03-29-2010, 01:50 PM
Thanks not only to Phil and the moderators, but also to the amazing talents of the people on this board. I'm not a big poster (big, yes...but that's another story), but have enjoyed and learned so much from everyone. New folks and babbling farkers have all shown me a few things. Please keep posting! Thanks for an amazing site.

Bluesman
03-29-2010, 03:04 PM
I've only been here since the 1st of 2010. I found this site through Google looking for a recipe. I've been here, everyday for several hours a day, ever since. I never Q'ed before and after three months can say that I really didn't understand how to grill, thought I did. The things that I have learned are all because of this place, Phil, the Mods and above all the Brethren. The respect, freindship and laughs we share can only help us to be a more complete person. The recipes aren't bad either. The only problem I have, is that I keeep buying more toys. I have (2) grills, (1) WSM and a UDS build going. On January 1st of 2010, I had (1) Weber Grill. And, I have learned a ton about BBQ.

Thanks,
Bluesman

mbshop
03-29-2010, 03:24 PM
amen and thank you all !

chambersuac
03-29-2010, 03:26 PM
I can't imagine how much time and effort Phil and the moderators go through to ensure that this place exists. I am thankful that they do. The job they do must be taxing and trying. I have met some of the Brethren in person - and feel like I know many of you personally, even if we've never met face-to-face. That is partly because of the "Brethren spirit" - the thing that makes the Brethren what it is - the thing that the Mods and Phil work so hard to maintain. Since I joined last year, I have learned so much and my enjoyment of cooking Q has gotten so much greater, that I think I'm starting to drive my family and friends crazy with all my own "Q-talk". But, I wouldn't trade this group of any other. Thanks, everyone!

Jay Bird
03-29-2010, 03:44 PM
Everything you said makes it sound like a site I'd love to be a part of, and why I joined here in the first place. There's always something new to learn about. Your dedication to the sight is great, and is appreciated.

A long delayed thank you to all the moderators & Brethren who have contributed to my education & entertainment. :hail:

Divemaster
03-29-2010, 03:55 PM
Thank you Phil. There are times we forget how we started and all of the growing pains we have already gone through.

I remember when we hit 5,000 members and couldn't figure out how we could get much larger. We now know that it's all because of that dang UDS thread!

Thank you also for the slight shove back to why I started here... It was QTalk... I'll be back there soon, trying to help out anyone I can... Remember, with me, you'll always get an answer, it may not be the right answer but you'll get an answer...:thumb:

ZILLA
03-29-2010, 03:58 PM
Phil, I appreciate your efforts here and those of the moderators and the cutting board as well. It's a good thing to hit the reset button from time to time.

Moose
03-29-2010, 04:37 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write this, Phil...:clap:

txschutte
03-29-2010, 06:31 PM
Thank you Phil. There are times we forget how we started and all of the growing pains we have already gone through.

I remember when we hit 5,000 members and couldn't figure out how we could get much larger. We now know that it's all because of that dang UDS thread!

Thank you also for the slight shove back to why I started here... It was QTalk... I'll be back there soon, trying to help out anyone I can... Remember, with me, you'll always get an answer, it may not be the right answer but you'll get an answer...:thumb:
Much like Dive says, I need to look back. I posted a pic of every piece of meat, or anything that resembled meat in my first couple of years. After the nasty winter we had, I feel new again, like a rookie smoker. This place is the best. It's true I don't recognize some names, but I'm getting better. This is still our home, so let's not chit on the carpet.

Big fuzzy blue reacharounds to you, Phil!

slowerlowerbbq
03-29-2010, 07:33 PM
I think this is why I find myself coming back here almost daily since I first found this site 5 or so months ago: a group of people passionate about BBQ and always willing to help others by passing on their wealth of knowledge. This sentence really summed it up for me:

"I'd prefer to be the old guy with the wisdom that the kids respect and come to for help, instead of lighting the bag of dog crap on my porch. "

While I am a long way from having a wealth of knowledge, I love being able to help share whatever experience I do have. This really is the best site about BBQ on the net, bar none. Thanks to Phil and to all the mods for the incredible passion and time you put toward this site. And thanks to all the great members here who have offered me (and others) their advice, praise or just a friendly "how ya doin?". Y'all have really made this place feel like home. Thank You!

capri man
03-29-2010, 08:50 PM
what they all said X1000!!!!:clap2::clap2:

jacob
03-29-2010, 09:44 PM
I'm in; Thanks

swamprb
03-29-2010, 10:41 PM
Wait....you mean to tell me there IS a Complaints Dept.? All this time time I've been holding it in!

Whew! I feel better now!

Thanks for keepin' it on track Phil, Jorge, and all the Mods. I'd sure miss this place if it were gone.

LindaM
03-29-2010, 11:04 PM
Thanks Phil and all the mods. This is the one place I have to go to everyday at least when I can find the time. I been a member for years but I don't talk much, I try to listen to what everyone has to say.

Thanks again Phil and I know this came from the heart as I know you as the great person you are.

blues brother
03-29-2010, 11:22 PM
Its just not that hard to be NICE! But some people can't. That is life.
My thanks go out to Phil and all of the Mods.
This is a great forum and I look forward to the future with this group.

smoken don
03-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Very nice post sir! New to posting and will take it to heart.:thumb:

KnucklHed BBQ
03-30-2010, 12:39 AM
Hi. My name is Ryan, and I am a know-it-all asshat. I also over-use "...'s" to end too many of my sentences. For this I am sorry...

With that on the table, we should all be able to step back and laugh at ourselves and realize that Al Gore's interwebs do not revolve around you...

Lemme tell ya a story about why I think this place is so amazing... About 2 months ago I posted a thread about needing some help in Orlando, FL. My dad & I would be traveling from the west coast to FL and I needed a weber kettle and a UDS to display at a trade show there.

In no time at all, I had folks offering up their treasured and well loved cookers to a total stranger (and weirdo) that has only been a member (some might say nusance :wink:) here since October!

That's not all! 1 of them (Paul B) re-scheduled a family get-together so that he could drive from Daytona Beach (70 miles each way) not just to deliver his drum on wednesday evening, but drive back and pick it up on saturday afternoon too!

Then Augie drops everything and takes his kettle for a nice 45 min drive to deliver and then pick it up. Amazing, just amazing.

Even weeks after I thought Guerry had killed the thread, someone would resurrect it and another handfull of people would offer to help!
I had to turn people down! That sucked cuz it meant there was another brethren that I wouldn't get to meet!

I godda tell ya', I've never been a member of any other forum or posted a single word on a site until this one (I assumed everyone else on the internet was at least as big of an ass-clown as I am) And there is no way that there is a better bunch of folks than there is here.

And now we know why! We have an incredible team of mods and Poobahs that care about every single person that drops by. No one here is just another IP address, we all have names, faces, family's and 14,000 friends.

Now, I would like to see more threads from Phil... I feel like us noobs are kinda gettin ripped off, you know, margarita pork butts, Dr. Pepper parties and such... sure, we could all "use the search key" and probably have days worth of reading, but it would be way more fun for everyone to see new adventures! :becky:

Oh and BTW - I never would have joined here if it wasn't for swamprb suggesting it. All his fault.

Pyle's BBQ
03-30-2010, 12:47 AM
A few years ago when I was new to this forum. We were having a problems with a member. He ended up being banned. When it was brought to the general membership's attention I wrote the following:

"This is the first forum I have ever joined and am proud to be a member. I would be devastated if I did something to offend someone here and then be banned. I know we are all adults here and know the difference between right and wrong. I think that is missing from forums where "anything goes" Those places you feel protected by anonymity and say what ever you want with out taking responsibility for your statements.

That is what I truly like about this forum. Everyone of us is held accountable for our post. If you are not adult enough to take responsibility for your post then this is not a forum you will like."

Phil thanked me for the post and to this day I stand by this statement.

Thank you Phil and Moderators.

Desert Dweller
03-30-2010, 09:06 AM
Thanks Phil, Mods, Members, et. all,.

I am one of those who still post threads under the "Look what I have done" category, and I thrive on the feedback. Those of you who encourage me have stimulated my creative side with my cooking, and I love it! Thank you!

I have watched, with interest, how the number showed for how many of us are looking at Q-Talk at a time has grown, and known by that, that our membership was a lot larger than 1.5 years ago when I started here. I wondered at the work and cost of maintaing and upgrading our system to accomodate what we have become and what we will evolve to. It's obvious that the job is made harder and more difficult to moderate as we grow. (Caring for one child is tough, but try running a very large pre-school... That is the parallel that came to mind.)

I, for one, will try to moderate my own posts, and remember that I am under an obligation of choice. I am obligated to give away in life, that which was given freely to me; To wit, the advise and counsel of knowledgable and generous souls who landed on this planet b4 me.

Thank you.

cmcadams
03-30-2010, 09:21 AM
Phil's post makes me think of which category I fall into, and, sadly, I realize it's not the one I prefer to consider myself a part of. This is due to circumstances in life, etc., not wanting to bore people with every single photo I take (trust me, I take many, many more than I post!).

I will say that some of the truest people I know are part of my life because of this place, and I need to step it up a bit, too. I don't think I'm one of those hat things (isn't that a tattoo on a woman's lower back?).

Thanks for the reminders, Phil.

MTHank
03-30-2010, 10:02 AM
Thanks Grand Poobah for this post… and "THIS SITE" :clap2:

Maybe I have offended some on here, I don't really know... If I have you have my sincere apology(s) and that may attribute to the replies I get when I asked that “question that has already been discussed” and I get told so by a Brethren member. My fault for not using “search” or “FAQ”… My apology again. Maybe I took these answers to seriously because I see other discuss questions in depth over and over, so I don’t visit this site as often as I used to. I am still interested in the back yard cooking and I will get back to finishing my UDS and try to “search” for my questions “before” I ask! And thanks to all of you who have helped me in the past… Being no expert to “Qing” I won’t be able to help with answers (sorry!), but I really do appreciate the help.

leanza
03-30-2010, 10:39 AM
Maybe I have offended some on here, I don't really know... If I have you have my sincere apology(s) and that may attribute to the replies I get when I asked that “question that has already been discussed” and I get told so by a Brethren member. My fault for not using “search” or “FAQ”… My apology again. Maybe I took these answers to seriously because I see other discuss questions in depth over and over, so I don’t visit this site as often as I used to. I am still interested in the back yard cooking and I will get back to finishing my UDS and try to “search” for my questions “before” I ask! And thanks to all of you who have helped me in the past… Being no expert to “Qing” I won’t be able to help with answers (sorry!), but I really do appreciate the help.

Bro, I hope you will reconsider and just ask your questions because, I think in your asking, you will have addressed the heart of Phil's comments. Thanks.

Rodney
03-30-2010, 10:41 AM
Thanks Grand Poobah for this post… and "THIS SITE" :clap2:

Maybe I have offended some on here, I don't really know... If I have you have my sincere apology(s) and that may attribute to the replies I get when I asked that “question that has already been discussed” and I get told so by a Brethren member. My fault for not using “search” or “FAQ”… My apology again. Maybe I took these answers to seriously because I see other discuss questions in depth over and over, so I don’t visit this site as often as I used to. I am still interested in the back yard cooking and I will get back to finishing my UDS and try to “search” for my questions “before” I ask! And thanks to all of you who have helped me in the past… Being no expert to “Qing” I won’t be able to help with answers (sorry!), but I really do appreciate the help.

According to Poobah Phil, asking questions that may come up in a search *shouldn't* be looked upon as a bad thing. I personally find it kind of annoying when someone asks a question that was answered very clearly in the previous page of the current thread, but I'd never call him on it. I think what Phil's saying is don't be afraid to ask a question if you can't *quickly* find the answer to it. I've been in forums before where I felt considerable pressure to search and search for an answer before asking a question because more often than not, the answer to the question would be "been there, done that... use the search button ya n00b!" Pretty annoying, and not conducive to free-flowing dialog! I'm definitely with Phil on this one, and appreciate his perspective.

As a sidebar, another pet peeve of mine regarding questions being asked by members;
The response "use the search button" to a person asking a question, in my eyes is pure bullchit. With a million posts to search thru, and some of the information being 7 years old, that search can and will pull up so many answers, it's impossible to tell what may or may not apply today. I for one will give a different answer today about a cooking technique that I may have given 3 years ago. My experience, my equipment, my techniques all may have changed. The correct thing to do is offer an answer, and possibly link back to some supporting archived information. But do NOT shoot the person down for asking the question.

Big George's BBQ
03-30-2010, 11:15 AM
That is an amazing post Phil. Very well written and thought out. You and ALL of the MODs do a tremendous job. This is a Great Place. A Place that one can call home and be part of a very large and fun family. Thank You

Porky
03-30-2010, 12:08 PM
Thanks Phil, I love this place of ours.

Old Smoke
03-30-2010, 10:47 PM
Phil
I am one of the newest (1 week) members of this form. So far I have read many, many posts and have even posted a few replys.
I was refered to this forum by "Cowgirl" because "it was a very freindly and happy group." :-D It has been a great place to "hang out" and learn stuff.....Many THANKS to you and all of the folks that started and kept this thing going so that we who are new to the craft can reap the benefits of your hard work.

Thanks Again
Rick

Stoke&Smoke
03-31-2010, 01:08 PM
I have been here a little over two years now. This is, bar none, my favorite website on the net! To be honest, I still feel kind of like a "newbie" so usually defer suggestions and answers to those more experienced, but I will try to answer more questions as best I can.

This site goes WAY past assisting others in our fine craft/pastime! I have seen many examples of this group comforting folks in time of need, of loss, etc. As has been stated previously, there are also many examples of folks offering assistance far beyond the written word to folks who are, for all practical purposes, total strangers.

I hope never to see a day when a few loose cannons cause our Poohbah and the mods to "pull the plug" It would truly be a great loss!

Thanks Phil, and all the mods, for the great job you all do!:clap2::clap2::clap2:

So glad I was pointed here years ago!! (Thanks RonL!)

Jbomb
03-31-2010, 01:51 PM
I have been around for awile, and sometimes don't post much but do read alot. I have always felt welcome and love the site and how it is run. I would like to say thank you all who have helped me learn and grow as a BBQ GUY! And in an effort to help make things a little bit better I will try and post and share more. It is what makes this place go around. It gives me goose bumps to know people are trying to keep this place for what it was founded for. Good People. Thank you!

The Pigman
03-31-2010, 07:16 PM
I would like to thank Phil and everyone who over the years have helped me along the way. With out all of you i would be lost. I have made some very good friends here and wish I could be with them more over the course of the year. BBQ people are the best find in friends.

I hope this fourm florishes well into the future and so many more people join and learn what we all have learned.

Ye Olde Party Palace
03-31-2010, 10:18 PM
I too am new to the forum. I found it through another site, and read a "lot" of threads in the forum before I joined. I guess the reason that I did join was due to the willingness of the other members to help one another in the quest for the "ultimate" barbeque. I know that I have gained a ton of info in the one month that I have been a member of the forum. I have a lot of new recipes and ideas to try that have been gained through this new found group of friends. I just hope that occasionally I might be able to help others with things that have worked for me.

Phil, if what you wrote doesn't get everyone on track, then maybe they need to find a forum that appreciates their expertise. :thumb:

Paulmark
04-01-2010, 09:25 PM
Thanks Phil, I found something here that I can really embrace, people that have the need to feed. I love posting my cooking...maybe it's being a show off..I don't know, but I love the comments from everyone. The great ideas and knowledge I've gleened from this forum along with the friendships are priceless. I think the the things you've brought up are the same type of things you'd expect to teach when you raise a kid or kids. If people just followed the golden rule of treating people like you want to be treated we'd have no problems.

Trainwreck
04-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Thank you Phil and all of the mods for all the hard work you do and have done to make this place the only place to be. And thank you for allowing me tob be a part of this family.

JD McGee
04-03-2010, 11:00 AM
Two cups of coffee, a glass of orange juice, and a bowl of oatmeal later...I am (and will continue to be) a proud member of The BBQ Brethren.

This year my friend (and team mate) swamprb and I have the opportunity to truly go from our back yard...to The American Royal...how farkin' awesome is that! We owe a great deal of our success to the many members of this forum...thank you all!

Phil...my hat's off to you brother smoker. I hope one day (very soon) to be able to visit with you over a few cold ones and a good stogie! :cool:

JD

Jeff Selle
04-03-2010, 12:58 PM
I am so happy to have found this forum, and as a noobie, I have tried to be respectful. I think I have made a few cultural mistakes and I definitely try to learn from those... But I have had some great experiences on this forum in the short month that I have been here... all of you folks that built and maintin this forum deserve a major THANKS from all of us for creating such a wonderful resource.

CHARBBQ
04-04-2010, 06:13 PM
thanks Phil! it's the way it should be.

jdub
04-08-2010, 11:18 AM
Funny to see right now (GOOD to hear, though). I am involved in one other website (fishing) that is IMO coming unglued. One could take Phils post from here and it would address every issue that other place has, every darn one.
I guess, after a few years, we are all finding the nature of an online community.
That said, I have often used this site as a PRIME example of a well run, well "behaved" website. Phil's tome is a prime example of my observation, the leaders here are addressing the issues openly and in front of the problem. The alternative is to wait till things go completely bananas, and the only reply from the leadership at that point is "shut up or you're all out".
So thanks for the talk Phil, I will try to answer a few questions and drop by more often. In turn I gotta tell you, this place is doing fine, and from the looks of it will continue to do so (I'm really not a suck up-can I have your BGE?).
Cheers Brethren.

momb
04-08-2010, 03:36 PM
I came here because my son said read this. I haven't said much because my experience is neither back yard nor comp, but cooking for large groups for free to support an organization. My view of the Brethren is that you all are so helpful and giving and seem to have the spirit that glows from within. I can see the love of BBQ here. There is no place here for hurting comments and plies of bad words meant to send folks still learning to the curb. Just my 2c Mary

Gore
04-09-2010, 07:33 PM
I've never been a part of any forums until this one. I've snooped around for information here and there in other topics that interested me more, but this one was SOOOOO welcoming. There was so much positive energy that it made me feel good. I could see sometimes mediocre pictures and people always finding positive things to say and pointing out constructively how to make improvements. I never, at least that I can remember, saw anyone providing any nastiness that I saw in other forums. Credit the mods for that, and the politeness of those here. In any case, it certainly put my guard down and I actually began posting instead of lurking for many months.

One thing that I soon had to realize was to leave the sarcasm at home! There is no sarcasm button and people can too easily misinterpret your thoughts and intentions. I have seen few "problems" here, but I would say almost all of the ones I have seen have been a result of simple misunderstandings. Certainly I have read posts and thought "this person did not realize how this might be taken when it was posted," and many times I have deleted what I was going to write, or ended up holding my breath hoping that what I said wasn't taken the wrong way. Unless it is really over the top, sarcasm can be difficult to convey in forum posts and few people have no insecurities. This can be a deadly combination. Thanks Phil and mods for all the work you do.

cheez
04-12-2010, 07:56 AM
I'd like to echo the many thanks to Phil and them moderators and all who keep these forums running. I have been here since the beginning, but certainly don't complain that we've grown too large, or that new people ask too many questions, or anything like that. Yeah my post count is low, but I don't mind... I post when I have something to offer, though I recognize that many others have more knowledge and experience than I have. I still love to pop in when I can, but am often too busy or on the road working and can't participate in the daily give-and-take. That's ok, I still tell people about you guys, still come here for ideas, techniques and recipes when I need them, and I certainly am grateful to our guys in charge for keeping me in all of the forums and such because I was here from the start, even though I am only a sometime participant. I read, I smile, I learn, and sometimes I say something. This seemed like a good time to say something. Thanks Brothers!

Ribbin' Randy
04-17-2010, 08:15 AM
Thank you Phil. You're writing is one of the most thoughtful, cogent, and from the heart pieces I've read.

frognot
04-19-2010, 10:26 PM
Phil, you and the mods do an incredible job that's appreciated more than y'all know. i truly a honored to be a Brethren and will try my best to be a good guest.

jgh1204
04-21-2010, 08:51 AM
I don't think most folks will ever have a clue as to how much work Phil (BBQchef33) put into that post.



Are we sure Phil wrote it? Not enough typos. Maybe he had it transcribed. :-P

jgh1204
04-21-2010, 04:27 PM
One thing I would like to add. I don't really discuss my cooks anymore because I really don't like to post pictures unless it is really something special. And the "no pics didn't happen" police discourages me from posting.

I do appreciate people who post pics but some of us just are not inclined to do so.

BBQchef33
09-13-2010, 11:01 AM
.
Bump!!!
.

Yakfishingfool
09-13-2010, 02:27 PM
Good job Poo!

deguerre
09-13-2010, 02:50 PM
Well worth the read again. Thanks Phil.

4dueces
09-13-2010, 10:26 PM
Thanks Phil. As a newer member, March of this year I have learned more than I could ever have imagined from this website. Thanks for all of your and the mods efforts to make this the best BBQ website. I have extended friendship requests as well as receiving some as well. Great people make great friends.

boogiesnap
09-23-2010, 08:44 PM
poo, and all members. i am VERY PROUD to be a brethren.
it took VERY little time for me to understand the extraordinary culture all the members here have established.

this place is about PEOPLE and it shows.

it isn't just a lit screen with words, so far from it.

it's hard to put into words, but i must thank everyone. i love being here.

you all are my friends, mentors, students, and sometimes competition. :-P

quick story.
at my first comp.
brethren my next door, back door, and across the way neighbors.

across the way brethren saw my wife and i were doing putting greens and showed us how to do them quicker and easier. real people helping real people. brethren style!

back door neighbor offered their brand new 40' trailer for us to cool off in any time, countless tips, great advice, and a nice visit inside their trailer after turn ins. again, real people helping real people. brethren style!

next door neighbor i stayed up with until 3AM(twist my arm to have another beer)until his partner came to relieve him. during which time a rain storm came(if you could call it that!!!!)and i stood in between his pop up and mine, some nice gutter action right there, holding down both our tents for a good hour or 2. would i have done it if he wasn't a brethren, really most likely yes, BUT, the fact that he was brethren, made it MANDITORY I HELP! brethren style! because i know for a fact that if i needed something he would be there.

this is the spirit of the family, and what makes it so special is that it transfers from the computer to real life and back.

it is truly a unique community.

---k---
11-18-2010, 11:57 AM
I've been around a few different forum blocks (non-BBQ). After hanging around this place for the last month or so, this place is definitely one of the best run forums that I've seen. Almost daily, I'm shocked and amazed by the true, sincere friendship and love I see expressed within the posts. The level of effort and love the mods and admin pour into this place is obvious within their posts. The admins and mods should be celebrated - many of the users also. :thumb: (maybe this post did it's job before I got here? :-P)

I'm recently new to BBQ and this site, but I feel like I've found a home. I look forward to getting to know all of you better and calling you "friend". Well done everyone! :thumb:

Wrench_H
11-18-2010, 02:45 PM
I'll add my two cents to this as well. I am a programmer by trade, so often have to search forums and blogs for little tips and answers, and there always seems to be a snarky, demeaning spirit to these things, mostly I think from people's ability to sit invisibly behind their keyboards and say the things that they wouldn't say face to face. That being said, I am fairly new to BBQing, and only get to do it a couple times a month which often causes me to ask questions that I'm sure have been answered multiple times and would be considered 'dumb' or 'newbieish'. I have not once felt belittled on here or been told to 'look it up', and I truely appreciate it. I have often been amazed that there isn't more of that type of attitude here, but after reading this post, and the didication that the folks running this place seem to have, it certainly makes sense. Thanks, to BBQChef33, all the moderators, and all the helpful folks out there. Now, enough of this sappy stuff, I've got a loin that needs to be glazed :-P

chambersuac
11-18-2010, 03:13 PM
For the new folk, in case you haven't introduced yourself in the Cattle Call section, please do so. If you have, and I missed ya, welcome.

This place is so incredible because of the Grand Poobah and the moderators help foster a great atmosphere. When we do screw up, they warn us and/or "mod us" and we get back in line.

That being said, the members here, too, are awesome. Spend some time looking at old posts. You'll see charity events, charitable acts, great tips about everything (even non BBQ related stuff) and a lot of good natured ribbing.

Thanks to one and all who contribute to this place. You are truly special, in my opinion.

Arlin_MacRae
11-18-2010, 04:14 PM
As a moderator on this board and a regular member on several others that cover a wide variety of subjects I can say that there is no other place like this, and the core values that drive this place come straight from the Poobah. He has absolutely no problem smacking us moderators around behind the curtain, no matter how outnumbered he is, and it SHOWS.

Thanks tons for the warm fuzzies, everyone, but thank YOU the most, Phil.

Arlin

gtr
11-18-2010, 11:24 PM
Great post and shows why this is a special site. I'm not one to join anything - especially on the internet - but this place is obviously a little different from everywhere else. I see something great on here every day & once in a while I can share what little I know. This site is endlessly interesting & a living, breathing homage to one of the things that makes America great - bbq. It's about good food that is usually shared with family & friends - ain't nuthin' wrong with that.

BobBrisket
05-12-2011, 02:30 PM
Bump!

jacob
05-18-2011, 07:25 AM
I am and have been a proud member of this site for a little while now. I know from my own experience the fairness and respect given by the owner and moderators to every member. I speak from my own experience, early on in my tenure I may have caused a rock slide or two. They could have easily pushed a button but instead folks did for me like I would hope I can do for others. A gentle nudge a WTF ever so often and a group of folks that have always seem to be there to help when they could(our moderators.)

Now, I have so much respect and admiration for this site, I hope to always be a contributing member. I will work at not breaking any of our very fair rules. I will give it my best effort to keep this forum as it was when I first discovered it. I was indeed like a kid in a candy store and been told I could have anything I liked. (knowledge).

I have a photo-bucket account where I upload my pictures and videos. There are 1,959 photo's, 23 videos, 25 slide shows. All were uploaded for the soul purpose of posting on this forum. And all of these at one time or another have been posted here to share cooks, life and family.


Yeah, this is a very cool place to hang out and learn, make new friends.

It's because of Pooh and all the moderators and their rules that I can express myself in the post above. I have never been over moderated(And I have been Moderated once I think:wink:) or treated unfairly by any one of these Brethren.

J

grossepellets
05-26-2011, 02:08 PM
You moderators do a lot of work! great Post that must have taken a long time to write. I dont know where Id be without this place - the more I learn the more questions I have

The Grill Sergeant
05-28-2011, 01:26 AM
Dear Poob:

I'm old, but I'm relatively new here. The Brethren have allowed me to elevate my interest in smokin, q'n & grillin to a "craft". On Father's Day I have been invited to teach the menfolk of a local family about it.

Hopefully, it will become a teach/learn-learn/teach opportunity.

I've asked questions and received answers. I've seen questions and provided some answers.

I like it here for that reason!

As far as I'm concerned, the 15 menfolk that I will be meeting on father's day will be introduced to only one q'n enthusiasts group and that will be this one. I can't think of a more robust group of enthusiasts that I would rather be associated with.

You've made me smile. You've made me laugh out loud! And, you've shared your "secrets" - openly and unabashedly! Thank you one and all.

As for the drama??? I reserve the right to "change the channel" at any time. You and your mods have done an excellent job of preserving the "culture"!

Thank you for being here! Thank you for being EXACTLY what I needed - when I needed it!

Though we don't know one another personally, I see what you have created and I stand ready to salute!

bbqbull
07-01-2011, 08:33 PM
Bumpity Bump!

tish
11-16-2011, 02:39 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to write that missive, Phil. I realize it was directed towards folks who've been here for a bit already, but as a newbie, I learned from it, too. I hadn't stopped to realize how annoying my questions might be to someone who's heard them all before about 50 million times. So, now if I must ask, I'm trying to perhaps phrase it a little differently to ask what their experience or opinion has been, rather than just "what does this mean?" A small difference, but it might make it more palatable to some. Just to let you know... I am reading before I ask. But as someone said, if it's taking me a while to find the answer, then I will ask. At least I know now not to come right out and ask as soon as the question strikes me. Thanks again. ;-)

deguerre
04-22-2014, 09:43 PM
Link, Hell! I'm bumping this.

KnucklHed BBQ
04-22-2014, 10:10 PM
^^^^ should be banned for suckin' up! :becky:

Nice bump Guerry! :thumb: