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RubMeTender
02-22-2010, 07:58 AM
How many Grand or Reserve Grand Champions do you think people need to win before it's time to move up to Pro?

ZILLA
02-22-2010, 08:03 AM
I thought if you were competing for money you were a pro.

Capn Kev
02-22-2010, 08:13 AM
I agree. If you've earned $$ from winning a contest, you've moved into the "pro" category in my book. :wink:

Alexa RnQ
02-22-2010, 08:23 AM
"Need"? None! We jumped right in. http://www.divaherself.com/funny/shiner.gif

Divemaster
02-22-2010, 08:28 AM
"Need"? None! We jumped right in. http://www.divaherself.com/funny/shiner.gif
What ^^^^ said... Actually, we didn't really have an option, there weren't any back yard contests around us...

RubMeTender
02-22-2010, 08:29 AM
Even some of the smaller contests give small monetary awards for Grand and Reserve Grand. I just know there are teams winning Grand and Reserve Grand for years in Backyard and don't make the jump up.

Sauced!
02-22-2010, 08:34 AM
If i'm going to be out there spending the time cooking I want to have a shot at the biggest money possible. Backyard is not worth it imho.

bigabyte
02-22-2010, 08:49 AM
Go pro immediately IMHO.

Heavenly Hog
02-22-2010, 09:26 AM
From what I hear there is a huge difference between backyard and pro divisions in regards to the caliber of food turned in. I'm a rookie and Backyard entries are much more affordable. I vend a little to offset the costs. I think if you consistently get calls and grand/reserve wins in backyard, it's time to step it up. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to continue to crush the competition and not be rewarded monetarily with prize money. Maybe those teams are just filthy rich and like collecting trophies?

I know if I start getting alot of calls and grand/reserve wins, I plan to enter the big leagues.

Dan - 3eyzbbq
02-22-2010, 09:55 AM
We got crushed in a small tailgate competition and then decided to jump in and go pro. Its a challenge, but thats the fun of it.

RubMeTender
02-22-2010, 10:12 AM
Maybe I didn't word the question right.
If a team continues to win Grand Champions in the Backyard Category should they be forced to enter the Pro Category?

Ron_L
02-22-2010, 10:18 AM
There is no sanctioning body for backyard events, so that would be up to the organizer of each event.

Mo-Dave
02-22-2010, 10:21 AM
When I was entering Art contest the minute I won money I was forced to go pro.
Dave

RubMeTender
02-22-2010, 10:24 AM
There is no sanctioning body for backyard events, so that would be up to the organizer of each event.

Are you saying that KCBS and FBA don't sanction their backyard division at events?

G$
02-22-2010, 10:56 AM
Generalizing here .......

Backyard didn't really exist out here when we started. Even now, backyard means "burgers and chicken", not the "KCBS meats".

I am not sure why anyone would not do "Pro" competitions if they were cookign the classic BBQ meats.

Again, I generalize, but we are proof you do not have to be good to be a "pro". :lol:

Lake Dogs
02-22-2010, 11:27 AM
Dan, largely, in our area (yours and mine), if it's not sanctioned it's considered
a "back yard" comp. Some do sanctioned "style" without being sanctioned, others
just do a meat or two... Some backyard comps coincide with sanctioned comps...

As to should they be forced?... I guess it's really up to them, isn't it?

RX2006JE
02-22-2010, 12:55 PM
I started competing last year and did 3 backyard events. One was KCBS and we cooked ribs and chicken and the other 2 were FBA in which all 4 meats were cooked. We got calls in all competitions and the last one in FBA I did by myself and won reserve. I enjoy the backyard and until I feel more comfortable in my cooking flavor profiles in all categories I will stay in the backyard. I don't see the need to spend the extra money to compete as a pro if I am not ready to do so. If i can win in the backyard and get back my entry fee by winning the reserve or the grand then that is fine with me. For me it is not about winning the big bucks but about having fun at a hobby that I enjoy.

But as to being forced to move up I don't think that is a good move. Most of the backyard teams are usually local teams and just do it for fun for a weekend and not year round like the pro's. If you force them to move up and compete as a pro the next time they enter a contest they maybe likely not to enter.

DawgPhan
02-22-2010, 02:25 PM
Dont most backyard events that are the same weekend as "pro" events generally force the winner to do the "pro" event next year? Seems like that would be the best way to go about it...just give the grand in the backyard an entry into the pro for next year. I dont see why anyone would want to win multiple grands in backyard events and not just do the pro events.

Rub
02-22-2010, 04:37 PM
Are you saying that KCBS and FBA don't sanction their backyard division at events?

Hey Dan, good talking with you guys this past weekend. I can be very slow at putting 1+1 together and am just now making the connection :oops:

The FBA does not "sanction" backyard contests, only pro. We will provide the judging and scoring system for a backyard event being run along with a sanctioned FBA event if the organizer wants and pays for it. Sometimes the organizer has their own judges. So in essence it is as close as you can get to the real deal, without really being one. So on to your question, it is not up to the FBA to state when a team should move up to the pro side. Usually peer pressure takes care of these things. Myself and others convinced Team Unknown and Whiskey Bent to go pro, and they've been doing great ever since. Team Unknown has beat my butt the last 2 contests! :lol::eek::redface:

I have my own thoughts about it which have not been officially adopted yet by the BOD but we are still mulling it over. I think if you take any chance of winning $$ away from backyard events and make them trophies only, the problem will take care of itself. Seems like it would work to me.

watertowerbbq
02-22-2010, 07:26 PM
how many grand or reserve grand champions do you think people need to win before it's time to move up to pro?

0 :)

Contracted Cookers
02-22-2010, 08:20 PM
I would be G.C. every contest if it wasn't for bad judging. and me screwing up.

RX2006JE
02-22-2010, 08:26 PM
Rub I see where you are coming from and I wouldn't have a problem with the backyard not getting any cash prize, and it would not deter me from entering a contest on a backyard side versus a pro side if winning money was only available to a pro team. Many of the backyard events that I have seen don't even give enough money back for Grand or Reserve to even cover the cost of the entry so really it is not about the money in that instance just the shear competition between the teams and "bragging" rights. I cook for the fun of it and the spirit of a competition and not for the prize money, atleast at this point.

Just Smokin' Around
02-22-2010, 09:04 PM
Maybe I didn't word the question right.
If a team continues to win Grand Champions in the Backyard Category should they be forced to enter the Pro Category?

Yes, the organizer should not allow a winning backyard team to compete in that same backyard contest the following years. Backyard events are generally for teams trying to get there feet wet once or twice before moving up, or for those teams that compete once or twice a year but don't generally do well in the events but do them for the enjoyment. I don't think a team should be allowed to keep doing the backyard events year after year if they keep placing high overall.

smokeshowin
02-22-2010, 09:05 PM
Rub,you are right about peer pressure. After we took a couple of grands in backyard,all we heard was when the move to pro would happen. We did and took some lumps here and there. Of course, you'r the guy wearing the bullseye. It is nice to beat you or some of the other teams in any category now.
Most of us in the area know who Dan is referring to. I don't think that those.teams will ever go pro. I do think that once a backyard team wins a event,they should not cook backyard the next year. I did not see that until we were in that position and heard some of the comments made.

Artie

RubMeTender
02-23-2010, 08:26 AM
Hey Dan, good talking with you guys this past weekend. I can be very slow at putting 1+1 together and am just now making the connection :oops:

I have my own thoughts about it which have not been officially adopted yet by the BOD but we are still mulling it over. I think if you take any chance of winning $$ away from backyard events and make them trophies only, the problem will take care of itself. Seems like it would work to me.

Great talking to you as well Rub. I don't care what everyone says about you, you're alright with us.:wink:

Teams like Unknown and Whiskey Bent did the right thing and stepped up, and I did notice are beating you now. Maybe you gave them too much advice!
I completely get some teams entering backyard if they don't feel they are ready to make the jump because they don't get consistent finishes or only compete in 1 or 2 events a year. Not everyone is ready to step up to the big leagues.

RubMeTender
02-23-2010, 08:34 AM
Rub,you are right about peer pressure. After we took a couple of grands in backyard,all we heard was when the move to pro would happen. We did and took some lumps here and there. Of course, you'r the guy wearing the bullseye. It is nice to beat you or some of the other teams in any category now.
Most of us in the area know who Dan is referring to. I don't think that those.teams will ever go pro. I do think that once a backyard team wins a event,they should not cook backyard the next year. I did not see that until we were in that position and heard some of the comments made.

Artie

I think that with so many new teams coming out to cook in the contests, that some of them may get disenchanted with the whole process and not continue to enter. Which in turn would hurt the contests for the future.
If you are a seasoned team with years of contest experience and winnings under your belt it's time to move on, voluntarily or not.

We'll obviously continue to enter backyard because we are decent one contest and then suck the next. Good times. :-P

Lake Dogs
02-23-2010, 08:46 AM
I think that with so many new teams coming out to cook in the contests, that some of them may get disenchanted with the whole process and not continue to enter. Which in turn would hurt the contests for the future.
If you are a seasoned team with years of contest experience and winnings under your belt it's time to move on, voluntarily or not.

We'll obviously continue to enter backyard because we are decent one contest and then suck the next. Good times. :-P

Dan, c'mon in (out of backyard), the water's fine! Seriously, we stopped
the backyard thing right off and haven't regretted it. Mind you, we seem
to do like you describe, either bottom third of the pack (and just not good
at all), or top third with a few RGC's. We can't seem to find the middle... :icon_sad

For what its worth, you can put out the exact (and I mean EXACT) same
product week in and week out, score extremely well in one comp, then
score poorly in the next. It boils down to the 6 judges at your table,
their taste preferences, the other team's product at your table, and to
some extent where you fall (or more precisely, which one your entry
falls after) in the rotation at that table. If you're behind an entry that
is ghastly (like really salty, or way too much cayenne) you entry can
suffer, even though it may be fantastic (residual taste from theirs coming
in to yours; reference BBQ PitMasters last episode with Jamie's cayenne
experiment). Or, if the one before you is ok (not great, just ok) and
a disappointment, yours may be a pleasant surprise and be just the
right antidote... As my wife says, it's a crap shoot.

Mind you, I'm not blaming our bottom third scores on this (above); on
those outings we made our mistakes and suffered subsequently. To me,
that's part of the fun of it, learning I mean.

However, my point is that you can score just as well (on good days)
against the pro's. Might as well get in there and kick some butt. :icon_cool

RubMeTender
02-24-2010, 04:28 PM
I appreciate the peer pressure Lake Dog!
We need a few more contests before we step it up to the big dogs.
We just aren't at that level of cooking yet.
We might be the best smokers on our street, but we just can't afford to put up the extra money for Pro unless we have a *chance* to compete at that level.
But I'll tell you one thing, when we start getting close to cooking at that level we're going to man up.
Some teams still in backyard are that guy at the high school party who graduated 5 years ago. TIME TO MOVE ON.

T.K.
02-24-2010, 05:45 PM
It was a pleasure talking with you Dan and you too Rub in Haines City.

To answer your question Dan, I have done 2 FBA & 1 KCBS backyard and I think after Dade City I will go pro. I guess I will take the chance on the extra $100 or so additional entry fee in hopes to make it up on a call and who knows when luck will come into play.

Willie's Smokehouse
02-24-2010, 06:34 PM
i once spoke to these teams which you are referring to and they told me they would never step up to professional, they were only in it for the bragging rights

smoke showin'
02-24-2010, 07:13 PM
Dan you cook where you are untill you feel comfortable . The teams you are talking about won't stop cooking untill the organizers tell them they have to move up we have spoken with them about this. Here is my advice make it your mission to beat them and you will improve and move up nobody want to be known as KING of the backyard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!