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Jacked UP BBQ
02-16-2010, 07:43 PM
My question is in reference to sigs I am having made for my vending. We won two comps that were considered state championships, can I make signs that say NJ state champion and Delaware State champion? I do not want to make signs that are not actually considered real. Thanks for the Help.

Also if you took first in a category in a state are you considered state champion for that category? I have seen signs that say Brisket State champion or MD rib state champion?

U2CANQUE
02-16-2010, 07:54 PM
I would go with the name of the contest, and outcome....i.e. Maryland State Champion, Dover, Contest Name, 2009....

KC_Bobby
02-16-2010, 07:59 PM
I guess that might depend on how many state championships the states have - if a state only has one, I don't see who could argue.

HoDeDo
02-16-2010, 11:20 PM
Now look at Myron, he is a "x" time world champion.... but he counts his Whole Hog wins as "world Champion" in whole hog, not just overall wins... etc.

I think the rule is that if you feel you can back it, state it. There is definately some "detail" in fine print behind some of these titles...

IMHO, if you win a state championship event... you can call yourself a state champion. If you win a catagory... you can say, state champion - brisket.

Or if you are worried about someone splitting hairs, go with grand champion.
Now in NY, they have an Empire State champion, that can actually say they are the undisputed state champ...:twisted::twisted: That kicks arse. Just sayin'

Jacked UP BBQ
02-17-2010, 08:10 AM
Thanks guys!

timzcardz
02-17-2010, 08:20 AM
Now in NY, they have an Empire State champion, that can actually say they are the undisputed state champ...:twisted::twisted: That kicks arse. Just sayin'

Not necessarily true, at least until there is a unification competition, because the Empire State Championship doesn't include every NY State Championship competition. :biggrin:

LindaM
02-17-2010, 08:38 AM
Not necessarily true, at least until there is a unification competition, because the Empire State Championship doesn't include every NY State Championship competition. :biggrin:

It did include all NYS KCBS sanctioned events.

LindaM
02-17-2010, 08:40 AM
My question is in reference to sigs I am having made for my vending. We won two comps that were considered state championships, can I make signs that say NJ state champion and Delaware State champion? I do not want to make signs that are not actually considered real. Thanks for the Help.

Also if you took first in a category in a state are you considered state champion for that category? I have seen signs that say Brisket State champion or MD rib state champion?

Read the signs of other vendors. They streach the truth a little. If you won you won go with it. The only people who would complain are the the other vendors who already are doing it.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
02-17-2010, 09:02 AM
Read the signs of other vendors. They streach the truth a little. If you won you won go with it. The only people who would complain are the the other vendors who already are doing it.

I thought you had to be from the state to be the state champion, and that you didnt have to actually win the comp just be the highest finisher.

how does this play out as far as being the State rep for the Jack? Pa is doing a Govenors cup (awarded at NewHolland) based on Pa teams competing in Pa sanctioned comps?

KC_Bobby
02-17-2010, 09:09 AM
As far as last years Jack, the IA draw was from MO, the MO draw was from KS, the KS draw was a team split between one cook in KS and the other in MO. Which state a team is from has little to do with the Jack draw. But they do pick a team to represent every state that has a competition that is a qualifier.

monty3777
02-17-2010, 10:09 AM
If the day ever comes when I/we win a State Championship you can bet I'll call myself a State Champion. That's different from saying THE state champion. If you win it, own it!

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
02-17-2010, 10:19 AM
As far as last years Jack, the IA draw was from MO, the MO draw was from KS, the KS draw was a team split between one cook in KS and the other in MO. Which state a team is from has little to do with the Jack draw. But they do pick a team to represent every state that has a competition that is a qualifier.

very interesting.. 2 years ago PA didnt have a State rep. Pa Midnite Smokers got in because of their win in Dover Del. not for winning NewHolland PA. Im pretty sure that NH was the only Pa comp that year.

I guess my question is...can a state have a sanctioned contest and not be represented?

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
02-17-2010, 10:20 AM
If the day ever comes when I/we win a State Championship you can bet I'll call myself a State Champion. That's different from saying THE state champion. If you win it, own it!

you and me both brother!!!! What a thrill that would be (dream mod).

dudz
02-17-2010, 10:25 AM
Or if you are worried about someone splitting hairs, go with grand champion.
Now in NY, they have an Empire State champion, that can actually say they are the undisputed state champ...:twisted::twisted: That kicks arse. Just sayin'

I will someday win the empire state champ...:cool:

ique
02-17-2010, 10:32 AM
very interesting.. 2 years ago PA didnt have a State rep. Pa Midnite Smokers got in because of their win in Dover Del. not for winning NewHolland PA. Im pretty sure that NH was the only Pa comp that year.

I guess my question is...can a state have a sanctioned contest and not be represented?

They pull State Champions first. Doesnt matter where your home state is. After that if there are any home states not represented they add those teams to the invited list.

stlgreg
02-17-2010, 10:41 AM
Now look at Myron, he is a "x" time world champion.... but he counts his Whole Hog wins as "world Champion" in whole hog, not just overall wins... etc.


I think he calls himself a three time world champion.

At MIM, Myron's hogs scored high enough to win not only the hog category but the Grand Championship of MIM - a world championship. I think it was 2008 when he earned his third world title.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
02-17-2010, 10:43 AM
They pull State Champions first. Doesnt matter where your home state is. After that if there are any home states not represented they add those teams to the invited list.

makes sense!! thanks..

U2CANQUE
02-17-2010, 11:27 AM
Now in NY, they have an Empire State champion, that can actually say they are the undisputed state champ...:twisted::twisted: That kicks arse. Just sayin'....geee, and why would you be "just saying" something like that?:twisted:

Muzzlebrake
02-17-2010, 12:00 PM
Not necessarily true, at least until there is a unification competition, because the Empire State Championship doesn't include every NY State Championship competition. :biggrin:

it includes all the ones that count
:twisted:

lunchlady
02-17-2010, 03:54 PM
very interesting.. 2 years ago PA didnt have a State rep.


heyyyy... lunchmeat represented PA at the Jack two years ago!

The first time I ever saw a 'state championship' awarded at an event was at Pork In The Park in 2004. Sandy gives out Grand, Reserve Grand, and a Maryland State Champ (they come from MD) I kinda thought it was a Mid-Atlantic thing, very cool for those that live there, and a great way to get local teams to come out.

OC... I say put whatever you want on your banner... you are paying for it.
Whoever wants to get into it with you... best of luck to them.
You've got the bling , right?

Mike - CSBBBQ
02-17-2010, 05:38 PM
I agree it is your banner. Think about the signs Linda mentioned like the ones around you at Salisbury and DC last year. Several folks vending list all of their firsts (for the items they vend) as well as GCs State championship or not. You could just list 2009 if you choose...some list for the last several years or significant wins.

Got an email today buildasign.com is giving banners away again. All you pay is shipping which is reasonable.

Plowboy
02-17-2010, 08:59 PM
They pull State Champions first. Doesnt matter where your home state is. After that if there are any home states not represented they add those teams to the invited list.


And YOU know Jack. :wink:

HoDeDo
02-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Not necessarily true, at least until there is a unification competition, because the Empire State Championship doesn't include every NY State Championship competition. :biggrin:

No unification comp needed; this is all I have to say about that... and
I think my NY pitch beyotch would agree:
37368



I think he calls himself a three time world champion. At MIM, Myron's hogs scored high enough to win not only the hog category but the Grand Championship of MIM - a world championship. I think it was 2008 when he earned his third world title.
I can't remember how we figured it, but based on how it was portrayed on "pitmasters" show, there was a little creative license going on. I think they counted the hog you mention twice... once for world champ (for hog) and once for the world champ (for overall highest score).... Not Dissing Myron - just showing Matt another example of how he can word his wins.

I am the only National Brisket Champion for 2009, thanks to my Chest to Chest invitational win.... but technically the world brisket OPEN (not invitational) can also crown a "world" champ... for those who enter.

I think we need a new thread for best "Marketing modified" titles :twisted:

chopshop
02-17-2010, 10:20 PM
If you feel like a champ then you are. you can basically write anything you want. no kcbs approvals needed for vending signs. you won the state championship in nj. so what if they have a couple of them. you dont have to tell every customer the technicalities of each award you have won. maybe to figure all of this out each state should have a shoot out at the end of the year to see who has the rights to use state champion on their sign, kind of like state playoffs.

MilitantSquatter
02-17-2010, 10:27 PM
I am the only National Brisket Champion for 2009, thanks to my Chest to Chest invitational win.... but technically the world brisket OPEN (not invitational) can also crown a "world" champ... for those who enter.



Did you get buy-in from pigmaker on this claim ? :biggrin:

Check his forum signature

Eric Johnson
Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ Allstars
2009 Jack Daniels World BBQ Brisket Champion

HoDeDo
02-17-2010, 10:36 PM
Did you get buy-in from pigmaker on this claim ? :biggrin:

Check his forum signature

Eric Johnson
Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ Allstars
2009 Jack Daniels World BBQ Brisket Champion

Yep Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ Allstars is the world champion, I am just a national champion. 8) But, World Brisket Open also produces a world champ... and I would imagine houston livestock does too :icon_cool

KC_Bobby
02-17-2010, 10:51 PM
Who won the World Brisket Open? Brew N BBQ?

Plowboy
02-17-2010, 11:05 PM
Yep Mr. Bobo's Traveling BBQ Allstars is the world champion, I am just a national champion. 8) But, World Brisket Open also produces a world champ... and I would imagine houston livestock does too :icon_cool

Pork Pullin Plowboys
2009 American Royal International (aka World) Invitational Brisket Champion

Two can play that game.

KC_Bobby
02-17-2010, 11:07 PM
Was the Apple Blossom a state championship? If so, Boondoggle is one of the 40some Missouri Pork State Champions!

Plowboy
02-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Was the Apple Blossom a state championship? If so, Boondoggle is one of the 40some Missouri Pork State Champions!

But the Apple Blossom Pork Loin State Champion is the only one I'm aware of.

Plowboy
02-17-2010, 11:16 PM
I think it comes down to what do you feel comfortable saying with a straight face.

My wife was valedictorian of her high school class. If I were to mention this in her presence, she would immediately qualify it as she was co-valedictorian. Each time she does this I remind her that people don't rescind their first impression after hearing that it was shared with someone else. "You don't need to qualify it." It makes her feel better, though. And that's all that counts. She'll always be a "co-valedictorian". So be it.

KC_Bobby
02-17-2010, 11:18 PM
That would have been Darren ... but he's from Iowa.

KC_Bobby
02-17-2010, 11:26 PM
Really work around the issue creatively. Name a team World BBQ, then when it wins a championship, it will always be World Championship BBQ :biggrin:

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
02-18-2010, 07:00 AM
heyyyy... lunchmeat represented PA at the Jack two years ago!

The first time I ever saw a 'state championship' awarded at an event was at Pork In The Park in 2004. Sandy gives out Grand, Reserve Grand, and a Maryland State Champ (they come from MD) I kinda thought it was a Mid-Atlantic thing, very cool for those that live there, and a great way to get local teams to come out.

OC... I say put whatever you want on your banner... you are paying for it.
Whoever wants to get into it with you... best of luck to them.
You've got the bling , right?

Yardley? I forgot that comp. wasnt sure if it ran that year or ended the year b4.

pigmaker23
02-18-2010, 07:19 AM
But only one wins the Jack, you can enjoy your Empire Cup for a little longer, The Jack Lasts Forever.. LOL:-P


No unification comp needed; this is all I have to say about that... and
I think my NY pitch beyotch would agree:
37368




I can't remember how we figured it, but based on how it was portrayed on "pitmasters" show, there was a little creative license going on. I think they counted the hog you mention twice... once for world champ (for hog) and once for the world champ (for overall highest score).... Not Dissing Myron - just showing Matt another example of how he can word his wins.

I am the only National Brisket Champion for 2009, thanks to my Chest to Chest invitational win.... but technically the world brisket OPEN (not invitational) can also crown a "world" champ... for those who enter.

I think we need a new thread for best "Marketing modified" titles :twisted:

HoDeDo
02-18-2010, 08:22 AM
But only one wins the Jack, you can enjoy your Empire Cup for a little longer, The Jack Lasts Forever.. LOL:-P

<Smack Tawk Alert>.....starting... now:

At least til the next Jack winner... By the way, who won brisket in 2008? (without going and looking at thier website) :twisted:

I can't wait to see you at the two national invitationals this year... GAB and AR :icon_cool Then we can mix it up a little and see which brisket is better ... the JD or C2C winners Heck, at the BotB, too... right?

I have to beg to differ... It takes a SEASON of consistency to win the Empire Cup, I think that lives on:twisted: And Lady Liberty and I are enjoying her inaugural year. Wait til you see her blog posts.:razz:

<Smack Tawk Alert> ending.... now :icon_devil

(Ok, I have talked more crap then I have in the last 5 years in this thread - so now I will go to my room.... even if it is fun teasing Eric)

lunchlady
02-18-2010, 11:03 AM
<Smack Tawk Alert>...
By the way, who won brisket in 2008? :twisted:


I believe it was Bubba and Jeff ? ... they were congratulating us on 2nd and almost missed it when they called their name...

I agree... consistency is the key and you DESERVE the Empire State Cup. You travelled far out of your area and kicked a$$ so many times to take it, so I congratulate you again!
But, beware... there are many of us that want that cup this year,
~ smack~ , (while having one hell of a time WITH you!)

Any contest in the state has an opportunity to get in touch with the peeps that run the Empire State Cup... I am sure that they would be inclusive, not exclusive, it is better for their events.

I also think that it would be awesome to have a shoot-out type comp... but probably impractical cuz you'd never get everyone to go... whether they were a'scared or already had previous plans...

Muzzlebrake
02-18-2010, 02:56 PM
I am sure glad that Pitmasters is over and the real smack talk can start

Dr_KY
02-18-2010, 03:31 PM
Hummmmmm.

Muzzlebrake
02-18-2010, 07:59 PM
Really work around the issue creatively. Name a team World BBQ, then when it wins a championship, it will always be World Championship BBQ :biggrin:

I had a friend who named all of his intramural teams in school, BYE. When people would read the schedule it would always read, vs BYE. He claims to have won more than one forfeit when the other team didn't show.

ThomEmery
02-18-2010, 08:51 PM
When biding a cater gig the two state championships just happen to get mentioned
Rib Ca Brisket AZ
Nether was at a huge contest
But they were state championships and I won

HoDeDo
02-18-2010, 09:11 PM
I believe it was Bubba and Jeff ? ... they were congratulating us on 2nd and almost missed it when they called their name...

I agree... consistency is the key and you DESERVE the Empire State Cup. You travelled far out of your area and kicked a$$ so many times to take it, so I congratulate you again!
But, beware... there are many of us that want that cup this year,
~ smack~ , (while having one hell of a time WITH you!)

Any contest in the state has an opportunity to get in touch with the peeps that run the Empire State Cup... I am sure that they would be inclusive, not exclusive, it is better for their events.

I also think that it would be awesome to have a shoot-out type comp... but probably impractical cuz you'd never get everyone to go... whether they were a'scared or already had previous plans...

It absolutely was Bubba and Jeff!! I was just busting Eric's ba!!s a little, cuz I didnt think he knew. 2008 was so much fun getting to cook with the BBQ Brethen team at the Jack, the stories will be shared from there for life!!! :-P I was just giving him a little reminder about how long forever is in BBQ. heheh.... only good enough til the next weekend LOL

I just feel lucky to have had the chance to get it done... I couldnt have done it without Sean, Phil, Eric, Brendan, Steve Z., Steve F., Mike C., etc. all sharing thier cars, homes ,cookers, pellets, meat purchases, to make the logistics of a Kansancooking on the East coast 6 different times, possible. And even more important than the cup, is all the fun I got to have drinking killer brew with Lakeside at 1am.... fresh steamers right of the grill at Yanni's in Troy... Definately DamnDip and whatever that awesome chicken stuff was at Placid...Clearing the pool at Hudson Valley when all the fat boys got in... What a summer. It really is an experience the entire family will remember for life. And we forged so many new friendships, and grew old ones. I can't wait to do it all again.:eusa_clap

The funny thing is - Kim just mentioned tonight how she was uber-excited that she would finally get to checkout some damn dip this year, since she sacked out before it appeared at Placid LOL

Dan - 3eyzbbq
02-18-2010, 09:22 PM
I had a friend who named all of his intramural teams in school, BYE. When people would read the schedule it would always read, vs BYE. He claims to have won more than one forfeit when the other team didn't show.

THAT is awesome. Very creative :lol:

KC_Bobby
02-18-2010, 09:44 PM
Funny yes, but wouldn't that suck when the other team didn't show? I'd rather play and lose then get all ready to play then not have an opponent.