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WineMaster
02-12-2010, 05:20 PM
What do most of you see and like at comps for payouts. If its a 10k purse what is the best way to pay. Top 5 in each category and top 5 overall?
What are your thoughts.

Dan

Buster Dog BBQ
02-12-2010, 05:38 PM
I really like top 10 payouts in each category.

monty3777
02-12-2010, 05:48 PM
I really like top 10 payouts in each category.

Me too.

BBQ_Mayor
02-12-2010, 06:13 PM
^^^^^I'm with them. Payout top 10 in each category.. Typical, I only see top 2 in the overall paid out but it would be nice to pay out top 5. It's also nice to get a free entry for the next year as a payout in the overall.

G$
02-12-2010, 07:40 PM
^^^^^I'm with them. Payout top 10 in each category.. Typical, I only see top 2 in the overall paid out but it would be nice to pay out top 5. It's also nice to get a free entry for the next year as a payout in the overall.


Of course it "all depends" on purse size, teams, etc , but:

I like paying 10 in each category. (Being realistic, this is not a ton of dough for these places, but sometimes, especially for newer teams, any payout will provide encouragement.)

I ALSO like paying top 5 overall. I never understood why the 5th place chicken cook gets a check but the third place overall doesn't. (And I realize you had some walks to get third overall, but on degree of difficulty a 3rd overall is harder than a single category 5th.)

If not paying 3rd overall (or 4th or 5th) then next years entry (transferrable) is a nice touch. Rewarding the 'bubble boys'.

Mike - CSBBBQ
02-12-2010, 08:52 PM
Like top 10 but at least announce 6-10 if not awarded something.

KC_Bobby
02-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Maybe something similar to this:

GC-1600
RGC-800
3rd-300
4th-free entry next year

1-500
2-300
3-200
4-150
5-100
6-75
7-50
8-35
9-25
10-25

SMITTYtheSMOKER
02-12-2010, 09:16 PM
I saw a contest last year try to pay too deep and it seemed crazy to me.

They initially were going to give the CG & RGC ...ZERO!

But thought giving 10th place in each catagory $25...WTF?

I don't care for the "everyones a winner here today" attitude.

My 2˘

KC_Bobby
02-12-2010, 09:30 PM
My 2¢ would have added up to an extra $285 one weekend this summer when we did two comps in one weekend. We got 6 out of 8 calls, but all between 6th-9th. And given the fields, it was hard to complain.

CivilWarBBQ
02-12-2010, 09:58 PM
I like a deeper payment schedule. Don't pay much attention to the total prize purse as long as we'll get our costs covered with a couple top 5 calls.

BBQ_Mayor
02-12-2010, 10:05 PM
Case in point. Jennies Got Wood placed 6th in Ribs, Pork and Brisket and ended up 3rd over in Excelsior Springs,Mo. last year. They paid down to the top 5 and top 2 for overall. They did get ribbons for 6th place but no money at all for a job well done.

KC_Bobby
02-12-2010, 10:18 PM
Didn't Excelsior have nearly 80 teams? That's brutal

BBQ_Mayor
02-12-2010, 11:09 PM
Didn't Excelsior have nearly 80 teams? That's brutal

Yep, 72 teams to be exact. A tough bunch too.

thenewguy
02-12-2010, 11:19 PM
As long as I get my damn money I don't care...I like the top 10 payouts. At least a name mention.

trohrs123
02-13-2010, 12:47 AM
payout to the top 5 and ribbon/trophy to ten...i dont need a $25 check for 10th place...rather have the ribbon

G$
02-13-2010, 09:25 AM
Case in point. Jennies Got Wood placed 6th in Ribs, Pork and Brisket and ended up 3rd over in Excelsior Springs,Mo. last year. They paid down to the top 5 and top 2 for overall. They did get ribbons for 6th place but no money at all for a job well done.

Goodness, this proves my point exactly. With a comp that big, not paying to 10 seems crazy. Or at least top 5 overall. Isn't it harder to get top 5 overall than top 5 in a category?

The upcoming contest in Lake Havasu originally was paying through 5. When the team count jumped to ~75 (well above expectations IMO) they added nominal payments to 6-10. Good move.

PCDoctor_1979
02-13-2010, 09:38 AM
In the case of our contest, we have 30 teams since that's all the room we have at our venue. We will pay the top 5 in each category, plus top 5 overall. We're using category sponsors to boost the purses. Each place in the overall pays approx 3x of each category. GC will get $1,500 and 1st Place in each category gets $500. Ribbons for 6-10. I did not get any negative comments about this from the teams last year.

PCDoctor_1979
02-13-2010, 09:39 AM
To clarify, we used a similar structure with less money last year. Sponsors are more willing to give us money now that we have a track record.

Smokin' Joe
02-13-2010, 10:36 AM
What do most of you see and like at comps for payouts. If its a 10k purse what is the best way to pay. Top 5 in each category and top 5 overall?
What are your thoughts.

Dan

Hopefully you have some pull with the Rochester PAL Dan:-D (I didn't even know KCBS would allow only paying 3 in each category).

For my $.02 I prefer paying top 10 in categories

KC_Bobby
02-13-2010, 10:44 AM
In the case of our contest, we have 30 teams since that's all the room we have at our venue. We will pay the top 5 in each category, plus top 5 overall. We're using category sponsors to boost the purses. Each place in the overall pays approx 3x of each category. GC will get $1,500 and 1st Place in each category gets $500. Ribbons for 6-10. I did not get any negative comments about this from the teams last year.

At a small 30 team comp, I think that's OK if the total purse won't allow for payment to top 10, I was thinking comps with more teams. Often the difference in points between 5 and 10th place isn't much when you start getting more teams.

What is the overall purse and payout schedule for your comp? We have it on our list.

Alexa RnQ
02-13-2010, 10:50 AM
I saw a contest last year try to pay too deep and it seemed crazy to me.

They initially were going to give the CG & RGC ...ZERO!

But thought giving 10th place in each catagory $25...WTF?

I don't care for the "everyones a winner here today" attitude.

My 2¢
Was that the contest where "best booth" paid more than the RGC?
Priorities, Smitty -- it's a decorating contest, y'know! :twisted:

Up to about 35-50 teams, paying to 5th but calls and medals or ribbons to 6th-10th works well.

When you get into a much larger number of teams, deeper payouts are nice, but again, only if the prize fund can sustain it without trying to give everybody a check for $25.

WineMaster
02-13-2010, 11:02 AM
Hopefully you have some pull with the Rochester PAL Dan:-D (I didn't even know KCBS would allow only paying 3 in each category).

For my $.02 I prefer paying top 10 in categories

That is why I asked this in the first place. Not sure I will even hit this comp. And its in my own town.

Dan

watertowerbbq
02-13-2010, 11:15 AM
In the case of our contest, we have 30 teams since that's all the room we have at our venue. We will pay the top 5 in each category, plus top 5 overall. We're using category sponsors to boost the purses. Each place in the overall pays approx 3x of each category. GC will get $1,500 and 1st Place in each category gets $500. Ribbons for 6-10. I did not get any negative comments about this from the teams last year.

7th place ribs didn't receive a ribbon last year at West Des Moines. Only the top 5 were called.

PCDoctor_1979
02-13-2010, 12:47 PM
7th place ribs didn't receive a ribbon last year at West Des Moines. Only the top 5 were called.
My post was not very clear. Ribbons for 6 - 10 this year. Last year we only called top 5. More money in the pot for this year!

PCDoctor_1979
02-13-2010, 12:53 PM
At a small 30 team comp, I think that's OK if the total purse won't allow for payment to top 10, I was thinking comps with more teams. Often the difference in points between 5 and 10th place isn't much when you start getting more teams.

What is the overall purse and payout schedule for your comp? We have it on our list.

Assuming the sponsor money keeps coming in as budgeted, the payout for each category will be $500, 400, 300, 200, 150. Overall $1500, 1000, 800, 600, 400. I don't think this is too bad for a 30 team event. Get your application in early - we sold out last year.

HBMTN
02-13-2010, 01:12 PM
If you are talking KCBS I think they require a 1-5 payout in each cat.

Candy Sue
02-13-2010, 01:23 PM
There's a contest in Arkansas that I've cooked twice. First time it was $100 for first in any category, nothing for any other place. All the payout was GC and RGC, $4000 and $1500 respectively. They'd progressed to paying down to 5th place second time I cooked it, but it was still very top heavy. I got a 1st and a 5th and got my entry fee back! But it is my favorite 1st place trophy!

Alexa RnQ
02-13-2010, 01:28 PM
If you are talking KCBS I think they require a 1-5 payout in each cat.
From the KCBS sanctioning .pdf at http://www.kcbs.us/pdf/2008_sanction_information_for_new_contests.pdf

In addition to the requirements contained in the sanctioning agreement below, the organizer agrees
that it will:
�� Abide by all rules of KCBS
�� Guarantee the payment of all fees due KCBS.
�� Guarantee the payment of all fees due to the Contest Representatives
�� Prior to 90 days of the date of the contest, Organizer will send a letter guaranteeing the payment of all prize money and recognition to 5 places along with a schedule of prize payments. Organizer understands that said prize money may not be reduced to an amount less than stated in said letter or advertised.
�� Prior to 90 days of the date of the contest provide a certificate of all risk liability insurance with a minimum coverage of $1,000,000.00/$2,000,000.00.
�� Insure there is adequate water, trash, gray water disposal, grease disposal, toilets, safety equipment, and security, to meet the needs of the contest, contestants and public. (Including providing all teams emergency telephone numbers for Security, Organizer and Contest Reps.)
�� The Organizer will participate and observe a contest at least 30 days prior to its contest or write up a strategic plan for the contest and submit the same to KCBS for approval.
�� Contest will publish the KCBS logo on all printed materials, banners, t-shirts, promotional items.

WineMaster
02-13-2010, 02:04 PM
The event in Rochester, They are paying top 3 in each category and top 5 overall. I thought it could be better distributed since its only the 4 categories with a 10,000 purse.

Dan

Prairie Smoke
02-13-2010, 02:26 PM
Payout schedule should run a lot deeper for a bit contest than a small one. Even at $10,000 bucks... if there's only 25 teams, you don't really need to pay top 10 overall and in each category. For 80 teams, that's more important.
I think the payout schedule should allow for as many teams as possible to make their costs back... That doesn't mean the winners should be cut back dramatically, but finishing well ahead of most other teams should provide enough $$$ to cover a teams costs, regardless of the number of teams.

Buster Dog BBQ
02-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Assuming the sponsor money keeps coming in as budgeted, the payout for each category will be $500, 400, 300, 200, 150. Overall $1500, 1000, 800, 600, 400. I don't think this is too bad for a 30 team event. Get your application in early - we sold out last year.
Which contest is this?

KC_Bobby
02-13-2010, 03:07 PM
May 29-30 Smokin the Junction, Des Moines IA
- that's a $500 information fee

ique
02-13-2010, 04:07 PM
Assuming the sponsor money keeps coming in as budgeted, the payout for each category will be $500, 400, 300, 200, 150. Overall $1500, 1000, 800, 600, 400. I don't think this is too bad for a 30 team event. Get your application in early - we sold out last year.

Thats a nice payout. I like paying out more places then just GC and RGC for overall. On the other hand, I dont see the point really in cutting a check for $25. So I think you have it right going down to $150 for 5th overall in a category.

beardjp
02-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Nelsonville, Ohio pays out as listed, with 43 teams in 2009.
GRAND CHAMPION*****$3,000 & Trophy
RESERVE CHAMPION***$1,500 & Trophy
Top Ohio Team***********$500 & Trophy


KCBS CATEGORY AWARDS


1st Place each category·········· $500 & Plaque
2nd Place each category········ $300 & Plaque
3rd Place each category········ $200 & Plaque
4th Place each category········· $150 & Plaque
5th Place each category········· $100 & Plaque

WineMaster
02-13-2010, 07:16 PM
Payout schedule should run a lot deeper for a bit contest than a small one. Even at $10,000 bucks... if there's only 25 teams, you don't really need to pay top 10 overall and in each category. For 80 teams, that's more important.
I think the payout schedule should allow for as many teams as possible to make their costs back... That doesn't mean the winners should be cut back dramatically, but finishing well ahead of most other teams should provide enough $$$ to cover a teams costs, regardless of the number of teams.

This contest is $ 280 entry with max 60 teams

PCDoctor_1979
02-14-2010, 07:36 AM
We'll have some nice trophies to go along with our cash payout since we have a jeweler as one of our sponsors. :-)

gb7488
02-14-2010, 06:46 PM
KCBS Sanctioning requires payout to 5th place. We pay to the 10th place, never thought of paying 3d place overall - It's a good idea that we ' try to incorporate for 2011 - we have a $22,000 payout overall

Bar•B•Q Pit - Sept 10,11 & 12 Norwalk CT
2010 KCBS BBQ Competition Awards
Grand Champion $ 3,700.00
Reserve Grand Champion 2,200.00
First Place in each KCBS category 750.00
Second Place in each KCBS category 400.00
Third Place in each KCBS category 300.00
Fourth Place in each KCBS category 200.00
Fifth Place in each KCBS category 100.00
Sixth - Tenth Place in each KCBS category 50.00
Total KCBS $13,100.00

greg