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moocow
02-09-2010, 01:39 PM
I got to thinking about this with all of this complaining about the KCBS. Why do we even need them? Granted if you win a Grand you get to go to there invitationals but lets take that out of the consideration. If your not in it for the ToY race what is the point. I say that jokingly, I do understand what they do and it would be nearly impossible to do away with them.(guaranteed prize money, judging, scoring, rules, reps, etc.) How do I, the average member make a difference. How do I hurt them so to speek. How do I make them listen? I don't want to give up my membership and that to me seems the only to make them listen. I understand it is hard to get a group of people to agree on anything but what really bothers me the most is the lack of transparency. If we all had the ability to hear the entire board meeting that would eliminate 95% of the problems. Don't tell me they can't do that, it is a complete joke. If we have the ability to do online elections we have the ability to broadcast our meeting live or the next day on our website. Hell, most of us listen to the BBQ Central show. How the heck dose Greg do it? Dose he work for NASA or something? NO, he wanted to do it and found a way! KCBS can do this if they want to. I am sure we could take a collection and come up with enough money to pay for a microphone and a computer if that is the hold up. Sorry to rant, I just feel if I knew what was going on at the board meeting I might not get so worked up about these things. And if the people on the board new we could hear they might perform differently. What do you guys think?

Vince RnQ
02-09-2010, 02:12 PM
When was the last time you sent an e-mail to any KCBS Board member or attempted to speak to one of them on the phone?

Have you ever called in and listened to a Board meeting?

Did you vote in the last election?

Many of the Board members are also Contest Reps and you can very easily speak to them at an event.

If you want change within the organization, you need to take action yourself and make your voice heard. And voicing it on an internet forum isn't usually the best method to accomplish this goal.

Ford
02-09-2010, 02:30 PM
I'll take a shot at answering this.

When was the last time you sent an e-mail to any KCBS Board member or attempted to speak to one of them on the phone?
I had multiple conversations and emails last week and over the weekend. Some BOD members were very prompt in answering and others almost never answer. I don't have phone numbers for most BOD members but for a lot of them.

Have you ever called in and listened to a Board meeting?

No but I intend to try to listen to the next few just so I can verify what I'm hearing in private.

Did you vote in the last election?

I voted for 4 people and only 1 got elected. And we have a family membership and my wife also voted.

Many of the Board members are also Contest Reps and you can very easily speak to them at an event.

I do. Many of the BOD members are friends some closer than others. I don't get to see the East Coast reps very often and same goes for out west although many are still considered friends. And while I may disagree with how they cote and will bust their chops when I next wee them, they are friends.

If you want change within the organization, you need to take action yourself and make your voice heard. And voicing it on an internet forum isn't usually the best method to accomplish this goal.

Agree - if 500 members sent emails asking for an explanation of the Lula vote or the rule changes or the Myrtle Beach vote, etc. we'd get answers. These Forums are for venting and idea exchange but not for communications to the BOD.

And for the record I agree with the first post where he talks about podcasts or webcasts of meetings. And no executive session except for personnell issues. We need to open up meetings and communications and people need to read who keeps voting down open meetings.

moocow
02-09-2010, 02:47 PM
When was the last time you sent an e-mail to any KCBS Board member or attempted to speak to one of them on the phone?

Have you ever called in and listened to a Board meeting?

Did you vote in the last election?

Many of the Board members are also Contest Reps and you can very easily speak to them at an event.

If you want change within the organization, you need to take action yourself and make your voice heard. And voicing it on an internet forum isn't usually the best method to accomplish this goal.

I have not sent an email to any of the members as of now but I will start doing that soon. I know some of them will see this so in a way I have sent it to them. I have not called in as is not user friendly and would rather listen to the meeting on my on time rather than live. I did vote, I voted for someone I knew would make a difference and do a great job. He lost because he was not a popular as some of the others. At least that is the way I feel. I competed or attended 10 contest last year and never saw a board member. I am sure they were at the Royal bet we never crossed paths. And sorry, I disagree with you. Forums are a place to get you voice heard, That's why they are called forums. I do respect your opinions and I will try to contact some members directly.

barbefunkoramaque
02-09-2010, 02:59 PM
I will add this. If you want to change something... quitting or not joining it and working within the actual body itself changes nuthin.

Change comes within. KCBS got the way it is because people quit.... whatever side you are on... it got the way it was because whoever your for or against stayed with it and changed it and the quitters quit.

Podge
02-09-2010, 02:59 PM
As long there is a contest, a shot at the jack, hang out with my freinds, have a chance to win back my money and compete against the best in the nation, I can handle whatever KCBS has going..

Jeff Hughes
02-09-2010, 03:08 PM
As long there is a contest, a shot at the jack, hang out with my freinds, have a chance to win back my money and compete against the best in the nation, I can handle whatever KCBS has going..

I agree...

butts
02-09-2010, 03:11 PM
As long there is a contest, a shot at the jack, hang out with my freinds, have a chance to win back my money and compete against the best in the nation, I can handle whatever KCBS has going..

Well said! To make a change everyone should support and encourage those that you feel are best to be board members. The only involvement I have with the KCBS is as a member and a cook so if I choose to compete, I deal with the rules.

Shawn

Jacked UP BBQ
02-09-2010, 03:16 PM
I am so confused about this entire KCBS drama. How is it affecting our lives? It's not. It seems to me many people have way too much time on their hands and have nothing going on in their lives. I love the KCBS, they give me great weekends and great people to meet.

Please stop wasting your time and crying on forums, put that time into voicing your opinion to the target and maybe you will get somewhere. I said in another blog somewhere. If I spent the time at my business that some people spend crying over BBQ associations I would be RICH.

Enjoy the comps, enjoy, the people, enjoy the food, and be thankful that there are people who volunteer to, to make these comps happen. If you are not involved and don't put in your time you have no right to bitch.

Muzzlebrake
02-09-2010, 03:18 PM
"guaranteed prize money, judging, scoring, rules, reps, etc." for $35 a year is a bargain in my book

Jacked UP BBQ
02-09-2010, 03:22 PM
"guaranteed prize money, judging, scoring, rules, reps, etc." for $35 a year is a bargain in my book

Sean you could not be any more right!

falldownbbq
02-09-2010, 03:33 PM
"guaranteed prize money, judging, scoring, rules, reps, etc." for $35 a year is a bargain in my book


It was kind of like people complaining about only having 5-10k in prize money, yet the TLC shows are giving away 10k to someone to build the best burger..

Lets see who would cry when they took the comps and turned them into winner take all!! who will be happy then..

monty3777
02-09-2010, 03:53 PM
It was kind of like people complaining about only having 5-10k in prize money, yet the TLC shows are giving away 10k to someone to build the best burger..

Lets see who would cry when they took the comps and turned them into winner take all!! who will be happy then..

Dude, you have 4 FEC 750s???

On topic - drama is interesting when there is nothing else going on, but for me - who cares what happens in a board meeting. I've been on enough boards to know that some people will ALWAYS be pleased with the decisions and some people will ALWAYS be pi$$@d. The best leaders ignore both extremes and focus on the majority of folks in the middle.

pahutchens
02-09-2010, 04:03 PM
I just got my KCBS membership (family)
Part of me is going what the Fark is all this about, no real back story to put it all in context.
After a little while my light bulb went on. It is reminiscent of several non-profits that I have worked with, for and on occasion from within against.
Club mentality meets growing pains. Chit happens, times change

There is room for other sanctioning groups if that is where you want to put your energy. Do so with the expectation that others will also split off that group for their own BBQ ideology. That happens every time there is an assertion of one truth.

I'm fairly new here but it looks as if there will be some BBQ looking like NASCAR and others dirt track and demo derbys, just a matter of time as Que comes into its new skin.
Level setting BBQ for all is my understanding of the Brethren ideal, learning, sharing and yanking each others chains, I like that.

CivilWarBBQ
02-09-2010, 04:12 PM
Also keep in mind that the majority of this drama is being center-staged at Basso's, which is heavily censored. I myself have had two posts removed today, presumably for saying something Ray didn't like. (One post was a reply to a person asking a question about connecting to BBQ people via Facebook)

Deciphering truth from gossip is made doubly difficult when all the information is passed through the filter of a single person's ideas of what should and shouldn't be allowed. Granted the BBQ Forum is Ray's personal property and he absolutely has the right to do whatever he wishes there. I just wish that KCBS would create an official vehicle for the timely exchange of information. Then there wouldn't be so much speculation as to what is up with our organization.

moocow
02-09-2010, 04:29 PM
As long there is a contest, a shot at the jack, hang out with my freinds, have a chance to win back my money and compete against the best in the nation, I can handle whatever KCBS has going..
I totally agree! BBQ and the people I have gotten to know over the past few years are great part of my life. I will never drop my KCBS membership, I was just trying to make a point. I would gladly pay more for my membership, the $35 is well worth the money. I Just wanted to know what others think can be done to make a difference. If others think everything is fine just say so, don't just tell me to stop wasting my time and quit bitching. The forum is for discussing things and that's what I wanted to do! Although I might have gotten a little worked up about it, It is only because I also love the KCBS and would only like to hear positive things about it. I think more transparency would help that.

Jeff_in_KC
02-09-2010, 05:04 PM
I am so confused about this entire KCBS drama. How is it affecting our lives? It's not. It seems to me many people have way too much time on their hands and have nothing going on in their lives. I love the KCBS, they give me great weekends and great people to meet.

Please stop wasting your time and crying on forums, put that time into voicing your opinion to the target and maybe you will get somewhere. I said in another blog somewhere. If I spent the time at my business that some people spend crying over BBQ associations I would be RICH.

Enjoy the comps, enjoy, the people, enjoy the food, and be thankful that there are people who volunteer to, to make these comps happen. If you are not involved and don't put in your time you have no right to bitch.

Easy there, buddy! Shane is pretty damned involved AND he's a huge reason my contest here in Pleasant Hill is so successful! He and Vern, also a member here, are regular and top notch volunteers, taking care of anything the teams need! In my opinion, he has every right to bitch!

I look at it like this... you don't believe any of this is effecting you? Great! Let's see the stunned look on your face when KCBS is gone and you're looking for contests to go hang out with your friends! How much is it gonna effect you then?

JayAre
02-09-2010, 05:47 PM
I don't post on these forums much, and one reason is that the conversations have not changed since I've started reading this and other forums...every year, around Jan-Feb, its the KCBS Slam dunk, April brings "how do I smoke Ham", Nov brings How do i cook Turkey...then its, fat side up or down, to sauce or not etc etc etc....Why do I keep reading???? its entertaining to me, which I suppose it what this is meant to be, I wasnt aware that the worlds (bbq) problems were being solved right before my very eyes!!!

JayAre

Jacked UP BBQ
02-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Easy there, buddy! Shane is pretty damned involved AND he's a huge reason my contest here in Pleasant Hill is so successful! He and Vern, also a member here, are regular and top notch volunteers, taking care of anything the teams need! In my opinion, he has every right to bitch!

I look at it like this... you don't believe any of this is effecting you? Great! Let's see the stunned look on your face when KCBS is gone and you're looking for contests to go hang out with your friends! How much is it gonna effect you then?

KCBS isn't going anywhere. I never shane doesn't voluteer, I don't evenknow him. I am just saying there is never a thank you to anyone in the organization just a bitch. Also I do more at comps then hang out with my friends, I vend which is part of my livelyhood. I refuse to sit back and listen to all of this when these people volunteer their time to be on these boards and rep these comps and rarely a thank you. I voted for you because I thought you were a good canidate who could hear everyones points, apparently I was wrong, buddy. Appears you are overly defensive on only your opinions, a good leader would respect everyones and not react as you did. I pay and I help anyone I can and have a lot of friend who volunteer their time to make this all possible. So I will bitch on and so can shane, so can you. We don't all have to agree on everthing, just my opinion here.

ThomEmery
02-09-2010, 08:25 PM
Also keep in mind that the majority of this drama is being center-staged at Basso's, which is heavily censored. I myself have had two posts removed today, presumably for saying something Ray didn't like. (One post was a reply to a person asking a question about connecting to BBQ people via Facebook)

Deciphering truth from gossip is made doubly difficult when all the information is passed through the filter of a single person's ideas of what should and shouldn't be allowed. Granted the BBQ Forum is Ray's personal property and he absolutely has the right to do whatever he wishes there. I just wish that KCBS would create an official vehicle for the timely exchange of information. Then there wouldn't be so much speculation as to what is up with our organization.

Why an organization as big as KCBS still settles for a "pong" forum
The truth is probably not very pretty on the subject
Kinda like Cook Books and who gets paid

Exe-que-tioner
02-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Shane.......I like the idea of being able to view or listen to board meetings on-line, whether it is a "live" broadcast or giving the members access via KCBS website to tune in at their convenience! That is a great idea, and yes, I would have to agree, I believe they would maybe perform or conduct the meetings in a different manner (not that I know how they conduct their meetings). Instead of reading minutes in the Bullsheet, or on the website, it just makes sense to me that if the member feels like he/she is involved through the audio or video experience, they may feel more compelled to get a little more involved.? And just maybe instead of a "no-report" we would hear a "report"!? Like you, I voted for the one who I knew would make a difference and push the envelopes on the issues a little bit harder than the others, but the out-come didn't fare our way. It's time we all get together and start voicing our concerns and start pushing the e-mail envelopes a bit harder. Doesn't matter what the issue is. Just my two cents........:wink:.

KuyasKitchen
02-09-2010, 09:33 PM
Guys, guys ... don't let it get personal. Consider yourselves all lucky that you live close enough to contents to participate and enjoy. Some of us live far, far away from such wonders.

Everyone here should crack open a bottle of their favorite beverage, take a few swigs, relax, and realize that we're not all that much different from each other. We just each have our own interests and passions.

And, in the words of Senator Smalley ... that's OK!

chopshop
02-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Easy there, buddy! Shane is pretty damned involved AND he's a huge reason my contest here in Pleasant Hill is so successful! He and Vern, also a member here, are regular and top notch volunteers, taking care of anything the teams need! In my opinion, he has every right to bitch!

I look at it like this... you don't believe any of this is effecting you? Great! Let's see the stunned look on your face when KCBS is gone and you're looking for contests to go hang out with your friends! How much is it gonna effect you then?

didnt seem to me that oc was specifically targeting one person. If you have been reading over the last week it seems like there has been nothing going on other than bitching. If one has the right to voice their opinion, so does the other!

SmokinOkie
02-10-2010, 07:45 AM
I will add this. If you want to change something... quitting or not joining it and working within the actual body itself changes nuthin.

Change comes within. KCBS got the way it is because people quit.... whatever side you are on... it got the way it was because whoever your for or against stayed with it and changed it and the quitters quit.

Excellent point. For all the whinning people, ask yourself this. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem. If you REALLY feel so strongly about what's going on, instead of telling the internet boards, type an email to KCBS and personally get involved. Otherwise, quit fanning the flames. Become a fireman and put the flames out.

moocow
02-10-2010, 08:50 AM
Excellent point. For all the whinning people, ask yourself this. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem. If you REALLY feel so strongly about what's going on, instead of telling the internet boards, type an email to KCBS and personally get involved. Otherwise, quit fanning the flames. Become a fireman and put the flames out.
I would not consider it whining, I simply wanted to start a conversation and see if other people felt the same way as I do about more transparency in the organization. If there was no other interest among my fellow Brethren I did not much see the point in contacting the Board. Granted I got a little excited but sometimes that is what it takes to get people to take notice of what you are saying. You are fanning the flames! Now you have me upset for calling people who feel strongly about this whiners! Would you be open to contacting the BoD and requesting to have better access to our meetings? Even if you don't care to listen I can't see how anybody would see this as a bad idea.

bbqbull
02-10-2010, 09:31 AM
The NAME CALLING ends now!
Please return this to a civil conversation w/o name calling.
Thank you.

Jacked UP BBQ
02-10-2010, 09:43 AM
I may have missed something, but where is the name calling? Let me edit this, I see what some people may consider name calling.

Jorge
02-10-2010, 10:30 AM
As a member the only thing I ask is that the BoD find a way to work together for the benefit of the membership. I'll get interested again when they can start reporting on what they've accomplished without bloodshed.

Until then I'm going to travel to the events where I can spend time with my friends. Pleasant Hill w/Phil,Spicediddy, and The Diddler. Bedford with a couple of new friends I met in AZ on the Plowboy Goodwrench Tour. Catering for the masses w/Plowboys Todd and Randy at the World Pork Expo. B2B and Shanon w/Todd. IBCA and LSBS events here in Texas as time allows. Meaning I'll be hanging with adults that act like children, for the RIGHT reasons.

Jeff_in_KC
02-10-2010, 01:10 PM
KCBS isn't going anywhere. I never shane doesn't voluteer, I don't evenknow him. I am just saying there is never a thank you to anyone in the organization just a bitch. Also I do more at comps then hang out with my friends, I vend which is part of my livelyhood. I refuse to sit back and listen to all of this when these people volunteer their time to be on these boards and rep these comps and rarely a thank you. I voted for you because I thought you were a good canidate who could hear everyones points, apparently I was wrong, buddy. Appears you are overly defensive on only your opinions, a good leader would respect everyones and not react as you did. I pay and I help anyone I can and have a lot of friend who volunteer their time to make this all possible. So I will bitch on and so can shane, so can you. We don't all have to agree on everthing, just my opinion here.

I don't know about you but I'm not going to take the existence of KCBS for granted.

Anyway, if you feel your vote for me was wrong, I'm sorry you do. Nothing I stood for has changed and I'm always open to other's opinions and viewpoints. I apologize I took your post as more of an attack on Shane than you meant it but I will always defend those who help me like Shane does. Today, my head is more clear. Yesterday when I replied, I'd just gotten back from having to make a tough decision on the life of a pet and hunting companion. You have my apologizes.

Ford
02-10-2010, 01:37 PM
Yesterday when I replied, I'd just gotten back from having to make a tough decision on the life of a pet and hunting companion. You have my apologizes.
Real sorry to hear this. I had to put two wonderful dogs down last July. It's not an easy decision and there's a big loss.

U2CANQUE
02-10-2010, 01:44 PM
Until then I'm going to travel to the events where I can spend time with my friends. Pleasant Hill w/Phil,Spicediddy, and The Diddler
Awesome, get to finally meet the ever elusive...well, considering this will be my first journey out to the flatlands....Jorge....look forward to meeting you in Pleasant Hill.....the countdown is on....

Rookie'48
02-10-2010, 05:21 PM
..... Pleasant Hill w/Phil,Spicediddy, and The Diddler..... Meaning I'll be hanging with adults that act like children, for the RIGHT reasons.

Sooooo - how many bottles of Templeton Rye are going to be needed? :biggrin:

KC_Bobby
02-10-2010, 07:24 PM
Lots, I'll be there too

Jeff_in_KC
02-10-2010, 10:47 PM
Sooooo - how many bottles of Templeton Rye are going to be needed? :biggrin:

OK you hooligans! Just remember I enforce quiet hours! :twisted:

Smoke'n Ice
02-11-2010, 06:57 AM
Also keep in mind that the majority of this drama is being center-staged at Basso's, which is heavily censored. I myself have had two posts removed today, presumably for saying something Ray didn't like. (One post was a reply to a person asking a question about connecting to BBQ people via Facebook)

If you don't want to be censored by Basso, take out an ad on his forum, then you can say what you want.http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

Fat Woody
02-11-2010, 07:23 AM
I don't post on these forums much, and one reason is that the conversations have not changed since I've started reading this and other forums...every year, around Jan-Feb, its the KCBS Slam dunk, April brings "how do I smoke Ham", Nov brings How do i cook Turkey...then its, fat side up or down, to sauce or not etc etc etc....Why do I keep reading???? its entertaining to me, which I suppose it what this is meant to be, I wasnt aware that the worlds (bbq) problems were being solved right before my very eyes!!!

JayAre

So, you're entertained here, but you don't like the content? I notice you have not started any threads in the year and a half you've been a member and by your own admission, you don't post much. I can't help but wonder why you felt it was necessary to throw an air punch at the forum?

By the way, you're correct in deducing that the content of this and other forums seems cyclical; that's largely because the nature of life itself is cyclical. People continue to join this forum in large numbers every year and some don't realize that many of their common questions can be answered by searching the historical posts. Thus, every year folks ask about smoking a ham for Easter or a turkey around November. Likewise, those that compete on the various BBQ circuits will start to reflect on the past year and use this forum as a place to exchange ideas (that's kinda why it's here!).

This site is a "consumer-driven publication"; perhaps you've noticed that most major consumer magazines have a similarly repetitive flow to their content. This is due to the cyclical nature of events in our lives: every spring we're instructed on "how to improve the curb appeal of our homes, grow bigger tomatoes, which new promising players to look out for or how to smoke an Easter ham". Every fall it's "how to carve a pumpkin, how to insulate your home, which new car to buy" or a "recap of the racing season".

But for those who take the time to search for it, there lies a wealth of information to be gleaned and a host of friendships to be made here. This forum truly is a brotherhood; one that actually gets together and does things outside of cyber space. From Brethren Bashes to nationwide contests, the members of this global forum can be found pursuing two things: BBQ excellence and fellowship.

I hope you'll take time to seek out and visit with some of the Brethren at a contest near you this year. I think you'll find a great group of people who are willing to help out when you need a hand, share a few BBQ tips, a beer or a cigar and not ask anything in return. And who knows, maybe you can even help solve some of the BBQ world's problems while you're at it?!

Cheers! - Woody

Jorge
02-11-2010, 07:59 AM
Mod Note: What happens on other forums has no relevance here. Those discussions belong on the forum(s) in question. Just as we are entitled to run this forum as we see fit, each other forum owner etc. is entitled to run their own forum as they see fit.

JayAre
02-11-2010, 08:37 AM
So, you're entertained here, but you don't like the content? I notice you have not started any threads in the year and a half you've been a member and by your own admission, you don't post much. I can't help but wonder why you felt it was necessary to throw an air punch at the forum?

I wasn’t aware that it was a requirement to start threads; I’ll work at that in the future. As for the “air punch”…While my comments may not have been very productive for the conversation itself, my comments were NOT meant to be a shot.

By the way, you're correct in deducing that the content of this and other forums seems cyclical; that's largely because the nature of life itself is cyclical. People continue to join this forum in large numbers every year and some don't realize that many of their common questions can be answered by searching the historical posts. Thus, every year folks ask about smoking a ham for Easter or a turkey around November. Likewise, those that compete on the various BBQ circuits will start to reflect on the past year and use this forum as a place to exchange ideas (that's kinda why it's here!).

This site is a "consumer-driven publication"; perhaps you've noticed that most major consumer magazines have a similarly repetitive flow to their content. This is due to the cyclical nature of events in our lives: every spring we're instructed on "how to improve the curb appeal of our homes, grow bigger tomatoes, which new promising players to look out for or how to smoke an Easter ham". Every fall it's "how to carve a pumpkin, how to insulate your home, which new car to buy" or a "recap of the racing season".

My point exactly, every year the same subjects get discussed and the regulars seem shocked that the subjects come up…just sayin.

But for those who take the time to search for it, there lies a wealth of information to be gleaned and a host of friendships to be made here. This forum truly is a brotherhood; one that actually gets together and does things outside of cyber space. From Brethren Bashes to nationwide contests, the members of this global forum can be found pursuing two things: BBQ excellence and fellowship.

I hope you'll take time to seek out and visit with some of the Brethren at a contest near you this year. I think you'll find a great group of people who are willing to help out when you need a hand, share a few BBQ tips, a beer or a cigar and not ask anything in return. And who knows, maybe you can even help solve some of the BBQ world's problems while you're at it?!

That’s funny!

Cheers! - Woody


Overall….Thanks for the entertainment :grin:

JohnJ
02-11-2010, 10:09 AM
I am a real newbe at all of this and the forum. Have joined KCBS and see a lot of benefits down the road and have a ton to learn.

There are more than just the KCBS that are BBQ sanctioning bodies, however KCBS certainly seems the most successful.

Now I might be truly naive but it seems to me that this forum, the people contributing to "The BBQ Brethren" could make one heck of a sanctioning body for all things BBQ!

How many members are there here? Do the website owners and those directly involved with this forum even think such could be beneficial or profitable?

Well... I think it is possible!

So... how do we get started?

John

G$
02-11-2010, 10:20 AM
Now I might be truly naive but it seems to me that this forum, the people contributing to "The BBQ Brethren" could make one heck of a sanctioning body for all things BBQ!


John

I suggested this a few years ago. Not sure that dog will walk. And admittedly it IS a lot of work. We can't dismiss that some of these board members are incredibly active and responsive, and dedicate a lot of time to this.

Mike - CSBBBQ
02-11-2010, 11:02 AM
I do not post much on the other forum as it does not have ownership of posts. It is normally a quick place for results and status checks on folks health but IMO not near as useful as here. It is a free country and you can say what you want, choose to read or not, and agree or not. 8)

As for this forum and the Brethren, IMO it is great!

I've had the pleasure of meeting several Brethren since I joined and pleased to now call several friends. Where else can you go and have someone bring you items to a comp 1000 miles from home and you have have met them before? Thank you Rub! I have also improved because of the advice members share and it is greatly appreciated :-D Additionally learned tons of several helpful hints in preparing for comps and some great dishes to try!

Do my best to stay out of politics. There are always going to be complaints about something or another and yes I would like to see some changes to KCBS. However, by and large it is a good organization and I will continue to support.

Not a sermon, just my .02 :wink:

VGuilford
02-11-2010, 11:51 AM
OK you hooligans! Just remember I enforce quiet hours! :twisted:
Not to worry we'll be up by the barn minding our own business there mister.:icon_devil