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DONHARWELL
01-17-2010, 01:24 PM
OK Guys, February the 6th the KCBS Board will be a having a day long planning meeting. I would love to hear what you would like to see come out of this meeting and KCBS. I not looking for bull here, but I do want to hear from you. Email me at the kcbs us at my user name of dharwell.

FYI - It was nice to see a lot of Brethren in Philly this weekend.

DonH

Plowboy
01-17-2010, 01:50 PM
Don,

I'd like to see a motion and vote on making committee members public. I'd also like a motion and vote on using the KCBS website to announce committee openings and allow members to communicate their interest to the committee chair for consideration.

Thanks for your service.

Todd

crd26a
01-17-2010, 03:27 PM
I second Todd's comment on committee members and open positions.

I'd also like to see formal strategic objectives with defined measures added and addressed. These should also ultimately link to the committee goals and structure, with formal requirement on how the committee is addressing these goals. No more "No Report" for multiple months on end.

Spydermike72
01-17-2010, 03:37 PM
How about financial reports ?

Bbq Bubba
01-17-2010, 03:57 PM
How about financial reports ?


No report.

crd26a
01-17-2010, 04:28 PM
Almost forgot

Term Limits - Allowed to serve X number of terms (3 or 4 maybe) then a mandatory cooling off period of Y years (or 1 term). For those that continue to want to serve in a capacity within the organization, they can continue to serve and have roles on respective committees.

Slamdunkpro
01-17-2010, 05:00 PM
Don,

I'd like to see a motion and vote on making committee members public. I'd also like a motion and vote on using the KCBS website to announce committee openings and allow members to communicate their interest to the committee chair for consideration.

+1


I'd also like to see a financial statement showing expenditures for the annual meeting in Philadelphia vs income from attendees. There's no way that sad excuse for a buffet should have cost $14,000+. I'd like to know what else my $53 (and everyone else's) subsidized.

Even if the banquet attendees alone footed the bill for the 3 meeting rooms and the banquet hall rental (which they shouldn't have) the cost vs services provided seemed way out of line.

Since the hotel was unable to fulfill it's contractual obligation (they ran out of food during service) are banquet attendees going to get partial refunds?

Merl
01-17-2010, 05:15 PM
Almost forgot

Term Limits - Allowed to serve X number of terms (3 or 4 maybe) then a mandatory cooling off period of Y years (or 1 term). For those that continue to want to serve in a capacity within the organization, they can continue to serve and have roles on respective committees.

Are you asking to expand the current term limits. I cannot agree with that. I think are current term limits are good, and just cannot go along with an expansion of the number of terms a board member can serve without a break.
Merl

LindaM
01-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Almost forgot

Term Limits - Allowed to serve X number of terms (3 or 4 maybe) then a mandatory cooling off period of Y years (or 1 term). For those that continue to want to serve in a capacity within the organization, they can continue to serve and have roles on respective committees.

There are specific term limits. Only 2 terms permitted 3 years each, and only three years on the executive committee position. You must sit out 1 year after you have reached the limits.

LindaM
01-17-2010, 05:21 PM
Don,

I'd like to see a motion and vote on making committee members public. I'd also like a motion and vote on using the KCBS website to announce committee openings and allow members to communicate their interest to the committee chair for consideration.

Thanks for your service.

Todd

Todd,
The chairs are all listed on the KCBS website with their email addresses. The duties may change in Feburary but at least on my part I would be happy to have volunteers interested in being on my committee.

crd26a
01-17-2010, 08:46 PM
There are specific term limits. Only 2 terms permitted 3 years each, and only three years on the executive committee position. You must sit out 1 year after you have reached the limits.

Thanks for the clarification - I would say if its a 1 year cooling period (2 terms, off a year, another 2 terms) I'd move to extend the cooling period.

Plowboy
01-17-2010, 09:06 PM
Todd,
The chairs are all listed on the KCBS website with their email addresses. The duties may change in Feburary but at least on my part I would be happy to have volunteers interested in being on my committee.

Linda,

Look at my post again. That isn't what I asked for. I asked for committee members specifically, not chairs. You are correct that we know who the chairs are.

Something more formal than "you can email me" would be nice. For instance, if the Technology committee was looking for certain skills to support an initiative, I'm sure members who have those skills would like to know so that they can choose to step up.

Todd

Jeff_in_KC
01-17-2010, 09:25 PM
Todd, I LOVE your idea! I see no reason why this could not be done! I know it would get more members interested and involved! Afterall, it's up to all of us to help make KCBS a better organization, not just the Board. They can't do it without us!

Plowboy
01-17-2010, 09:29 PM
Todd, I LOVE your idea! I see no reason why this could not be done! I know it would get more members interested and involved! Afterall, it's up to all of us to help make KCBS a better organization, not just the Board. They can't do it without us!

Hmmm... maybe I should run for the board. :rolleyes:

ThomEmery
01-17-2010, 09:35 PM
I would like to serve on a committee
Yes the concept of everyone knowing who is serving on which committee is a good one.
The days of "No Report" should be over.

Plowboy
01-17-2010, 09:40 PM
I would like to serve on a committee
Yes the concept of everyone knowing who is serving on which committee is a good one.
The days of "No Report" should be over.

Each committee chair should have a strategic plan that is published along with their members. The monthly reports should speak to the strategic plan at minimum.

Although, I might start trying this at work. "Todd's how's your SW development project coming along? Are we hitting our targets?"

"No report."

"Again?"

Thom, you and I should be on the committee on committees.

Candy Sue
01-17-2010, 09:40 PM
There is no doubt that there is a core group of KCBS members who want very badly to be involved. I see no reason to not put any member who wants to be a part of an education initiative, etc. to work! My experience with the people I've met in our organization is that we are an amazingly talented and varied group. And we're all united in our passion for barbeque and KCBS is the recipient. I've offered to help before (years ago) on a committee and was pretty much told things were under control. In other words, thanks but no thanks. My personal philosophy is that many hands make for lighter work. KCBS should utilize all its resources and by far the greatest one it has is the knowledge and talents and passion for all things barbeque of its members (that 21% that voted anyway).

arlieque
01-17-2010, 09:41 PM
Thom-----What do you know about being on a board, let alone BBQ?

ThomEmery
01-17-2010, 10:04 PM
Thom-----What do you know about being on a board, let alone BBQ?

Jeez With "friends" like you
LOL
What do I know?
hummmmm

I know Arlie has a
rather dry sense of humor.

I know it is past the point where another year
of same old thing will work

I also know turning in "no report"
will not cut it anymore.

Plowboy
01-17-2010, 10:16 PM
I also know turning in "no report"
will not cut it anymore.

1006 people seem to disagree.

Jeff_in_KC
01-17-2010, 10:29 PM
1006 people seem to disagree.

Interesting thought, Todd.

Ford
01-18-2010, 07:31 AM
1006 people seem to disagree.
with Jeff only getting 950 votes I'd say better than 10,000 agree that no report is OK.

Maybe next year it needs to be an issue that candidates put in their Bullsheet answers. After all that's the only true communication to all members.

And just remember some years incumbents can run but the next time they are term limited so Mike, Linda and Paul will not be running in 2013. However they can run again in 2014.

Maybe now's the time to look at who is up for 2011 elections and to see if it's open to change or there are multiple incumbents. I don't know the answer by the way.

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 08:33 AM
1006 people seem to disagree.

No Todd 1006 are unaware
They just recognized a name

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 08:36 AM
Yes starting early would help

The contest Reps who are CBJ Class Instructors have should a advantage
They can just know more of the voters

Bigdog
01-18-2010, 08:42 AM
with Jeff only getting 950 votes I'd say better than 10,000 agree that no report is OK.



10,000 ???? I'm sorry, I don't see where you got that number. :confused: Please explain.

Bigdog
01-18-2010, 08:44 AM
No Todd 1006 are unaware
They just recognized a name

Sad but probably true.

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 08:45 AM
10,000 the full membership

Ford
01-18-2010, 08:49 AM
10,000 ???? I'm sorry, I don't see where you got that number. :confused: Please explain.
Like Thom said over 10,000 did not vote for change so that means they are happy. No vote means we're OK with the way things are going and don't really care who runs it.

Sad but probably true.
Why is it sad. Members voted for the 3 current BOD members and returned them. That means that there were not enough voters that thought they should be replaced. So thsoe now complaining are in a significant minority. Maybe if we care for the future of the KCBS it's time to pull together and support the BOD and see if we can make thigns work.

Bigdog
01-18-2010, 09:06 AM
Like Thom said over 10,000 did not vote for change so that means they are happy. No vote means we're OK with the way things are going and don't really care who runs it.
Saying that just because they did not vote they are "OK with the way things are ..." is an assumption and I don't buy that.


Why is it sad. Members voted for the 3 current BOD members and returned them. That means that there were not enough voters that thought they should be replaced. So thsoe now complaining are in a significant minority. Maybe if we care for the future of the KCBS it's time to pull together and support the BOD and see if we can make thigns work.

It is sad if they are just voting for him because they have heard of his name rather than what he plans to bring to the board. The only thing I do agree with you on is your last statement.

Plowboy
01-18-2010, 09:21 AM
Abstains are not votes for or against something. You can't paint the picture how you want to. It doesn't work that way, Ford.

Slamdunkpro
01-18-2010, 09:22 AM
Abstaining means choosing not to vote, I wonder how many of the non-voters were in the same boat that I was. I'm busy, so I don't often have a chance to read the Bullsheet; I didn't get my auto generated election email notice & I rarely go to the KCBS website. If I didn't read this and other forums, I probably would have missed voting. If you're a new KCBS member (under 2 years) the time frame of the elections is probably not something you think about.

I wonder how many casual KCBS members got their election notification email and blew it off because they didn't recognize the sender. I was surprised that there wasn't an email directly from KCBS letting members know that an election ballot was coming from a different source and to contact the office if you don't have it by a certain date.

crd26a
01-18-2010, 09:34 AM
I wonder how many of the non-voters were in the same boat that I was. I'm busy, so I don't often have a chance to read the Bullsheet; I didn't get my auto generated election email notice & I rarely go to the KCBS website. If I didn't read this and other forums, I probably would have missed voting. If you're a new KCBS member (under 2 years) the time frame of the elections is probably not something you think about.

Some, sure, but how many of the 10k members are people that have taken the CBJ class, gotten the membership as a side "benefit", and either reup it so they can judge the local arts council bbq contest or just haven't let it lapse yet? I'd be more curious to see a demographic breakdown of the vote - cooks vs. judges vs. reps vs. organizers and see who it was that really elected them.

Slamdunkpro
01-18-2010, 09:47 AM
Some, sure, but how many of the 10k members are people that have taken the CBJ class, gotten the membership as a side "benefit", and either reup it so they can judge the local arts council bbq contest or just haven't let it lapse yet? I'd be more curious to see a demographic breakdown of the vote - cooks vs. judges vs. reps vs. organizers and see who it was that really elected them.

Agree 100% - I was in no way suggesting that 10,000 people didn't get their ballot.

I'd be real curious about the breakdown as well.

Ford
01-18-2010, 10:21 AM
Abstains are not votes for or against something. You can't paint the picture how you want to. It doesn't work that way, Ford.
You are correct that I was making assumptions but I don't understand you saying that people abstained. To do that requires them to cast a vote that says I abstain. Those that didn't vote chose not to vote for whatever reason.

But still the majority that voted chose to return the incumbents and in a very convincing fashion. That sends a message to those of us that wanted change. We're in the minority.

Plowboy
01-18-2010, 12:19 PM
You are correct that I was making assumptions but I don't understand you saying that people abstained. To do that requires them to cast a vote that says I abstain. Those that didn't vote chose not to vote for whatever reason.

But still the majority that voted chose to return the incumbents and in a very convincing fashion. That sends a message to those of us that wanted change. We're in the minority.

Consult your Websters on the meaning of "abstain".

abstain: To refrain from something by one's own choice {thefreedictionary.com}

Ford
01-18-2010, 12:50 PM
You are correct that I was making assumptions but I don't understand you saying that people abstained. To do that requires them to cast a vote that says I abstain. Those that didn't vote chose not to vote for whatever reason.

But still the majority that voted chose to return the incumbents and in a very convincing fashion. That sends a message to those of us that wanted change. We're in the minority.

Consult your Websters on the meaning of "abstain".

abstain: To refrain from something by one's own choice {thefreedictionary.com}
OK let's get technical. Your definition applies to an action such as smoking or not smoking, swearing or not swearing. You choose to do that. In parlimentary rules you have a choice vote or not to vote. Once you vote you can agree, disagree or abstain. Just look at the recent minutes of the BOD meeting. If a person does not attend they are not counted as abstaining but as not voting. You can vote for up to 4 people or you can vote for less than 4 and abstain by default from excersizing your right to vote for 4. But in order to abstain you must make a vote to be counted.

Gene01
01-18-2010, 01:01 PM
Almost forgot

Term Limits - Allowed to serve X number of terms (3 or 4 maybe) then a mandatory cooling off period of Y years (or 1 term). For those that continue to want to serve in a capacity within the organization, they can continue to serve and have roles on respective committees.


This has been and still is the policy of KCBS, there is a limit of 2 terms on the Board, you can serve again after one(1) year if so electe to do so.

Jeff_in_KC
01-18-2010, 01:15 PM
Ford, we don't use parlimentary procedure for the members to vote. People who abstain from voting choose not to vote. People who choose to abstain from sex choose not to have it. There might be any number of reasons why around 8700 people chose not to vote and abstained from doing so. Abstaining from voting in an election is totally different than abstaining from voting under parlimentary procedure.

Plowboy
01-18-2010, 01:44 PM
I think I'm going to abstain from this thread.

Ford
01-18-2010, 02:42 PM
Who cares anyway.

Back to Don's original post. If you want to send him something use his email don't post ideas here.

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 03:01 PM
Boys we can chase rabbits or we can start something proactive :)

Maybe I am unrealistic but working inside the system
even if that means helping to create a committee system
would seem the best use of our energy

Bigdog
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Boys we can chase rabbits or we can start something proactive :)

Maybe I am unrealistic but working inside the system
even if that means helping to create a committee system
would seem the best use of our energy
I agree Thom. Every board that I have been on, and there have been several, the committees where where most of the work was done. (By the way, I love the "chasing rabbits" thingie:)

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 04:25 PM
The difficult part is if the BoD Member is the Committee Chair and he or she
is lazy and has no intention of working much it will be hard to make it work

crd26a
01-18-2010, 04:30 PM
The difficult part is if the BoD Member is the Committee Chair and he or she
is lazy and has no intention of working much it will be hard to make it work

That'd be like having No Report at the Board meeting. Surely that hasn't happened

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 04:47 PM
;) Yea the good ol "No Report Committee"

Plowboy
01-18-2010, 04:48 PM
;) Yea the good ol "No Report Committee"

Boys we can chase rabbits or we can start something proactive :)


I had to do it, Thom. :lol:

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 04:49 PM
LOL Insightful

Ford
01-18-2010, 08:24 PM
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. No report is not bad. Some committees may only need an annual report. The BOD usually gets the big CBJ, judging and rules problems without the committee ever getting involved.

Rules & Regulations committee gathers info during the year, has a meeting in Janaury and then makes a recommendation for the BOD in FEB. That's one report per year - a no brainer there.

Education - report as needed. Same for Philanthropy. May only be one or two per year.

Nominating and elections maybe 2 per year when needed for election cycle.

Membership, new ideas, technology, R&D, sanctioning, CBJ & Judging - only when a report is needed. If nothing is changing why have a report to say that.

Monthly - finance and marketing. I think the membership should hear these.

For all but a couple above I think more of the committee stuff becomes business items for the BOD before the committee gets to it so there's nothing to reprot to the BOD if they grab the reins.

BBQchef33
01-18-2010, 08:41 PM
admin note:

Back on topic please folks.

don asked for things to bring to the february board meeting.

Please stay with the intent of the op and the topioc of the thread.

this thread will be split to allow the discussion of term limits, etc to continue




ok guys, february the 6th the kcbs board will be a having a day long planning meeting. I would love to hear what you would like to see come out of this meeting and kcbs. I not looking for bull here, but i do want to hear from you. Email me at the kcbs us at my user name of dharwell.

fyi - it was nice to see a lot of brethren in philly this weekend.

donh

ThomEmery
01-18-2010, 09:29 PM
Phil Sorry But that was our topic
The use of committees to advance the organization,
starting in Feb.

Ford LOL You know what we were referencing
Not some remote once a year gathering