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HBMTN
01-11-2010, 06:00 PM
After being involved just a couple years with KCBS I sure have some mixed emotions on how I feel about the organization. I just went into their website and I logged in and went to my team page. They (KCBS) have removed team members from my team page who are not registered KCBS members. Now I had a little problem with them when they went to where only members could view the info, but to remove names from my listing of team mates goes a little far. After two years competing I still wonder what they do to promote BBQ. I checked into starting a competition recently and you would not beleive the KCBS Fees to sanction a contest. All I have seen they do is put out a newsletter every month.

I guess my jury is still out on the organization. I would like to be able to understand them better for sure.

Bbq Bubba
01-11-2010, 06:11 PM
Should be a good thread! :)

MilitantSquatter
01-11-2010, 06:22 PM
Interesting....

cause my team is still listed and I haven't renewed by membership since Oct '08 or competed under that name since that time.

If I was competing again as the head cook and not helping Phil on his team or wanted to judge, I'd renew again. As a backyard cook, I don't see the benefits being worth my $35... I already have a RD card, get good hotel discounts from my company travel dept. and the Bullsheet is boring.

Focus is seems concentrated on signing up judges that drive the membership count and $, and expanding the contest aspect that will bring in sponsors. Nothing wrong with those goals but I'd like to see a little more emphasis on non-competitive aspects before to be more well balanced and cater to a wider audience.

HBMTN
01-11-2010, 06:36 PM
Interesting....

cause my team is still listed and I haven't renewed by membership since Oct '08 or competed under that name since that time.


Without being a member how do you check because I have to log in to even look at those pages. It's not that big of a deal but I had five names on there as team members not counting mine, two of them are not KCBS Members and their names have been removed and only the three that are members are on there. Plus they have changed it where I can not add members to my team.

Plus you have it exactly correct I think. If the only benefit for me to be a member is to get the Bull Sheet and qualify to judge once or twice a year I will probably reconsider my membership when it come due in September.

MilitantSquatter
01-11-2010, 06:40 PM
Without being a member how do you check because I have to log in to even look at those pages. It's not that big of a deal but I had five names on there as team members not counting mine, two of them are not KCBS Members and their names have been removed and only the three that are members are on there. Plus they have changed it where I can not add members to my team.

Plus you have it exactly correct I think. If the only benefit for me to be a member is to get the Bull Sheet and qualify to judge once or twice a year I will probably reconsider my membership when it come due in September.


We my be talking two different things...

I'm referring to the Team Bio's section

http://www.kcbs.us/teams.php

Either way, if someone at KCBS edited the team members, I think that kinda sucks and a waste of KCBS resources.

HBMTN
01-11-2010, 06:45 PM
Ok I logged out and can still get in there. I thought you had to be logged in to see it.

txschutte
01-11-2010, 07:03 PM
As we only do 1 or 2 KCBS contests per year, and we don't have an RD anywhere close, I don't care for the Bullsheet, I am letting my membership run out.

If I see a real positive for smaller non-sanctioned comps to become sanctioned, I may reconsider.

WannaBeBBQueen
01-12-2010, 08:06 AM
They removed all the members from my team that were not KCBS and one that was! Bullchit!

willkat98
01-12-2010, 08:19 AM
, I am letting my membership run out.



They removed all the members from my team that were not KCBS and one that was!

So I have not been a member for 2 years.

I had to put the KCBS domain on my email Spam filter, cuz I get continual updates on new KCBS Gear, all that farking balloting chit, and even candidate crap from the Board.

So they got some electronic nut jockey deleting non-member teammates from your team profiles, but don't take the time of day to purge their own God Damn Email lists!!!

WannaBeBBQueen
01-12-2010, 08:38 AM
So they got some electronic nut jockey deleting non-member teammates from your team profiles, but don't take the time of day to purge their own God Damn Email lists!!!

Doesn't make much sense to me either :confused:

CajunSmoker
01-12-2010, 08:43 AM
Seems like this thread would have been a good one to be in the "For the Board" section of the comp forum. Maybe one of the BOD members could shed a little light on things.

Divemaster
01-12-2010, 08:57 AM
They removed all the members from my team that were not KCBS and one that was! Bullchit!
So I just went to look at our bio and discovered that things had changes....

1) They changed the name of our team from 'Stockcar BBQ' to 'Stock Car B-B-Q'. I know that this doesn't seem like much but when I tell our sponsors to take a look at the bio and they can't find it, it's a problem to me.

2) They removed all the members of my team.

3) They cleared all of our bio information all the way down to our home town...

Thanks a lot KCBS...

WannaBeBBQueen
01-12-2010, 09:05 AM
So I just went to look at our bio and discovered that things had changes....

1) They changed the name of our team from 'Stockcar BBQ' to 'Stock Car B-B-Q'. I know that this doesn't seem like much but when I tell our sponsors to take a look at the bio and they can't find it, it's a problem to me.

2) They removed all the members of my team.

3) They cleared all of our bio information all the way down to our home town...

Thanks a lot KCBS...
There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason...it is our info!! Are you a KCBS member Jeff? nevermind stupid question. Wrong! this is just wrong :sad::eusa_clap

Divemaster
01-12-2010, 09:24 AM
There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason...it is our info!! Are you a KCBS member Jeff? nevermind stupid question. Wrong! this is just wrong :sad::eusa_clap
Yes, it is our data, but it is their database... They are storing it.

If they had a problem with it being cleared, damaged, or some other way compramised it would have been nice to have passed that information on to the membership. Again, I guess it goes back to communication with the members....

As for being a member, yes I am. The fact that they have removed non-members from our team lists and yet have not cleaned up and removed the teams of non-members.

Like you said, it just doesn't make sense....

Pig Headed
01-12-2010, 09:34 AM
I just checked and they removed 3 non KCBS members of our team from the page. Why bother when the heading clearly says that they only list teams with at least one KCBS member. We do comply with that criteria.

WannaBeBBQueen
01-12-2010, 09:43 AM
We complied with the criteria as well, but it doesn't seem to make a difference!

BBQchef33
01-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Same here. Took out all my team members, even my son, that were listed under BBQ Brethren.

Also I had my other team listed.. BBQ-Brethren - Brothers in Smoke" which somehow became "Bros In Smoke" with Robert Hansen as head cook. No clue who that is.

lets not speculate, i'd like to assume this was an error in a database migration, or dta transfer.. However, if its not......... i'dhave a different opinion..


Now, I can see them trying to keep their database clean. Thats one thing. But, (and I am speaking as a system administrator of 20+ years), there are things we just dont do, and that is EDIT peoples data. Even in this forum, the only time editing of user data is allowed, is to correct a spelling error in a title or tag(and that is done for search criteria). Admin staff will not just edit something because they dont like it. The state in their disclaimer that they are not responsibile for accuracy, yet they will edyi the data on their own? Changing team names, Bios, members, etc.. WTF?

Altering peoples data is just plain old wrong, IF that is what was done.


In this case(of the alteration on my bio page), its petty and ridiculous. In its simplest form, what advantage is seen by removing he name of a 14 year old team mate? They did however remove everyone else, member or not.

Removing the team mates of a head cook who has been cooking under KCBS for years.. What is that all about? what does it serve?

I have to agree, this ios something that really make me rethink things. Who are they looking out for? i would love to know the rationale behind something like this.

WineMaster
01-12-2010, 11:55 AM
Merl????Jeff(oh not yet) anybody??? Bueller..Bueller????

Divemaster
01-12-2010, 01:19 PM
I have sent an email to Carolyn Wells asking for an explanation.

Divemaster
01-12-2010, 03:03 PM
I sent the following email to Carolyn:
Carolyn,

I just went into my 'Team Bio' and not only found it blank, but also found that my team name had been changed. In checking with my friends on the BBQ-Brethren.com (http://bbq-brethren.com/) site, I am not the only one. They are finding that members of their teams are missing and other team names have also been changed.

For me, this is a smaller problem since I caught it before I gave out the information to potential sponsors, for others, I am sure that they are scrambling to get the data corrected before it’s discovered.

Why would you guys do this? I can just imagine what one of my new sponsors would have thought if I had given it to them to check.

For the record, my team name is ‘Stockcar BBQ’, not ‘Stock Car B-B-Q’. All of the write ups I had done are missing including the team photo I had posted. None of my team members are listed. It’s like the bio was deleted and re-added in hopes that no one would notice.

I would like a response as to what happened and also some assurance that if the data security is breached in this fashion again, that we would be informed of it.

Thank you,

and received the following reply:
Jeffrey,

First, let me apologize for the inconvenience you have experienced since the Team Bio changes. In an attempt to make the bio section easier for everyone to use and more accessible, some bios were deleted inadvertently. The team name you found in the Bio section is the team name that is registered with your membership. This has not changed, but instead, was pulled directly from our membership database. If you look at past Bullsheets you have received, you will notice that is the way we have always had it spelled in our database. I would be more than happy to change the spelling for you so that it appears correctly in the bio section and in your membership.

Please advise me exactly how you would like to have your team name spelled. Again, I apologize for the trouble.


Dawn Endrijaitis

Kansas City Barbeque Society
Team of the Year Coordinator
Manager, Member Services
800-963-5227
dawn@kcbs.us



I hope this helps.....

On Edit:
I do find it interesting that there was no assurance that if they ever had problems like this again that they would contact us.

I'm guessing that we, the members, are not high on the priority list.

willkat98
01-12-2010, 03:13 PM
I hope this helps.....


PM Sent

Stoke&Smoke
01-12-2010, 03:16 PM
our info was gone also, and both the wife and I are members. I think they might have had some kind of data loss incident, but as already stated, it wouldn't hurt to tell folks about it

Red Valley BBQ
01-12-2010, 03:49 PM
Has anybody found out why we can't edit the team members? I sent an email to KCBS but have yet to hear back.

Divemaster
01-12-2010, 03:53 PM
The following is part of the continuing saga of emails....

Jeff,

Thank you for your patience. Let your friends at the Brethren know they can always call or email me if they have a question or concern. J

If you check it now, you’ll see it has been fixed.

Dawn Endrijaitis
to which I replied....

Dawn,

Thank you for correcting the team name.

One issue still remains though. Are we, as members of KCBS, going to be notified if a breach in data integrity occurs again?

While the disclaimer does protect you from incorrect data supplied to you, KCBS is still responsible for the storage and safe keeping of that data.

I await your response,

Jeff
And I recieved back....

I am out of the office until Monday, January 18. If you need
immediate assistance, please contact the KCBS office @ 800-963-5227.

--
Dawn Endrijaitis


Looks like I may need to request permission to bring this up to the BOD over the weekend....

HBMTN
01-12-2010, 05:02 PM
If it was a system crash or something and info was lost I can understand, but then why do they have the team members locked where I can not edit team members to my info?

monty3777
01-12-2010, 07:38 PM
Ours is different as well. They also removed the little blurb that my partner in smoke added describing the team. His name has been removed from the team list, but he is listed as the only member of another team. However, the other "team" is actually a typo of our actual team name - a typo made when he was registered as a CBJ and included a team name.

MilitantSquatter
01-12-2010, 07:59 PM
So I have not been a member for 2 years.

I had to put the KCBS domain on my email Spam filter, cuz I get continual updates on new KCBS Gear, all that farking balloting chit, and even candidate crap from the Board.

So they got some electronic nut jockey deleting non-member teammates from your team profiles, but don't take the time of day to purge their own God Damn Email lists!!!

same here... we should compare notes !!!

willkat98
01-13-2010, 07:14 AM
same here... we should compare notes !!!

Oops.
My original post was a little strong worded, but I posted that when this thread was in Woodpile.

I would not have even seen it here, but was tracking my posts for follow up replies today.

Hope this all works out for you folks

JD McGee
01-13-2010, 11:42 AM
I just checked our team bio...they took out swamprb's name...there's a toll free number to call...gonna give it a shot. :mad:

Update...just got off the phone with Kay @ KCBS (very helpful lady btw). According to her you you can have KCBS members listed on your team even if they are listed on their own or other team(s). She said there should be an area to "add team members" on the team bio edit page. There is not. When I told her this she said it was a "Dawn" thing and that she is out of the office until Monday.

Update #2...got a call back from Kay @ KCBS...she now has the power to change team member information...but...according to her...it can only be done through KCBS. Give her a call...800-963-5227. BTW...Brian is now back on the team member list for "Left Hand Smoke"...Thanks Kay!

crd26a
01-13-2010, 02:37 PM
Looks like ours got changed as well

BBQchef33
01-13-2010, 04:48 PM
They deleted the entire Bio on mine too, So I just added the team names in the Bio area and will be putting my bio back later.

LindaM
01-14-2010, 02:51 AM
Yes, it is our data, but it is their database... They are storing it.

If they had a problem with it being cleared, damaged, or some other way compramised it would have been nice to have passed that information on to the membership. Again, I guess it goes back to communication with the members....

As for being a member, yes I am. The fact that they have removed non-members from our team lists and yet have not cleaned up and removed the teams of non-members.

Like you said, it just doesn't make sense....

Not only communication with members but the BOD as well. We were not aware those changes were made. The website is run by MMA and they have obviously taken liberties we are not aware of. It will be brought up at the board meeting in Philly I can promise you that.

HoDeDo
01-14-2010, 07:12 AM
ours too...

Scottie
01-14-2010, 10:57 AM
Not only communication with members but the BOD as well. We were not aware those changes were made. The website is run by MMA and they have obviously taken liberties we are not aware of. It will be brought up at the board meeting in Philly I can promise you that.


Especially when they are deleting team members who are actually KCBS members.

KC_Bobby
01-14-2010, 11:13 AM
Based on team members names being in caps, it appears that it is automatically feeding team members names based on the team name that matches up with the database.