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Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 11:21 AM
I'm having a 36' gooseneck toy hauler built with a 8.5x10 back porch. I will complete the interior myself. The builders are installing ceiling, walls, insulation, flooring, electrical and A/C. I want to run the plumbing, co-axe, wiring, electrical before they install floors and walls. The only problem is that I'm not very familiar with how RV/Camper plumbing wiring needs to be ran. Are there any books (Chilton) etc, or other sources to get schematics/blueprints......or help from a Brother thats traveled this road before.

Thanks!!!!

getyourrubonbbq
12-10-2009, 11:26 AM
I'm having a 36' gooseneck toy hauler built with a 8.5x10 back porch. I will complete the interior myself. The builders are installing ceiling, walls, insulation, flooring, electrical and A/C. I want to run the plumbing, co-axe, wiring, electrical before they install floors and walls. The only problem is that I'm not very familiar with how RV/Camper plumbing wiring needs to be ran. Are there any books (Chilton) etc, or other sources to get schematics/blueprints......or help from a Brother thats traveled this road before.

Thanks!!!!

Wouldn't be easier to let the manufacturer do it and then it's covered under a warranty? My experience is that this trailer will be on a production line and unless you know someone really well they won't slow that line down to let an individual come in and do their own work. Insurance regs. won't allow it either.

Captain Caveman
12-10-2009, 12:50 PM
Sounds like an awesome trailer. I would love to have something like that, but a little shorter. I built our trailer, and did the wiring myself. I had the plumming done. We used PEX tube for all of the water lines, because it isn't supposed to break if it freezes. We used a 120V 4 gallon hot water heater (from Home Depot). For pressure, we used a 12V (adapted to 120V) RV sur-flow water pump.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Wouldn't be easier to let the manufacturer do it and then it's covered under a warranty? My experience is that this trailer will be on a production line and unless you know someone really well they won't slow that line down to let an individual come in and do their own work. Insurance regs. won't allow it either.

Its a car hauler and the builders are not familiar with outfitting them like an RV. The cost is $11,000 for the rig and I will install a kitchen in the remainder of the trailer. Its not being used as a camper/RV, only a BBQ competition rig. I also want to install a toilet/shower and will put sleeping quarters in the "loft" area. I'm trying to keep overall costs to a minimum so I don't have to finance anything.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Sounds like an awesome trailer. I would love to have something like that, but a little shorter. I built our trailer, and did the wiring myself. I had the plumming done. We used PEX tube for all of the water lines, because it isn't supposed to break if it freezes. We used a 120V 4 gallon hot water heater (from Home Depot). For pressure, we used a 12V (adapted to 120V) RV sur-flow water pump.


Thanks! I've been on Ebay looking at pumps, fresh water tanks, grey/black water tanks etc. I think I can complete everything myself its just going to take some research and picking some people's brain cells (hahaha). Most of my friends have already killed too many brain cells to help thats why I decided to ask the Brethren LOL.

Captain Caveman
12-10-2009, 02:12 PM
I forgot to add that we have a 16 gal fresh water tank, and a 50 gal gray water tank. This is for dishes, and handwashing only. We don't have a bathroom. For us, this is enough water for most competition weekends. The Royal is a different story.

If I had it to do over again I would use a propane water heater, because power at some competitions is a pain in the arse.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 02:15 PM
I forgot to add that we have a 16 gal fresh water tank, and a 50 gal gray water tank. This is for dishes, and handwashing only. We don't have a bathroom. For us, this is enough water for most competition weekends. The Royal is a different story.

If I had it to do over again I would use a propane water heater, because power at some competitions is a pain in the arse.

Yeah last weekend we did our last competition of the year and I spoke with a guy with a 44ft rig. He said the same thing about not enough power at comps. I'm going with 48 gal fresh water tank; and 38 gal each grey/black water tanks.

Bones
12-10-2009, 02:45 PM
Yeah last weekend we did our last competition of the year and I spoke with a guy with a 44ft rig. He said the same thing about not enough power at comps. I'm going with 48 gal fresh water tank; and 38 gal each grey/black water tanks.
I am no expert but your gray water tank needs to be larger than your fresh water tank or you will over flow.

CivilWarBBQ
12-10-2009, 02:51 PM
Whatever you do, be sure to use flexible PEX tubing for your supply lines. We bought a trailer that the previous owner had plumbed himself using rigid PVC pipe. After two seasons of developing leaks at every single comp, I finally got fed up and ripped it all out and replaced it with PEX. Only had one leak since then and that was a simple loose fitting.

Keep in mind that unlike in a house, everything you put in a trailer is going to flex and move when you go down the road. If you don't provide for this, you WILL have leaks.

Ford
12-10-2009, 02:52 PM
Yeah last weekend we did our last competition of the year and I spoke with a guy with a 44ft rig. He said the same thing about not enough power at comps. I'm going with 48 gal fresh water tank; and 38 gal each grey/black water tanks.

If you ever plan on vending you need a bigger grey. Probalby 60 with 48 fresh. I'm looking at 60 with 50 fresh but not having any black.

You won't have enough power at most comps to run the AC. You need good 30 amp to run it and the trailer. Plan on having a generator. I'd get a generator bay built in and go from there.

Its a car hauler and the builders are not familiar with outfitting them like an RV. Have you talked to James at http://www.extremebbqtrailers.com/bbqcomptrailers.html. In the long run it may be cheaper. You'll also see his ad on the Memebr sales. The cost is $11,000 for the rig and I will install a kitchen in the remainder of the trailer. Its not being used as a camper/RV, only a BBQ competition rig. I also want to install a toilet/shower and will put sleeping quarters in the "loft" area. I'm trying to keep overall costs to a minimum so I don't have to finance anything.
Excellent price for a 36' gooseneck if it inlcudes wiring, interior insulated walls and AC. What will the walls be - washable is a good idea. Same for ceiling and what about lights? Using NSF approved now will make it a lot more valuable either for vending or resale. Are you going with 50 amp? If you're adding fridge and microwave and coffee maker you might want it. I suggest a DC water pump and an LP water heater - that needs a custom built vented compartment or you could burn the trailer down. Also may want them to run gas lines. Best suggestion is to have them run the plumbing and install the tanks. They can cap the lines thru the floor and you can install everything after that. If you build the toilet remeber the plumbing needs to be vented and if you don't know how to do it get a professional to do it.

getyourrubonbbq
12-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Yeah last weekend we did our last competition of the year and I spoke with a guy with a 44ft rig. He said the same thing about not enough power at comps. I'm going with 48 gal fresh water tank; and 38 gal each grey/black water tanks.

I would increase the size of your grey tank. Normally we install 40 fresh and 50 grey in our trailers.

WineMaster
12-10-2009, 03:39 PM
I would have James take over the project. His rigs look killer!!

Dan

getyourrubonbbq
12-10-2009, 03:53 PM
I would have James take over the project. His rigs look killer!!

Dan

Thanks Dan!!! I appreciate that. I'd be glad to help anyone with questions. It's a whole lot easier to install it ahead of time than try to retro fit something that's already complete. Especially if you're trying to conceal cable, pipes, tanks etc. Not to mention extra bracing and wiring for future roof AC. I also realize we all have budgets we are trying to stay in, but really in the long run by the time you buy everything seperately, the time/labor to install it all, have you really saved that much?

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 07:20 PM
I would increase the size of your grey tank. Normally we install 40 fresh and 50 grey in our trailers.

WOW your trailers are awesome!! It looks like you do incredible work.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 07:22 PM
I am no expert but your gray water tank needs to be larger than your fresh water tank or you will over flow.

My plan was to install 2 tanks at 38 gallons each (76 total).

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Thanks Dan!!! I appreciate that. I'd be glad to help anyone with questions. It's a whole lot easier to install it ahead of time than try to retro fit something that's already complete. Especially if you're trying to conceal cable, pipes, tanks etc. Not to mention extra bracing and wiring for future roof AC. I also realize we all have budgets we are trying to stay in, but really in the long run by the time you buy everything seperately, the time/labor to install it all, have you really saved that much?

The price includes an A/C unit and will already be braced. I figured $11K for trailer and another 11K for kitchen, appliances, generator, wiring, plumbing, etc. Don't think I could get a rig built for $20-22K. (I've already got 2 smokers that will be mounted on the porch.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 07:30 PM
whatever you do, be sure to use flexible pex tubing for your supply lines. We bought a trailer that the previous owner had plumbed himself using rigid pvc pipe. After two seasons of developing leaks at every single comp, i finally got fed up and ripped it all out and replaced it with pex. Only had one leak since then and that was a simple loose fitting.

Keep in mind that unlike in a house, everything you put in a trailer is going to flex and move when you go down the road. If you don't provide for this, you will have leaks.

thanks !!!

getyourrubonbbq
12-10-2009, 08:15 PM
The price includes an A/C unit and will already be braced. I figured $11K for trailer and another 11K for kitchen, appliances, generator, wiring, plumbing, etc. Don't think I could get a rig built for $20-22K. (I've already got 2 smokers that will be mounted on the porch.

PM sent. The main thing to keep in mind is if you ever plan on serving the public you'll have to have basically an NSF stampted kitchen. The HD's get very picky. I'm not sure the requirements in your area, but I'd get a copy of their rules/regs.

Rightstuff
12-10-2009, 08:22 PM
PM sent. The main thing to keep in mind is if you ever plan on serving the public you'll have to have basically an NSF stampted kitchen. The HD's get very picky. I'm not sure the requirements in your area, but I'd get a copy of their rules/regs.

Thanks a lot. Your trailers are the best I've seen. I appreciate your help and I look forward to speaking with you.

getyourrubonbbq
12-10-2009, 08:34 PM
I'd be glad to help anyway I can. There's normally a 2-4 week design/layout process with my customers, we provide them with CAD drawings to review and make sure everyone is on the same page based on their desired requirements and the functionality of their trailer.

big brother smoke
12-10-2009, 08:58 PM
^^^^^ Your trailers look awesome:cool:

getyourrubonbbq
12-11-2009, 08:52 AM
Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliments, but I don't want to be the focus of this thread. If anyone has any suggestions or resources for Rightstuff let's try to help him out. This thread is about him. I'm just offering advice as anyone else would.