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motoeric
11-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Here is a fairly extensive list of the votes taken by the BoD for 2009. Again, I hope this helps people when making their decision on who to vote for.
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2009 KCBS BOARD OF DIRECTORS VOTING


JANUARY, 2009



Don Harwell made a motion that for the 2009 Season competition cooking team shall be tracked by the Head Cook’s KCBS membership number, for purposed of Team of the Year. Passed. (no specific voting record or vote count announced)




Merl Whitebook made a motion for KCBS to adopt a policy which would require that each program, contract or venture of KCBS in the future, be budgeted and be economically sound and calculated to at least break even without economic loss to KCBS. Vote: 3 yes, 8 no 0 abstentions. Motion failed.


FEBRUARY, 2009



The Board considered a motion which would allow members to speak at the beginning of the meetings on any issue or any agenda item, though the KCBS conference call system and to place a recording of the KCBS meeting on the website which could be accessed by members.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion failed 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions




The Board considered a motion which would require KCBS to not enter into or conduct a program, contract or venture of KCBS in the future, which is not calculated to be economically sound and projected to at least break even without the Board first appropriating and approving the amount of estimated economic loss to KCBS. At no time may KCBS expend an amount greater than the economic loss which was approved by the Board.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
Vote 5 Yes, 6 no 0 abstentions, the motion failed.




The Board approved the voluntary use of Comment Cards by CBJ’s and other judges to provide comments for Cooks
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, yes
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, yes
Ed Roith, yes
Tana Shupe, yes
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion for the voluntary use of comment cards passes Vote: 9 yes 2 no 0 abstentions




The Board considered a motion to modify the “Licensed Contests” agreement to allow State Proclamations.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea yes,
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, yes
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook no
The motion failed with a vote of 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions




The board discussed a motion that the MP3 recording of the open portions of all board meetings (Annual, Regular and Call) be place on our WEB under the members only section. \
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion fails by a vote of 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions





A motion was approved for KCBS end the practice of putting cooking classes in the Bullsheet and on the web, without a charge, to be effective April 1, 2009.
Vote:
Rod Gray, abstain
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, abstain
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
5 yes, 4 no 2 abstentions, the motion passes.





A motion was made to remove Ranking as a method of scoring for ancillary contest.
Vote:
Rod Gray, abstain
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, Did not vote
Paul Kirk, yes
Wayne Lohman, yes
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, yes
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
Vote 7 yes, 2 no, 1 Abstention and one member was absent from the vote. The motion to discontinue the use of Ranking to score ancillary contests, passes.




A motion was made to make all rules, forms and programs effective January 1, of each year beginning in 2010.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
Vote 5 yes, 6 no, 0 abstentions, the motion to implement all rules forms and programs on a calendar year basis, motion fails.


MARCH, 2009



“The technology committee will work with other providers to obtain the FREE dial in number connections so that no prepayment is necessary and only registration to dial into the Board of Directors meeting is required. Any member in Good Standing will be permitted to access all portions of the Board of Directors meeting except for “executive session” online listening only. This maybe limited to a certain number of members based on the conference call abilities. Any member who has provided a form to the Secretary to speak at the Board Meeting regarding an agenda item or a general topic, shall be recognized at the appropriate time in the agenda, or at the beginning of the agenda item he/she has registered to speak, and will allowed to address the board via the conference call system.”
Vote:
Rod Gray No
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk Yes
Linda Mullane Yes
Steve Ownby No
Wayne Lohman No
Gene Goycochea Yes
Carol Whitebook Yes
Ed Roith Yes
Merl Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe Yes
The motion for telephone access passes 8 Yes, 3 No, 0 Abstentions.




The Board discussed the members only section and it was determined that Team Bios will remain in the public section of the KCBS web site. Matters such as KCBS Bylaws, forms, how to break a time, critiques, guide for meat inspections and other materials should be moved the members only section.



APRIL, 2009



Merl Whitebook made a motion to modify the By Laws to modify the composition of the Board: Regional Board Representation
It is therefore proposed that the make up of the Board of Directors be as follows:
6 members at large to serve 3 years terms with a two term limit.
6 regional members to serve 3 years terms with two term limit.
Regions would be as follows:
KC/MO Kansas and Missouri
Southern Region Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee.
Mid-Western Region Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa. South Dakota, North Dakota
Eastern Region South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont and New York. Pennsylvania
Western Region Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii and International
Ohio Valley and Northern Region Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.

Vote:
Rod Gray no
Don Harwell yes
Paul Kirk no
Linda Mullane yes
Steve Ownby no
Wayne Lohman no
Gene Goycochea yes
Carol Whitebook yes
Ed Roith no
Merl Whitebook yes
Tana Shupe no
Motion to modify the By Laws fails


MAY, 2009



Ed Roith made a motion to reinstate personnel whom had previously been terminated from providing services to KCBS. The motion was seconded by Tana Shupe.
Vote:
8 yes, 2 no, 1 abstention
The motion to reinstate personnel passes.




Merl Whitebook made a motion to approve all timely requested sanctioning requests (including licenses), and to table those 4 which were late. The motion for approval was seconded by Paul Kirk.

Vote:
7 yes, 4 no, 0 abstentions




Wayne Lohman made a motion to suspend the rules and approve an emergency date change for the Whitehorn Cove, Wagoner, Oklahoma contest scheduled for Memorial Day way due to flooding of the contest area and approve the new date of July 24-25. The motion was seconded by Carol Whitebook.
Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstain
The motion to suspend the rules and allow the date change to July 24-25 for the Whitehorn Cove contest was approved.


JUNE, 2009



Merl Whitebook made a motion to deny the appeal of personnel matter from a Contest Rep. Vote:
Gene Goycochea Yes
Wayne Lohman No
Linda Mullane Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk No
Ed Roith Yes
Steve Ownby No
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe No
Rod Gray Yes
Merl Whitebook Yes The motion to deny appeal, passed.
Merl Whitebook made a motion to waive ‘Rule 2” to allow teams to compete in a single place at a 3 contest -2 day event which had previous been sanctioned by KCBS to occur.
Vote:
Gene Goycochea Yes
Wayne Lohman Yes
Linda Mullane Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk Yes
Ed Roith Yes
Steve Ownby No
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe Abstain
Rod Gray No
Merl Whitebook Yes

The motion to waive rule 2 for a single event 3 contest passes.




Gene Goycochea made a motion to approve a non monetized member benefit to be negotiated with Restaurant Depot.
Vote:
11 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstention
The motion passes




Merl Whitebook made a motion which would require Organizers beginning 2010 to advertise the actual “cash prize award” separate from other prizes or awards.
Vote:
11 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstention




Merl Whitebook made a motion to change the rotation of the annual banquet to provide that the 2010 banquet shall be held at a regional location to be determined and the 2011 annual banquet shall be held in Kansas City area to celebrate the 25th anniversary of KCBS.
Vote:
Gene Goycochea Yes
Wayne Lohman Yes
Linda Mullane Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk Yes
Ed Roith Yes
Steve Ownby Yes
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe Yes
Rod Gray No
Merl Whitebook Yes

The motion passes




Merl Whitebook made a motion to immediately establish an interim publication committee to review the Bullsheet content until a publication policy is adopted.

Vote
Gene Goycochea Yes
Wayne Lohman No
Linda Mullane Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk No
Ed Roith Yes
Steve Ownby No
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe No
Rod Gray No
Merl Whitebook Yes

The motion to create an interim publication committee passes.




Don Harwell made a motion to have legal prepare an appropriate release to signed at contests where food is taken home by judges.

Vote:
10 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstentions
The motion passes




Don Harwell made a motion to have recommended guideline to organizers to limit the size of ancillary turn in tray or container to approximately an 11’ by 14” dimension.

Vote:
10 Yes, 0 No 0 Abstentions
The motion passes




Don Harwell made a motion that when determining the number of teams at a contest, all teams, including master series or backyard for which the Contest Reps are responsible, are to be included for purposes of determining the number of reps required at a contest.
Vote:
10 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstention
The motion to count all cooks which the Rep is responsible for passes.




Merl Whitebook made a motion to approve a resolution of an appeal by a member concerning the issue of the amount of prize payment as advertised by a contest.
Vote:
Gene Goycochea Yes
Wayne Lohman Yes
Linda Mullane Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk not present
Ed Roith Abstain
Steve Ownby Abstain
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe Yes
Rod Gray No
Merl Whitebook Yes
The motion passes.

JULY, 2009



The Board accepted the resignation from the Board of Directors of KCBS. Thereafter, the following names were place in nomination to fill the remaining term:

Mike Budai,
Barbara Millroy
Steve Farin
Michael Terry
Vote:
Ed Roith Mike Budai
Linda Mullane Steve Farin
Paul Kirk Mike Budai
Gene Goycochea Barb Milroy
Steve Ownby Mike Budai
Don Harwell Barb Milroy
Wayne Lohman Mike Budai
Carol Whitebook Barb Milroy
Tana Shupe Mike Budai
Merl Whitebook Barb Milroy

Mike Budai is elected to serve the remaining term on the Board of Directors




The Board next considered filling the vacancy for the Office of Treasurer. Merl Whitebook made a motion to table the election until the August meeting in order to allow Mike Budai to present his qualifications and a statement in support of his election. Paul Kirk seconded the motion

Vote
11 yes, 0 no 0 abstentions
The election was tabled until the August meeting.




Tana Shupe made a motion to fund the grant request by the Corliss Johnson Cancer Foundation (cancersuckchicago.com) and Kooker Kare in the amount of $5,000.00 each to be paid in two payments. The motion was seconded by Merl Whitebook

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The Grant request are funded as stated in the motion.




Tana Shupe made a motion to provide a remedy of censure to a board member or members who fail to follow basic rules of etiquette and professional behavior during board meetings. The motion was seconded by Steve Ownby.
Vote:
Ed Roith Yes
Linda Mullane Yes
Paul Kirk Yes
Gene Goycochea Yes
Steve Ownby Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Wayne Lohman Yes
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe Yes
Merl Whitebook Yes
The motion passes.




Don Harwell made a motion to adopt Robert’s Rules of Order Tenth Addition. The motion was seconded by Gene Goycochea
Vote:
Ed Roith No
Linda Mullane Yes
Paul Kirk No
Gene Goycochea Yes
Steve Ownby No
Don Harwell Yes
Wayne Lohman No
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe No
Merl Whitebook Yes
The vote being a tie, Mike Lake cast the deciding vote: No
The motion failed.




The Board discussed the issue of a Contest Rep allowing a late entry. Carol Whitebook made a motion for KCBS to pay the correct amounts to correct the error both in the category and overall. The motion was seconded by Steve Ownby,
Vote:
10 yes, 0 no, 1 abstain
The motion passes




Carol Whitebook made a motion to correct team of the year points to correct error of accepting a late turn in. The motion was seconded by Wayne Lohman.

Vote
10 yes, 0 no 1 abstain
The motion passes


August 09
34. Gene presented a proposal to purchase the banners to be displayed at the Judging area promoting KCBS and membership, in order to aid Contest Reps in promoting KCBS at contest. Gorilla Banners agreed to provide KCBS with the banners at a substation discount to support our organization. Gene made a motion to purchase the banners from Gorilla Banners. Paul Kirk seconded the motion.

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The motion to purchase KCBS promotional banners passes.

35. Don Harwell reported in July we had 9 members request to monitor the meeting with 6 calling in.
Don reported that KCBS has received a proposal from Garry Howard for the Web/DB integration.
Don reported that KCBS has obtained a proposal from Informatec to upgrade the office from a desktop to server environment. Don Harwell made a motion to engage InformaTec to upgrade the KCBS office to a server environment at a cost of $7,412.50. The motion was seconded by Merl Whitebook.

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The motion to engage InformaTec and upgrade the office to a server environment passes

36. Linda Mullane reported that a survey will be on the KCBS website to obtain member input as to Team of the Year procedures. The survey will be available in September, 2009.

Linda Mullane brought up the issue of Certified Table Captain classed. Linda urged that many people desire to participate in KCBS contests, but prefer not to judge due to personal preference or health reasons. Linda Mullane made a motion that the Certified Table Captain class be available to all members of KCBS or those who desire to become a member of KCBS. The motion was seconded by Carol Whitebook.

Vote:
Mike Budai No
Gene Goycochea Yes
Don Harwell Yes
Paul Kirk Yes
Wayne Lohman No
Linda Mullane Yes
Carol Whitebook Yes
Tana Shupe No
Steve Ownby No
Ed Roith No
Merl Whitebook Yes

6 yes, 5 no, 0 abstentions
The motion to allow all members of KCBS to become attend and become Certified Barbeque Judges, passes.

37. Merl Whitebook urged that KCBS adopt a policy and procedure to waive a certificate of insurance when under the Political Tort Claims Acts, a governmental agency is prevented by law from providing a certificate of insurance.

Merl Whitebook made a motion to grant a waive to any governmental agency upon receipt from the attorney for the governmental agency stating
1. The writer is familiar with requirements for a certificate of insurance in favor of KCBS.
2. Pursuant to the ordinance or statutes (to be cited) the political subdivision cannot by law provide a certificate of insurance which would comply with the requirements of the sanctioning agreement and a waiver is required.

The motion was seconded by Gene Goycochea

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions

38. The Board adopted the following schedule for this year’s election procedure for Board of Nomination period - October 1, 2009 and closes October 31, 2009
Candidates will submit picture, bio, campaign platforms and answers to the election questionnaire. to be received the KCBS office %Carolyn@kcbs and Mwhitebook@kcbs.us by November 10, 2009.

Ads will be published in the Bullsheet along with the election questionnaire – in the December and January additions of the Bullsheet.

The eligible voters to be qualified to vote are members in good standing of KCBS as of December 15, 2009.

Voting for the candidates to the Board of Directors will begin though Elections online beginning January 2, 2010 and ending January 15, 2010 at 12:00 a.m. CST.

Election results and notification of the winners of the 2010 election will be announced at the Banquet: January 16, 2010.

The motion was seconded by Carol Whitebook

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The board adopted the procedures and dates for the 2010 election for KCBS Board of Directors.


40. The KCBS Board is hereby requested by Myron Mixon of Jack's Old South competition cooking team, whom upon discovering an inadvertent error in registering for two contests on the same date, under the same name, and to further the Spirit of BBQ competition and the Creed of KCBS that the results of each contest be modified to award the Reserve Grand Champion in each case. The Grand Championship and all other places should be corrected accordingly. Jack’s Old South wants to do what is right and honorable thing.
Myron Mixon stated he made a mistake in filling out his applications and he is sorry for that. Jack's Old South was meeting an obligation and promise he made to a friend and organizer of the Myrtle Beach, SC contest several months ago. After that the TLC BBQ Reality Show came along and it was a fast paced deal. Myron Mixon never intended to get or want points from two contests. The KCBS Board stated Myron Mixon has never done anything but promote BBQ, KCBS and other BBQ events. Myron Mixon and Jack's Old South is a team of integrity that loves BBQ and the competition and will compete by the rules of any organization and abide by those rules.

The motion was seconded by Merl Whitebook.

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The motion passes to correct the scores at the two contests.

41. Carol Whitebook made a motion to suspend a Contest Rep until May 1, 2010, for soliciting a contest organizer for a contest. The motion was second by Ed Roith

Vote:
10 yes, 0 no, Linda Mullane abstained.
The motion to suspend a Contest Rep passes.

42. Linda Mullane made a motion that the office include the names of Contest Reps requested by Organizers be included in the reports of soft approval of contests and licensed contests be sent to the Board of Directors. The motion was seconded by Merl Whitebook.

Vote:
11 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions
The motion to include the name of requested Contest Reps, passes.

43. Linda Mullane made a motion to require judges names and other team numbers be redacted when judging slips which have been requested, are sent to cooks. The motion was seconded by Ed Roith.

Vote:
10 yes 1 no, 0 abstention
The motion to redact information on judges slips sent to cooks, passes.

44. Ed Roith made a motion to increase the fee structure for CBJ class instructors. Beginning immediately, instructors shall be paid a flat fee of $300.00 for CBJ classes up to 54 students. Any class number above 54, the instructor will be paid a fee of $350.00. This will not apply to classes associated with a KCBS contest.

The motion was seconded by Don Harwell.

Vote:
Mike Budai yes
Gene Goycochea Abstain
Don Harwell yes
Paul Kirk no
Wayne Lohman yes
Linda Mullane yes
Carol Whitebook yes
Tana Shupe yes
Steve Ownby yes
Ed Roith Abstain
Merl Whitebook Abstain

7 yes 1 no, 3 abstentions
The motion to change CBJ instructor fees, passes.
Note: The members of the Board who are CBJ instructors abstained in this vote.

NOTES: I didn’t include every vote. Votes for things such as opening and closing meetings, votes for approving events and votes to move in and out of executive committee were not included.
I don’t have the October minutes, so those are not included.

ssbbqguy
11-06-2009, 08:57 PM
Very well done. With that info condensed, it males it easier to make a more informed decision. Steve.

Westexbbq
11-06-2009, 09:48 PM
That's one heck of a re-cap job,
very informative,
nice going.

motoeric
11-06-2009, 10:14 PM
Thanks for the kind words, but I only compiled a quarter of the list or less. Can't really take credit for it.

I hope it helps.

Eric

Smoke'n Ice
11-07-2009, 08:13 AM
Interesting when they are all in a row like this:

There was a motion made in July to table the selection of a treasurer until the august meeting. Since it was not voted on in august, does KCBS have a treasurer? or who is watching the money?

Rich Parker
11-07-2009, 08:36 AM
Interesting when they are all in a row like this:

There was a motion made in July to table the selection of a treasurer until the august meeting. Since it was not voted on in august, does KCBS have a treasurer? or who is watching the money?

Doesn't look like they care to much about the money after reading this one.

The Board considered a motion which would require KCBS to not enter into or conduct a program, contract or venture of KCBS in the future, which is not calculated to be economically sound and projected to at least break even without the Board first appropriating and approving the amount of estimated economic loss to KCBS. At no time may KCBS expend an amount greater than the economic loss which was approved by the Board.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
Vote 5 Yes, 6 no 0 abstentions, the motion failed.

Bunny
11-07-2009, 11:41 AM
To all KCBS Members:

I started out with good intentions to run for the KCBS Board of Directors but soon learned I cannot possibly fulfill the position. News from my family will demand more attention, which could affect my dedication to serve on the Board.

I apologize to anyone affected by my nomination withdrawal but it’s a decision that will be positive for my family as well as the KCBS Board. I absolutely love KCBS and what it stands for and truly believe in its mission. I will still be involved as a KCBS rep and cooking in competition, but the Board demands a lot of extra time in which I now need to divert elsewhere. Thank you to Tana Shupe who believed enough in me to nominate me for the Board and to those who supported me.

I would like to take this opportunity to express my support for Jeff Stith, Big Creek BBQ, who has positive visions for KCBS. He is truly dedicated to promote KCBS and is ready to tackle concerns from its members. I agree with his views and promote his candidacy for Board of Directors.


Respectfully submitted,
Bunny Tuttle

Merl
11-07-2009, 01:17 PM
Doesn't look like they care to much about the money after reading this one.

The Board considered a motion which would require KCBS to not enter into or conduct a program, contract or venture of KCBS in the future, which is not calculated to be economically sound and projected to at least break even without the Board first appropriating and approving the amount of estimated economic loss to KCBS. At no time may KCBS expend an amount greater than the economic loss which was approved by the Board.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
Vote 5 Yes, 6 no 0 abstentions, the motion failed.

According to the 2008, 990 filed on guidestar.com, KCBS lost $75,000.00 in 2008, that is why these motions to have budget constraints were brought up. For three years I have urged motions to operate under budget constraints, each of which have been defeated. Last year is the first year to experience a major budge deficit.

Merl

motoeric
11-07-2009, 04:32 PM
These two issues and the fact that they didn't pass are of concern to me:

The Board considered a motion which would allow members to speak at the beginning of the meetings on any issue or any agenda item, though the KCBS conference call system and to place a recording of the KCBS meeting on the website which could be accessed by members.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion failed 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions

The board discussed a motion that the MP3 recording of the open portions of all board meetings (Annual, Regular and Call) be place on our WEB under the members only section. \
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion fails by a vote of 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions

Jeff_in_KC
11-07-2009, 06:06 PM
Eric, yes, those are two troubling votes for me as well. As you know, I am a huge supporter of transparency and open communication. Granted, we don't know the circumstances of these votes and what might have been discussed prior to a vote being taken but on the surface at least, if you are in favor of being heard and being able to listen to board meetings, take a look at who voted no and vote yourself in January!

LindaM
11-07-2009, 08:57 PM
These two issues and the fact that they didn't pass are of concern to me:

The Board considered a motion which would allow members to speak at the beginning of the meetings on any issue or any agenda item, though the KCBS conference call system and to place a recording of the KCBS meeting on the website which could be accessed by members.
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion failed 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions

The board discussed a motion that the MP3 recording of the open portions of all board meetings (Annual, Regular and Call) be place on our WEB under the members only section. \
Vote:
Rod Gray, no
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, no
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, no
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
The motion fails by a vote of 4 yes, 7 no, 0 abstentions


The vote not to allow taping or MP3 was defeated because of information brought forth in discussion which could effect any legal actions possibly brought against KCBS. The following month the dial in to meeting was approved.

Jeff_in_KC
11-07-2009, 10:32 PM
The vote not to allow taping or MP3 was defeated because of information brought forth in discussion which could effect any legal actions possibly brought against KCBS. The following month the dial in to meeting was approved.

So Linda, are you saying that on the first of those two votes, you would have voted yes for it that last part about placing a recording on the Web site had not been included?

LindaM
11-08-2009, 04:35 PM
So Linda, are you saying that on the first of those two votes, you would have voted yes for it that last part about placing a recording on the Web site had not been included?

The following month I was the one who brought the motion to the floor to allow the calling in of membership. The recorded part is what I objected to from the discussion. A little more insight is I was the person who seconded Merl's original proposal and then after discussion voted against it.

Jeff_in_KC
11-08-2009, 05:25 PM
The following month I was the one who brought the motion to the floor to allow the calling in of membership. The recorded part is what I objected to from the discussion. A little more insight is I was the person who seconded Merl's original proposal and then after discussion voted against it.


Here's my thought on all these so called fears that board members have about being sued over something they've done or said in meetings during which a recorded meeting would help in preservation of "evidence"... our own Congress is live AND recorded on C-Span every day. Surely they have more urgent and life or death issues to debate than barbeque and yet those sessions are recorded and always available publicly. If there is such a fear, maybe folks should watch what they say in a public meeting and always act responsibly and ethically. And if you are, what's to fear with recorded meetings?

drbbq
11-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Does anyone else find it interesting that Merl consistently votes for open meetings?

ThomEmery
11-08-2009, 10:45 PM
:) Yes He has supported the open meetings movement

No lets argue nepotism once more
Hard to believe that is going back up the flag pole

Merl
11-08-2009, 10:54 PM
:) Yes He has supported the open meetings movement

No lets argue nepotism once more
Hard to believe that is going back up the flag pole

A few will never end the fight. I don't know how many times I have defend my record. I just wish people would review my voting record, before they warm up the tar and feathers. Who has really been supporting cooks and who was the board member who was about the old guard? Just shoot me.
Merl

Jeff_in_KC
11-08-2009, 11:04 PM
:) No lets argue nepotism once more
Hard to believe that is going back up the flag pole

Seeing as how BOD members are elected by members and not appointed, the very fact they call it nepotism is even ridiculous.

monty3777
11-09-2009, 12:53 PM
I also find it humorous that Merl is the one who is often cited as using legal threats yet he is the one who supports open meetings while others, as was mentioned earlier, are the ones worried about litigation. Listen, I've met Merl twice - sure he doesn't remember me - but he didn't seem anything like the person he was made out to be on the boards.

As far as nepotism, the word actually means something - it means that you give a job to someone who is related that has nothing to do with that person's merit. Unless Merl hired his wife to be on the board (which he didn't) and she is unworthy of the job (which she isn't) the word is meaningless in this context.

arlieque
11-09-2009, 11:34 PM
If the husband / wife deal is bought up again after voted down several times the person who brings it up should be kicked off the board. If I rememeber right the KCBS was built by a husband and wife team, right? I could be wrong? Untill the BOD votes and changes the BY-Laws to let the members vote on this it is a dead issue or should be. Lets get on to why KCBS is losing money and 75K in the hole before it is gone.

Jeff_in_KC
11-09-2009, 11:56 PM
Lets get on to why KCBS is losing money and 75K in the hole before it is gone.

A big reason was the start up expenses for the BBQ Tour (vehicle, trailer, etc.) However, I understand the $75K should be more than covered by the revenue raised from said tour.

drbbq
11-10-2009, 06:38 AM
How do you know that Jeff?

Ford
11-10-2009, 07:56 AM
How do you know that Jeff?
I've heard it will be announced in January at the banquet when MMA presents the KCBS with a check. I also heard that the tour has been very successful and that the amount will be substantial. Just how much we won't know until the banquet but numbers I've heard will more than cover startup costs.

This is another case of the BOD shooting themselves in the foot by not making an interim announcement of how well it is going. While I have many firends and others I respect on the BOD it's obvious they need some help in communications.

ThomEmery
11-10-2009, 09:06 AM
KCBS should have its own members only forum
Yea there would be work to do
But a lot of folks would join KCBS to get in there
A easy way to communicate

drbbq
11-10-2009, 11:17 AM
I've heard it will be announced in January at the banquet when MMA presents the KCBS with a check. I also heard that the tour has been very successful and that the amount will be substantial. Just how much we won't know until the banquet but numbers I've heard will more than cover startup costs.

This is another case of the BOD shooting themselves in the foot by not making an interim announcement of how well it is going. While I have many firends and others I respect on the BOD it's obvious they need some help in communications.

Yeah, they communicate through the good old boy network just like always. Seems a lot of people have heard stuff and I've heard some numbers tossed around but unless you have one of the good old boys telling you, there's no communication.

Merl
11-10-2009, 01:01 PM
Yeah, they communicate through the good old boy network just like always. Seems a lot of people have heard stuff and I've heard some numbers tossed around but unless you have one of the good old boys telling you, there's no communication.

I guess if your not on the BOD you get more information. I just received an estimate of the proceeds Monday. You guys have more information that the BOD does. Could you please share it with us, so that the BOD can feel informed.

Who gives out this information. I want to know who to talk to.

Merl

Jeff_in_KC
11-10-2009, 04:17 PM
Merl, I just ask questions, that's all. :wink:

Smoke'n Ice
11-12-2009, 06:31 PM
Interesting read on the voting for the board.

The following members voted "YES" more than 90 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up :
Carol, Merl, Gene, & Don.

The following members voted "NO" more than 90 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Wayne, Steve & Rod (until he resigned).

The following members voted "YES" more than 50 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Linda

The following members voted "NO" more than 50 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Tana

The following members voted "NO" or "ABSTAINED" more than 75 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Ed, Paul

The following members voted "NO" 100 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up when he had the opportunity to vote:
Mike

CivilWarBBQ
11-12-2009, 08:01 PM
KCBS should have its own members only forum
Yea there would be work to do
But a lot of folks would join KCBS to get in there
A easy way to communicate


yes, Yes, YES!

I have had this opinion from the very first time I stumbled on the KCBS site. I understand there is a history between Ray Basso and KCBS, but the time is long past due to provide the membership with a modern, full-featured forum operated under the official auspices of KCBS.

Every other venue (including this board) operates under the moderation of third parties with their own motivations and agendas. An online forum controlled directly by KCBS, be it by BoD, Staff or Committee is the best method to supply trusted and true real time information to the membership at large, wherever they may live.

I think everyone will agree that KCBS.us has been vastly improved since MMA re-imagined it. Adding a members forum should be high on the To-Do List for 2010.

Smoke'n Ice
11-12-2009, 08:57 PM
[QUOTE=KCBS.us has been vastly improved since MMA re-imagined it. QUOTE]
Exactly what did they re=imagined and what did it cost? Inquiring minds wish to know:confused:

motoeric
11-12-2009, 09:04 PM
Interesting read on the voting for the board.

The following members voted "YES" more than 90 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up :
Carol, Merl, Gene, & Don.

The following members voted "NO" more than 90 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Wayne, Steve & Rod (until he resigned).

The following members voted "YES" more than 50 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Linda

The following members voted "NO" more than 50 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Tana

The following members voted "NO" or "ABSTAINED" more than 75 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up:
Ed, Paul

The following members voted "NO" 100 percent of the time on a majority of the contested issues that came up when he had the opportunity to vote:
Mike


That is EXCELLENT information. Thank you for putting that together. Can you please explain what 'majority of the contested issues' means?

Great work!

Eric

motoeric
11-12-2009, 09:07 PM
Regardless of whether or not I agree with Mike, at least he is in there voting. Do you happen to have the amount of times that Paul abstained handy? With repeated 'no reports' I would be very sorry to hear that he also abstains disproportionately.

Eric

Jeff_in_KC
11-12-2009, 10:04 PM
Honestly, what does this tell you? So someone voted yes or no a certain percentage of the time. It's what those issues were that makes it important how they voted, not just that they voted one way or another.

watertowerbbq
11-12-2009, 10:32 PM
Honestly, what does this tell you? So someone voted yes or no a certain percentage of the time. It's what those issues were that makes it important how they voted, not just that they voted one way or another.

I think it means that in most situations, the lines were drawn before the vote even occurred.

When I read it, it appeared that Merl made a majority of the motions and from the stats provided above, 90% of the time the same group voted yes and the other group voted no. I sure would like to know the context of some of those discussions and votes.

ThomEmery
11-13-2009, 12:06 AM
yes, Yes, YES!

I have had this opinion from the very first time I stumbled on the KCBS site. I understand there is a history between Ray Basso and KCBS, but the time is long past due to provide the membership with a modern, full-featured forum operated under the official auspices of KCBS.

Every other venue (including this board) operates under the moderation of third parties with their own motivations and agendas. An online forum controlled directly by KCBS, be it by BoD, Staff or Committee is the best method to supply trusted and true real time information to the membership at large, wherever they may live.

I think everyone will agree that KCBS.us has been vastly improved since MMA re-imagined it. Adding a members forum should be high on the To-Do List for 2010.

Well maybe when the new BoD takes office we can make some progress on this

CivilWarBBQ
11-13-2009, 02:51 AM
[QUOTE=KCBS.us has been vastly improved since MMA re-imagined it. QUOTE]
Exactly what did they re=imagined and what did it cost? Inquiring minds wish to know:confused:

You'd have to ask Mike about the costs - the Website redesign was part of the package deal of services in the contract between MMA and KCBS.

Maybe you never saw the old site, but frankly it was embarrassing. There was practically no useful content for members and it looked like a middle-school student project, not a portal for the world's largest cook-off sanctioning organization. I'm not claiming the site is perfect now, but the improvement over what we used to have is dramatic.

drbbq
11-13-2009, 07:03 AM
Kind of disrespectful Gowan. You weren't there when I had to wrestle the website away from an old guard board member after he told us he actually owned it instead of us. I think the last version was a whole lot better than what we would have had if I hadn't taken all those lumps. Believe me, they weren't going to spend any money on it at that time and Garry Howard and I did a pretty good job given the circumstances.

[QUOTE=Smoke'n Ice;1084161]


Maybe you never saw the old site, but frankly it was embarrassing. There was practically no useful content for members and it looked like a middle-school student project, not a portal for the world's largest cook-off sanctioning organization. I'm not claiming the site is perfect now, but the improvement over what we used to have is dramatic.

CivilWarBBQ
11-13-2009, 07:23 AM
Kind of disrespectful Gowan. You weren't there when I had to wrestle the website away from an old guard board member after he told us he actually owned it instead of us. I think the last version was a whole lot better than what we would have had if I hadn't taken all those lumps. Believe me, they weren't going to spend any money on it at that time and Garry Howard and I did a pretty good job given the circumstances.

Not at all Ray.

Like thousands of other visitors to KCBS.US, I had no knowledge of any drama behind the scenes. Therefore my comments have nothing to do with personalities. Rather, I'm related an honest opinion of the product itself. (True blind judging in the KCBS tradition!) If you say the site was even worse circa pre-2005 I believe you. That doesn't change the fact that prior to MMA taking over the project our organization's Web presence was far from professional by 21st century standards.

Smoke'n Ice
11-13-2009, 07:48 AM
That is EXCELLENT information. Thank you for putting that together. Can you please explain what 'majority of the contested issues' means?

Great work!

Eric

By contested vote I used only thoes votes that were not unaminous and appeared to have a difference of opinion on issues. The only correlation that I was drawing was "there appear to be two camps on the board and any vote hinges on Linda and Tana." Just my observations and a little excel time.

The abstentions were for issues in which the parties were involved and appeared to be very legitimate. ie. pay for instructor at CBJ class, free ads on the web site, etc. I just found it odd that Ed made the motion for the CBJ pay and then had to abstain because it affects him. Food for the Winter grist mill.