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HBMTN
11-04-2009, 03:48 PM
Hello guy and gals, a few questions for you. My local area in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia is looking to have a KCBS BBQ Competition. If it works out they will get it certified as a state championship. My question is for those who would be interested in competing in a contest in Lexington, Virginia what would be a date/weekend you would be most interested in. Lexington is one hour north of Roanoke on I-81 and about an hour west of Charlottesville. It would be at the Virginia Horse Center and would shoot for a 30 team competition the first year. The date being discussed now is June 4th-5th, what do you think? All input would be help full.

Thanks

Ruben

VA BBQ PIRATES
11-04-2009, 05:42 PM
I'd be interested but Upper Marlboro, MD is early June & right around the corner from us. Lexinton is about 3 hours. There are also rumors of another Virginia contest or 2 but no dates set. If Virginia Beach comes through next year that could mean 5 or 6 in VA next year.

I can't remember much going on in August so that might be a better month but it can be damn hot.

Having said that, I think if they do their homework & build a cooker friendly event teams will come.

Tom

Slamdunkpro
11-04-2009, 05:42 PM
That's the same weekend that we are setting up The Virginia BBQ comp / warrior picnic in Springfield. 4 meat event followed by a wounded warrior picnic / troop feed.

HBMTN
11-04-2009, 06:46 PM
I hear you Tom. Staunton, Virginia is looking at one also, they are looking to do a mid August competition

butts
11-04-2009, 06:50 PM
Hello guy and gals, a few questions for you. My local area in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia is looking to have a KCBS BBQ Competition. If it works out they will get it certified as a state championship. My question is for those who would be interested in competing in a contest in Lexington, Virginia what would be a date/weekend you would be most interested in. Lexington is one hour north of Roanoke on I-81 and about an hour west of Charlottesville. It would be at the Virginia Horse Center and would shoot for a 30 team competition the first year. The date being discussed now is June 4th-5th, what do you think? All input would be help full.

Thanks

Ruben

I'm in! The family is from Waynesboro, VA.

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-04-2009, 07:13 PM
I'd love to be in. Just not the same date as another local comp and I'll be there. I'm a JMU grad and my parents live in Harrisonburg, so that area works for me :)

Mike - CSBBBQ
11-04-2009, 09:19 PM
All about contests within an easy drive but Upper Marlboro is only an hour. What other options do you have? How about before Salisbury?

HBMTN
11-05-2009, 06:52 AM
Before Salisbury could be a good time Mike, I wonder how the cold weather would effect team turn outs though? I was also thinking that there are no close contests the first weekend of November that I know of except for Hog Happnin but it is about 4-5 hours south of here. November and early April would be abut the same weather. Everyone is ready to go early spring and tired by fall so you may be right. Sorry just thinking aloud. :-D

HBMTN
11-05-2009, 07:05 AM
What would be the thoughts on say the 3rd weekend of October? It is peak fall foliage in this area and not a better time to visit the Shenandoah Valley. I know many will say the Royal and Jack and if you can't come for that reason then that is a good thing, but what about for those who are not going to those comps?

Big Ugly's BBQ
11-05-2009, 07:26 AM
That weekend in Oct, is the same as Smoketoberfest in Chambersburg, PA. Another I-81 contest, but I think they may be looking for another date earlier though. I think Dover plans to be around that time also.

Scottie
11-05-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm open...

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-05-2009, 12:08 PM
January or February would be AWESOME! And I cook under EZ-UPs :-P

HBMTN
11-05-2009, 07:33 PM
Wow Dan, January competition with the wind and freezing all night :eek: I thought I had the BBQ bug bad. Jack Daniel's would be a must for that event. Don't get me wrong I'd do it, we just need 28 more insane teams that want to look like this :icon_smil all night!

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-05-2009, 07:46 PM
I bet you I can get 15........

The Virginian
11-05-2009, 08:00 PM
I would look at late September to mid-October. Hedgesville is the first part of September, and Front Royal was first weekend in October.
Another possibility is early May. I would rather go to Lexington than all the way down to Cheseapeake, VA, and I hear Danville is not going to happen next year.

Brett

Big Ugly's BBQ
11-06-2009, 06:48 AM
January or February would be AWESOME! And I cook under EZ-UPs :-P

Wow Dan, January competition with the wind and freezing all night :eek: I thought I had the BBQ bug bad. Jack Daniel's would be a must for that event. Don't get me wrong I'd do it, we just need 28 more insane teams that want to look like this :icon_smil all night!

I'm in, I like the harsh weather! Its kinda like golf, anybody can play in the fairway, but it takes attitude to play in the rough..........8)8)

VA BBQ PIRATES
11-06-2009, 06:50 AM
Ruben, 30 is a good goal but 1st year contests only need 15 to be a qualifier. I still don't relish the idea of Jan or Feb though. March could be doable

Brett when I mapquest Chesapeake & Lexington from here they come out only about 2 miles different. It'd be a tough call for us.

Tom

Diva Q
11-06-2009, 07:23 AM
Cold weather does not even faze us up here. We would be in for the travelling as well.

goodsmokebbq
11-06-2009, 07:30 AM
I bet you I can get 15........
Good Smoke is in!

Muzzlebrake
11-06-2009, 08:46 AM
Good Smoke is in!

January in Va can't be any colder than Rochester in say October can it?

and it has to be warmer than the NEBS Snowshoe in NH!

goodsmokebbq
11-06-2009, 10:43 AM
January in Va can't be any colder than Rochester in say October can it?

and it has to be warmer than the NEBS Snowshoe in NH!


Exactly...

Divemaster
11-06-2009, 01:26 PM
Heck, come January/February I may be ready to make that trip!

Scottie
11-06-2009, 01:27 PM
Heck, come January/February I may be ready to make that trip!

Try out the Winter Burn in DesPlaines... It's usually around that time...

ique
11-06-2009, 02:05 PM
My question is for those who would be interested in competing in a contest in Lexington, Virginia what would be a date/weekend you would be most interested in.
Ruben

March. Salisbury MD experience tons of growth in its contest by choosing a date early in the season (april) where there is little competition with other events.

Skip
11-06-2009, 02:22 PM
What would be the thoughts on say the 3rd weekend of October? It is peak fall foliage in this area and not a better time to visit the Shenandoah Valley. I know many will say the Royal and Jack and if you can't come for that reason then that is a good thing, but what about for those who are not going to those comps?


The Jack and Sayville in NY are around that date no?

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-06-2009, 02:55 PM
Diva-

Weren't you the one freezing next to us in Little Rock in Feb? :rolleyes:

HBMTN
11-06-2009, 06:28 PM
Thanks Tom I thought it was 25 teams not. We figured 30 teams so if a few backed out we would still have 25. I was approached by people wanting to have a BBQ competition, bring in the live music and possibly a few other things to draw the public out. They wanted to get sponsorship and give all proceeds to the FFA Future Farmers of America. Naturally I would want to have a great competition. I know how couped up I was last January and Febuary and would like to have had a competition to go to without traveling 10 states away. A few thoughts I have about a January competition. 1) It would be right after Christmas, me being an auto tech I know nobody has money to get the car repaired after Santa Claus comes to town. Would that deter people from competing? 1) How would freezing cold weather effect drawing a crowd spectators for all events and any vendors there?

Right now they are looking at October 15-16 2010. I know ther are some other comps in NY and PA. Front Royal is the weekend before so I will see what they say about January!

Sledneck
11-06-2009, 11:28 PM
November -Dec. looks like between last minute points battles and those that just dont want the season to end it could work in your favor

impailer
11-07-2009, 05:15 AM
Diva-

Weren't you the one freezing next to us in Little Rock in Feb? :rolleyes:

Well sheesh we fly 2000 miles south you would think it would have been a little warmer than Canada. :-) We will be better prepared this year. Bringing the trailer this time LOL

Just Smokin' Around
11-08-2009, 09:41 PM
I like either March or Late April / early May - between Salisbury and the 3 or 4 in mid-May. Late May - maybe even Memorial Day weekend might work. If you go into October, you will have a hard time pulling teams from other contests or many teams don't want to do back-to-back weekends. The spring time is much less congested with contest. Late June may work. The only conflict I know is DC.

NelsonC
11-09-2009, 07:37 AM
First, let me say I would be thrilled to see another Virginia contest!!!!!

I love the idea as long as it's not interfering with another contest going on that weekend within about 400 miles or so. Personally, I'd like to see another contest early on in the season as long as it's not the same weekend as Salisbury, Edenton, or Chesapeake/Danville.

The downside to August contests is that its very hot. If you're planning on doing a contest in august, make sure your venue has A LOT of very stable power for those running A/C. Plenty of hookups for RV's (30 and 50 amp) become a necessity for me during that time of year.

It was suggested that the fall might be a good option as well, but I see a few downsides to that as well. For me, Hedgesville and Rocky Mount are "go-to" contests, and you also have a lot of teams going to/preparing for the American Royal and the Jack, which would reduce your turnout. Also, I wouldn't interfere with Hog Happnin' weekend in Shelby. I just got back from there and loved it so much that I would honestly drive the 7 hours again rather than the 2 hours to lexingon.

That being said, you may want to consider the weekend AFTER Shelby. At the end of the season, you see alot of teams in hot pursuit of last minute points (I think thats part of the reason Shelby is so crowded). Since Shelby isn't too far, you would likely get a lot of teams migrating to your contest the next weekend to rack up a few more last minute points.

So in summation of my long winded post - my vote would be for early in the season (around Salisbury time), or the second weekend in November - just my 0.02. Thanks organizing another Virginia contest.

Best,
Nelson

HBMTN
11-09-2009, 05:56 PM
One thing they are reviewing is that they want community support and involvment in the festival. Trying to come up with a date that meets that and works with the BBQ competition world is proving to be a hard task. Other factors involves are open dates of the Virginia Horse Center. Nothing is set in stone but the weekend they are looking at for now is October 15, 2010 . Its leaves a weekend between Front Royal and the current date they are looking at. They have ruled out anything between Mid November the first of May. May is Pigs in the Park & Chesapeake Julbaliee, June is Beltway BBQ & Capitol City DC, July is Que and Cruz, August is sort of open but Staunton, Va is in talks with KCSB for a mid August comp, Sept is Pickin in the Panhandle and I think somebody said Va Beach, Oct is Front Royal plus the Royal & Jack. Novenber is Hog Happnin. Late November around here is hunting season and the world stops for it. Other than mid Oct to mid Nov I dont know what to say. Maybe there are enough competitions and new ones are not needed at this time.

Mike - CSBBBQ
11-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Before Salisbury could be a good time Mike, I wonder how the cold weather would effect team turn outs though? I was also thinking that there are no close contests the first weekend of November that I know of except for Hog Happnin but it is about 4-5 hours south of here. November and early April would be abut the same weather. Everyone is ready to go early spring and tired by fall so you may be right. Sorry just thinking aloud. :-D

The first contest in the area will help the draw. I really like the idea of a comp in Feb or early April:-D Just stay away from Feb 12-15. According to the Farmers Almanac a big storm will be all up and down the entire East coast :icon_frow

Mike - CSBBBQ
11-09-2009, 06:08 PM
One thing they are reviewing is that they want community support and involvment in the festival. Trying to come up with a date that meets that and works with the BBQ competition world is proving to be a hard task. Other factors involves are open dates of the Virginia Horse Center. Nothing is set in stone but the weekend they are looking at for now is October 15, 2010 . Its leaves a weekend between Front Royal and the current date they are looking at. They have ruled out anything between Mid November the first of May. May is Pigs in the Park & Chesapeake Julbaliee, June is Beltway BBQ & Capitol City DC, July is Que and Cruz, August is sort of open but Staunton, Va is in talks with KCSB for a mid August comp, Sept is Pickin in the Panhandle and I think somebody said Va Beach, Oct is Front Royal plus the Royal & Jack. Novenber is Hog Happnin. Late November around here is hunting season and the world stops for it. Other than mid Oct to mid Nov I dont know what to say. Maybe there are enough competitions and new ones are not needed at this time.

Sorry you were posting at the same time. Bummer they ruled out early spring :icon_frow But we all like seeing new comps. Know it is a challenge but don't forget Dover.

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Don't forget Danville is canceled.

LindaM
11-10-2009, 03:34 PM
Don't forget Danville is canceled.

Really? Chesapeake is changing their date.... Still May

HBMTN
11-10-2009, 05:31 PM
Don't forget Danville is canceled


Really, Why? That sucks cause I won the free entry raffle into next years competition :cry:

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-10-2009, 06:20 PM
Thats what I heard. 2 sources, 2 different days. Not sure why.

Finney
11-10-2009, 06:41 PM
The guy from Danville was at Shelby to talk to competitors, but I never got to talk to him. I don't know why he would be there if it were cancelled.
Maybe one of the guys here talked to him.

butts
11-11-2009, 08:53 AM
The guy from Danville was at Shelby to talk to competitors, but I never got to talk to him. I don't know why he would be there if it were cancelled.
Maybe one of the guys here talked to him.

I talked with Bill from Danville, the city doesn't want the contest in the park any more. Bill owns Pigs in the Park and is actively looking for another site to host the event.

HBMTN
11-11-2009, 05:03 PM
Were we that bad? Or does the city not want to have it in the city anymore? The only thing I can think of that they would have a problem with would be that the rain the past years makes a mud pit out of the field. What a bummer, Pigs in the Park was the first competition I ever attended and I love it there. I known Bill's heart is breaking, hope he finds a place for it.

Rick Hamilton
11-12-2009, 06:35 AM
Wow....lots of good thoughts. Too bad about the seasonal limitations. I would also love to see a "local" contest prior to Salisbury. I also find the idea of a winter contest very interesting. Once April hits I really don't have the time/budget for another contest straight thru til November.

Finney
11-12-2009, 10:03 AM
Wow....lots of good thoughts. Too bad about the seasonal limitations. I would also love to see a "local" contest prior to Salisbury. I also find the idea of a winter contest very interesting. Once April hits I really don't have the time/budget for another contest straight thru til November.

I'm with Rick... I'd like a March contest. Too bad that won't work out for your town.

HBMTN
11-12-2009, 01:14 PM
Well guys, a BBQ Competition in January/Febuary could definalty be done and I have a great place near me to pull it off. It would probably have to be a straight up competition with no bells and whistles attached i.e music, festival, other perks. I think it would be hard to convince sponsor and others to come out for us crazy BBQ'rs in cold #!@ weather and we be the only ones there.

The problem I would see is >>> man I had no idea how much it costs to put on one of these competitions by the time you pay the KCBS Fees and pay for a KCSB Rep and insurance they require, several hundred bucks to rent a venue and put up a judges tent and you could be out $2000 - $4000 before you were to come up with any prize money. If you did not bring sponsors into it and made the competition a 100% pay out after expenses there might not be much payout if there were only 15 or 20 teams. KCBS also requires a cash pay out of 1st through 5th in each cat. plus RGC and GC. A $250 entry fee and 20 teans would equal $5000 minus the KCBS Fees and other expenses it might only mean a payout of $2500 split 22 ways. Not sure other than getting out of the house in the winter how much excitement from teams that would draw. We DO have a great place to have such an event though. THOUGHTS??????

Brauma
11-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Well guys, a BBQ Competition in January/Febuary could definalty be done and I have a great place near me to pull it off. It would probably have to be a straight up competition with no bells and whistles attached i.e music, festival, other perks. I think it would be hard to convince sponsor and others to come out for us crazy BBQ'rs in cold #!@ weather and we be the only ones there.

The problem I would see is >>> man I had no idea how much it costs to put on one of these competitions by the time you pay the KCBS Fees and pay for a KCSB Rep and insurance they require, several hundred bucks to rent a venue and put up a judges tent and you could be out $2000 - $4000 before you were to come up with any prize money. If you did not bring sponsors into it and made the competition a 100% pay out after expenses there might not be much payout if there were only 15 or 20 teams. KCBS also requires a cash pay out of 1st through 5th in each cat. plus RGC and GC. A $250 entry fee and 20 teans would equal $5000 minus the KCBS Fees and other expenses it might only mean a payout of $2500 split 22 ways. Not sure other than getting out of the house in the winter how much excitement from teams that would draw. We DO have a great place to have such an event though. THOUGHTS??????


This is why I have no desire to be an organizer. More power to you Ruben. I hope you can pull it off.

Isnt the 3rd wknd in October The Jack?

Spring would be a good time and would get my vote. You would have more community involvement the better the weather and more chances at sponsors. Sponsors like crowds.

Black Cat BBQ
11-12-2009, 06:49 PM
Well guys, a BBQ Competition in January/Febuary could definalty be done and I have a great place near me to pull it off. It would probably have to be a straight up competition with no bells and whistles attached i.e music, festival, other perks. I think it would be hard to convince sponsor and others to come out for us crazy BBQ'rs in cold #!@ weather and we be the only ones there.

The problem I would see is >>> man I had no idea how much it costs to put on one of these competitions by the time you pay the KCBS Fees and pay for a KCSB Rep and insurance they require, several hundred bucks to rent a venue and put up a judges tent and you could be out $2000 - $4000 before you were to come up with any prize money. If you did not bring sponsors into it and made the competition a 100% pay out after expenses there might not be much payout if there were only 15 or 20 teams. KCBS also requires a cash pay out of 1st through 5th in each cat. plus RGC and GC. A $250 entry fee and 20 teans would equal $5000 minus the KCBS Fees and other expenses it might only mean a payout of $2500 split 22 ways. Not sure other than getting out of the house in the winter how much excitement from teams that would draw. We DO have a great place to have such an event though. THOUGHTS??????

Go for it! We'd be in for sure. We went to Maine (KCBS sanctioned comp), got two 4th place calls and walked away with $80 in prize money. It wasnt about the payout....it was just really cool to be there, visit with people and have a great time. It was an auto into the Jack but thats not why we went. I bet you'd get more cooks than you think...

Dan - 3eyzbbq
11-12-2009, 07:28 PM
When I have choices, money is the deciding factor most of the time. In January or February ain't many choices. I'd just be happy cooking. I imagine a bunch of other people would feel the same way.

Also - John Atkins (POTR) has been doing a fund raiser in Waynesboro, VA at Justin Harris's former school in January/February time frame. Just thinking that maybe the two of those could be merged?

Mike - CSBBBQ
11-13-2009, 06:46 AM
Well guys, a BBQ Competition in January/Febuary could definalty be done and I have a great place near me to pull it off. It would probably have to be a straight up competition with no bells and whistles attached i.e music, festival, other perks. I think it would be hard to convince sponsor and others to come out for us crazy BBQ'rs in cold #!@ weather and we be the only ones there.

The problem I would see is >>> man I had no idea how much it costs to put on one of these competitions by the time you pay the KCBS Fees and pay for a KCSB Rep and insurance they require, several hundred bucks to rent a venue and put up a judges tent and you could be out $2000 - $4000 before you were to come up with any prize money. If you did not bring sponsors into it and made the competition a 100% pay out after expenses there might not be much payout if there were only 15 or 20 teams. KCBS also requires a cash pay out of 1st through 5th in each cat. plus RGC and GC. A $250 entry fee and 20 teans would equal $5000 minus the KCBS Fees and other expenses it might only mean a payout of $2500 split 22 ways. Not sure other than getting out of the house in the winter how much excitement from teams that would draw. We DO have a great place to have such an event though. THOUGHTS??????

Febuary would be GREAT and I think you would get 20 pretty easy and probably more. We will come :-D Sorry I don't know the fees but there should be several folks who can provide a pretty accurate estimate. We are all getting the fever pretty bad by then. The convention (January) is in Philly this year the weekend before Lakeland. March also provides the chnace for nice road trips :rolleyes: Good luck and hope you can get things to work out. Your effort is appreciated!

Big Ugly's BBQ
11-13-2009, 05:31 PM
Hey, an early contest is better than no contest, I would be real interested in something like what you are describing. But then again, I have been called crazy and off center many times.

ClayHill
11-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Hi all....I'm new here. I'm also new to competing and would definitely come to a contest in Feb/March. Smoketoberfest was my first contest and the weather sucked, but I had a blast.

Big Ugly's BBQ
11-15-2009, 05:41 AM
Hi all....I'm new here. I'm also new to competing and would definitely come to a contest in Feb/March. Smoketoberfest was my first contest and the weather sucked, but I had a blast.

I would have to agree with you on the weather up there, it was rough!