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DMDon
10-11-2009, 11:54 PM
We are looking to upgrade our generator. Does anybody use the Honda EM7000? What do you think of it? is it quiet? What others are you using? I think we would need 30 amp or 3000 watts continous, (to run a/c, refridge, and lights) and be quiet. I don't know much about electicity show what are some recomendations.

thenewguy
10-12-2009, 12:02 AM
For ease of storage and saving my back, I use 2 honda 2000i's. Hook them parallel and it gives you 4000 watts and it's a heck of a lot easier to lug around than a 3000i.
If you want to be a big dog, get a 6000-you'll be able to run the campground-well almost.
During comps, I use just 1 2000i to run the A/C in the m/h, it does the job,but it's nice to have too much power.

widespread
10-12-2009, 05:22 AM
I use 2 EU2000's also, with an extended run fuel tank. Runs everything in the trailer all weekend and very quiet.

Balls Casten
10-12-2009, 07:50 AM
Geesh Don, you act like you've got some new BBQ money burning a hole in your pocket. :)

I'm waffeling on this as well, we have a 2000i. And wondering if we should go to the 3000, or another 2000 parallel.

Don you're welcome to borrow my 2000 and give it a try if your like.

Ron_L
10-12-2009, 08:08 AM
What are you going to be running off of the generator? I don't know if the Honda EM7000 has an inverter. If you are running any ind of electronics (PC, TV, Radio, future FEC :-D) you want a generator with an inverter. Also, do you need that much power? Honda has a power estimator that may help figure out your needs...

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/generators/content.aspx?asset=gg_wattage

As far as noise, the EM7000 is rated at 69db. For comparison the EU6500iS is rated at 52db and 1/4 load and 60dB at full load. I was next to Scottie this past weekend and he uses an EU6500iS and 90% of the time I couldn't even tell it was running. Once in a while it would kick up to high and then I could hear it. Even though another 9 dB doesn't sound like much, the dB scale is logarithmic, so 9dB is a big jump in sound level.

Jorge
10-12-2009, 08:52 AM
To add more confusion... I like the idea of running two generators vs. one. Redundancy is a good thing sometimes. If you lose one you may have to make some decisions, but that's a lot better than being screwed if you lose THE one.

Scottie
10-12-2009, 10:12 AM
As far as noise, the EM7000 is rated at 69db. For comparison the EU6500iS is rated at 52db and 1/4 load and 60dB at full load. I was next to Scottie this past weekend and he uses an EU6500iS and 90% of the time I couldn't even tell it was running. Once in a while it would kick up to high and then I could hear it. Even though another 9 dB doesn't sound like much, the dB scale is logarithmic, so 9dB is a big jump in sound level.




When it would kick to "high" (a real misnomer...) that was from me cranking up my microwave to re-heat my money muscle.... :eek:

I own a Honda 3000 and the Honda 6500. This one that you are talking about Don, doesn't sound like it has the invertor and as Ron says, I would spend the extra money to cover your electronics...

Plowboy
10-12-2009, 10:21 AM
I've been very happy with my Kipor 3000's at a fraction of the price of the Honda's. Been running successfully for 3+ years. They are safe for electronics, too. Ran one this past weekend and someone thought my truck was idling. Gotta love these uber quiet gensets.

Bbq Bubba
10-12-2009, 10:23 AM
Great info, thanks!I've been very happy with my Kipor 3000's at a fraction of the price of the Honda's. Been running successfully for 3+ years. They are safe for electronics, too. Ran one this past weekend and someone thought my truck was idling. Gotta love these uber quiet gensets.

Scottie
10-12-2009, 10:37 AM
I've been very happy with my Kipor 3000's at a fraction of the price of the Honda's. Been running successfully for 3+ years. They are safe for electronics, too. Ran one this past weekend and someone thought my truck was idling. Gotta love these uber quiet gensets.


The only really thing bad I have heard about them is if something was to break and you needed service... I heard that it is not good....

Plowboy
10-12-2009, 10:46 AM
The only really thing bad I have heard about them is if something was to break and you needed service... I heard that it is not good....

That was true a couple of years ago. There are service centers and parts available in the US now. For $1000, it is worth the risk to me.

Ron_L
10-12-2009, 10:56 AM
When it would kick to "high" (a real misnomer...) that was from me cranking up my microwave to re-heat my money muscle.... :eek:


Yeah... I wasn't sure what to call it. Full throttle? Either way, I could hear it but it didn't impair conversations, even 15 feet away.

I've been very happy with my Kipor 3000's at a fraction of the price of the Honda's. Been running successfully for 3+ years. They are safe for electronics, too. Ran one this past weekend and someone thought my truck was idling. Gotta love these uber quiet gensets.

That was true a couple of years ago. There are service centers and parts available in the US now. For $1000, it is worth the risk to me.

We were next to Todd at Shannon and his Kipor was also very quiet. I went with a Honda because i couldn't find anyone local who handled Kipor. if there was a local dealer I probably would have gone that way.

DMDon
10-12-2009, 10:57 AM
When it would kick to "high" (a real misnomer...) that was from me cranking up my microwave to re-heat my money muscle.... :eek:

I own a Honda 3000 and the Honda 6500. This one that you are talking about Don, doesn't sound like it has the invertor and as Ron says, I would spend the extra money to cover your electronics...


Is that before or after you add the MSG.

BBQ_Mayor
10-12-2009, 11:01 AM
Good god Don!:eek:. What you running in that camper? A Welder?

I'd agree with the 2 2000i's. I've heard that is the way to go for more power. But what would I know, I don't have one either.

Buster Dog BBQ
10-12-2009, 11:01 AM
Don, I thought that was the inverter one that I sent to Bob. Seemed like a good price if it was. Doesnt sound like that is the case.

I have the Kipor 3000 and it works pretty nice. One thing that I did not like about it was at a contest I had 3 guys hooked up and at 5am it shut down from low oil. My fault for not checking it but it was only the second overnight use I had from it, so I wasnt expecting that. The oil area is burried in the engine and if you dont have a long thin funnel it is kind if hard to reach. I think the Honda is on the side.

But saying that, for no more use than it gets, The $500+ price savings was worth it to me.

Scottie
10-12-2009, 11:02 AM
Is that before or after you add the MSG.


Man, why do you think my RV smells like a Chinese Carryout? It's that 55 gallon drum of MSG that I have. That's how we roll.... :shock:

Ron_L
10-12-2009, 11:44 AM
No wonder I was craving egg rolls when we got home! :-D

monty3777
10-12-2009, 12:56 PM
Don, I thought that was the inverter one that I sent to Bob. Seemed like a good price if it was. Doesnt sound like that is the case.

I have the Kipor 3000 and it works pretty nice. One thing that I did not like about it was at a contest I had 3 guys hooked up and at 5am it shut down from low oil. My fault for not checking it but it was only the second overnight use I had from it, so I wasnt expecting that. The oil area is burried in the engine and if you dont have a long thin funnel it is kind if hard to reach. I think the Honda is on the side.

But saying that, for no more use than it gets, The $500+ price savings was worth it to me.

I was one of the guys hooked up to that Kipor and I was real surprised how much it could take and how quiet it was. I don't have a generator but after Nevada I was sold on the Kipor.

thenewguy
10-12-2009, 01:28 PM
FYI, if anyone's interested about getting a Honda, I can highly recommend an internet store that had my 2000i's discounted enough that I couldn't even buy them locally! They sell ton's to RV guys.

Buster Dog BBQ
10-12-2009, 01:46 PM
FYI, if anyone's interested about getting a Honda, I can highly recommend an internet store that had my 2000i's discounted enough that I couldn't even buy them locally! They sell ton's to RV guys.
Can you PM that to me or post it here?

DocStl
10-12-2009, 06:09 PM
I bought a Kipor 3000 from Craigslist, Best $600 I ever spent. was used about half a dozen times (so I was told) very quiet and runs everything in my trailer. Also the Kipor 3000 and the honda 3000 are identical in parts (90%) Most parts can be had at a Honda shop

Bones
10-12-2009, 08:57 PM
I was next to Scottie this past weekend and he uses an EU6500iS and 90% of the time I couldn't even tell it was running. Once in a while it would kick up to high and then I could hear it.


How could you hear a generator over the trains. LOL

smokincracker
10-12-2009, 09:05 PM
I use a Honda 3000EU
I've had it for about 3 years with no issues...
It has worked flawless so far

Kosmo's Q
10-12-2009, 09:46 PM
I use a Honda 3000EU
I've had it for about 3 years with no issues...
It has worked flawless so far

My buddy just talk me into getting one and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Oh it was $1700 out the door.

Chipper
10-13-2009, 06:12 AM
FYI, if anyone's interested about getting a Honda, I can highly recommend an internet store that had my 2000i's discounted enough that I couldn't even buy them locally! They sell ton's to RV guys.

Second that.

KC_Bobby
12-30-2009, 10:52 AM
Bringing this back from the dead, cause I'm not sure 1 3000 watt genset is enough for us:


A/C - 1632 watts cont
refridge - 585 start up
lighting incandescent - 200 (outside)
lighting fluorescent - 180 (inside)
FEC - 600 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and auger - plus we can start very easy manually)
CS - 550 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and wheel)
water heater - 1500
And we'll have a guru and radio (both should be minimal draws)

So far - 5247 watts

Now we can always shut off the air when we start up the FEC, CS or need hot water, but it's not real doable to shut off the air so the refridge or freezer can kick on when needed.

So at any given time we will need 3097 watts (a/c, refridge, lights and an estimated 500 watts to run other things.

Sounds like two 2000's ported together should do the trick. Just need to turn A/C off if we need to power up some hot water or automatically start one of the pellet poopers.

tony76248
12-30-2009, 11:12 AM
I have the Kipor 3500Ti, it is a 3000w unit. I run my RV including A/C with it and lights and fans, so far it works without problem. I have had this unit for three years. I bought it on advice from Hodedo. Thanks again bro...

The start up is the kicker. Motors tend to be shorts when they start but the newer energy saver motors are not.

BBQ_Mayor
12-30-2009, 11:38 AM
I think I found the right one for you guys. 100 Kilowatts should do it right?
Hey, if your going to get a big generator you just as well help out the rest of us. :mrgreen:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/16114983/aview/GENERATOR_001.jpg

Jorge
12-30-2009, 11:51 AM
Bringing this back from the dead, cause I'm not sure 1 3000 watt genset is enough for us:


A/C - 1632 watts cont
refridge - 585 start up
lighting incandescent - 200 (outside)
lighting fluorescent - 180 (inside)
FEC - 600 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and auger - plus we can start very easy manually)
CS - 550 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and wheel)
water heater - 1500
And we'll have a guru and radio (both should be minimal draws)

So far - 5247 watts

Now we can always shut off the air when we start up the FEC, CS or need hot water, but it's not real doable to shut off the air so the refridge or freezer can kick on when needed.

So at any given time we will need 3097 watts (a/c, refridge, lights and an estimated 500 watts to run other things.

Sounds like two 2000's ported together should do the trick. Just need to turn A/C off if we need to power up some hot water or automatically start one of the pellet poopers.

Check your PMs. He should be back in the store after New Years.

musicmanryann
12-30-2009, 12:02 PM
To Honda or to Kipor, that is the question...;-)

Scottie
12-30-2009, 12:12 PM
For you Iowa boys... I'd check with Clone. He used to know of a place in the DSM area that could get Honda's real cheap...

SloppyQ
12-30-2009, 12:34 PM
Bringing this back from the dead, cause I'm not sure 1 3000 watt genset is enough for us:


A/C - 1632 watts cont
refridge - 585 start up
lighting incandescent - 200 (outside)
lighting fluorescent - 180 (inside)
FEC - 600 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and auger - plus we can start very easy manually)
CS - 550 start up (not sure what it will take just to run the fan and wheel)
water heater - 1500
And we'll have a guru and radio (both should be minimal draws)

So far - 5247 watts

Now we can always shut off the air when we start up the FEC, CS or need hot water, but it's not real doable to shut off the air so the refridge or freezer can kick on when needed.

So at any given time we will need 3097 watts (a/c, refridge, lights and an estimated 500 watts to run other things.

Sounds like two 2000's ported together should do the trick. Just need to turn A/C off if we need to power up some hot water or automatically start one of the pellet poopers.


Bob you have seen my setup and I have a 3000 and it works fine with air, fridge, and FEC but for the difference in price get two 2000s they will be a lot easier to lug around and there will be times when you will only need one. Just my .02

musicmanryann
12-30-2009, 12:44 PM
For you Iowa boys... I'd check with Clone. He used to know of a place in the DSM area that could get Honda's real cheap...

Thanks for the lead Scottie.

Ron_L
12-30-2009, 12:49 PM
The FEC is 400w when the ignitor is on (the first couple of minutes) and under 100w (actually about 50w) after that.

KC_Bobby
12-30-2009, 02:20 PM
Thanks Ron. I'm trying to remember if I could start the CS without using the ignitor or if the ignitor automatically goes on when I hit power. Yeah, I don't use that smoker often.

Smokin Mike
12-30-2009, 06:14 PM
Thanks Ron. I'm trying to remember if I could start the CS without using the ignitor or if the ignitor automatically goes on when I hit power. Yeah, I don't use that smoker often.

yes you can, I had to replace the ignitor and just didn't get around to it for months, just used gel and some pellets to get it started.

Smitty's in olathe, I think still matches any price on a Honda, and fills it up with gas, make sure it runs, fills out the warrenty cards, and hooks up the "home link (thingy that hooks up the two together and gives you a 30 amp outlet)"

KC_Bobby
12-30-2009, 08:39 PM
Smitty might get a sale.

KC_Bobby
12-30-2009, 08:55 PM
watts is amps x volts right?

Woodreaux BBQ
12-30-2009, 09:01 PM
watts is amps x volts right?

yes.

TxDeano
12-30-2009, 09:09 PM
Found a generator at Tractor Supply - Champion 3500 - for less than $300. But, specs say dB is 68. Is that too loud at a comp? I don't want to make anyone mad for extra noise.

"3,500 running watts and up to 4,000 peak watts of power with a run time of 12 hours at 50% load from a 4-gallon fuel tank. With a noise level of 68dB it's quiet, only 8dB above normal conversation. Receptacles include 30 amp 120 volt AC twistlock, one 30-amp 120-volt RV receptacle, a 20-amp 120-volt duplex. Push-to-reset circuit breakers. Single-cylinder, four-stroke, air-cooled engine with recoil start and low-oil shut-off. 1"-diameter tubular steel frame. Includes oil funnel, spark arrester and sparkplug wrench.
Dimensions: 23-1/4"L x 17-1/2"W x 17-1/4"H.
Weight: 100 lbs. "

DMDon
12-31-2009, 12:25 AM
Found a generator at Tractor Supply - Champion 3500 - for less than $300. But, specs say dB is 68. Is that too loud at a comp? I don't want to make anyone mad for extra noise.

"3,500 running watts and up to 4,000 peak watts of power with a run time of 12 hours at 50% load from a 4-gallon fuel tank. With a noise level of 68dB it's quiet, only 8dB above normal conversation. Receptacles include 30 amp 120 volt AC twistlock, one 30-amp 120-volt RV receptacle, a 20-amp 120-volt duplex. Push-to-reset circuit breakers. Single-cylinder, four-stroke, air-cooled engine with recoil start and low-oil shut-off. 1"-diameter tubular steel frame. Includes oil funnel, spark arrester and sparkplug wrench.
Dimensions: 23-1/4"L x 17-1/2"W x 17-1/4"H.
Weight: 100 lbs. "


here is one a little larger and 65db

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200381774_200381774

KC_Bobby
01-02-2010, 06:55 PM
Score!
Found a Honda EU3000is and bought it. Could this be hooked up parallel with a EU2000 or does it need to be ported with the same model?

Too damn cold to get a pic.

widespread
01-02-2010, 07:14 PM
Found a Honda EU3000is and bought it. This can be hooked up parallel with a EU2000 right?


According to Honda's website, you can only hook up same wattage generators. 2-EU1000's, 2-EU2000's, or 2-EU3000's.

KC_Bobby
01-02-2010, 08:21 PM
Ah yes, thanks

crd26a
01-02-2010, 10:30 PM
Found a generator at Tractor Supply - Champion 3500 - for less than $300. But, specs say dB is 68. Is that too loud at a comp? I don't want to make anyone mad for extra noise.

I think there are some guys that have built a box to go around theirs, to help muffle noise, but maybe I'm dreaming

widespread
01-03-2010, 08:05 AM
Here's a thread on a soundproofing forum about portable generators. A few guys at our riding club have built these boxes for their sites.
http://supersoundproofing.com/forum/index.php/topic,1262.30.html

thenewguy
01-03-2010, 09:58 PM
Bobby, Those 3000i's are nice but man are they heavy-bout 150 pounds each! Soo...what'd ya pay? I'm gonna boondock off of the boondoggle boys next season!

KC_Bobby
01-03-2010, 11:39 PM
Honestly, we're not sure 3000 will be sufficient with our set up (A/C, electric water heater, big refridge). I think we'll continue to look for two 2000's, then if we do we should be able to sell the 3000 for what we paid for it.

paydabill
01-04-2010, 01:40 PM
I might be interested in your old one - let me know the price.