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bbq ron
08-19-2009, 12:09 PM
if you take all the competions held over the year, what kind of cooker do you think wins most of the time? stick burner, charcoal , etc. :-P:-P

Skip
08-19-2009, 12:29 PM
pellet pooper

KC_Bobby
08-19-2009, 12:39 PM
Are you asking specifically about brand or just the basic type of smoker?

Many teams use various smokers during the same comp and other teams even use the different cookers from comp to comp and still get some wins.

This could be a very hard thing to determine.

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 12:45 PM
FEC
OLE HICKORY
BACKWOODS
WSM
UDS

Top 5 in no particular order???

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Probably should add Jambo's to the discussion as well...

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
08-19-2009, 01:02 PM
Meadow Creek...

probably the most common is the WSM.

bbq ron
08-19-2009, 01:16 PM
just wondering if stickburner or charcoal, pellet poopers in general which has the best track record

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 01:28 PM
My guess is that if you are just talking in general, then the track records are probably about the same.

Buster Dog BBQ
08-19-2009, 01:32 PM
It's not the cooker it's the cook. Look at the top 10 in the KCBS points race and not a single pit dominates.

Jacked UP BBQ
08-19-2009, 01:32 PM
It is always the indian not the arrow, but I would go with FE from what I see. Pellet poopers seem to be killing it.

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Regardless of whether or not its the cooker or the cook, I find the discussion of winningest cooker to be intriguing, and would be very interested to see the numbers, both in total number of wins as well as winning precentage. My guess is that they would not be the same.

KC_Bobby
08-19-2009, 01:41 PM
How would one define a team that cooks on 2-3 different pits?

Let's say a team cooks briskets on a UDS, puts butts and ribs in an FE and chicken on a UDS and does well week in and week out? Are they classified as a pellet head or a trash can cooker?

Not trying to throw wrenches into the mix, but maybe look at it per category.

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 01:44 PM
How would one define a team that cooks on 2-3 different pits?

Let's say a team cooks briskets on a UDS, puts butts and ribs in an FE and chicken on a UDS and does well week in and week out? Are they classified as a pellet head or a trash can cooker?

Not trying to throw wrenches into the mix, but maybe look at it per category.

That would definitely be a way to get around that issue.

smoke it if ya got it
08-19-2009, 02:15 PM
I think the cook but some cookers seem to be better than others for instance I'm in love with my new UDS and am looking foreward to competition this weekend. Experiance would also seem to be a large factor.

KC_Bobby
08-19-2009, 02:25 PM
I think the cooker can enhance a cooker's product, but even the best cooker in the world will not cook well if the cooker can't cook.

RobKC
08-19-2009, 02:34 PM
I think the cooker can enhance a cooker's product, but even the best cooker in the world will not cook well if the cooker can't cook.

That just about covers it all. :confused:

:-P

Jacked UP BBQ
08-19-2009, 02:39 PM
You mean it as all about the sauce.

Jeff Hughes
08-19-2009, 03:10 PM
I think the cook but some cookers seem to be better than others

So, which is better, a Geer or an FEC100?

Scottie
08-19-2009, 03:18 PM
So, which is better, a Geer or an FEC100?


Give me a minute. Let me call Rod...

bayoustylebbq
08-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Give me a minute. Let me call Rod...


That all depends if Sheri is cooking with him or not...! :wink:

The Pickled Pig
08-19-2009, 03:29 PM
It's not the cooker it's the cook. Look at the top 10 in the KCBS points race and not a single pit dominates.


I'm not sure what your definition of dominate is but I sure do count a lot of Geers and FECs in the Top 10.

Uncle Buds BBQ
08-19-2009, 03:33 PM
It's not the cooker it's the cook. Look at the top 10 in the KCBS points race and not a single pit dominates.
What a minute....If the cook, cooks, on different cookers, can you count on the cooker, to cook the same? :lol:

KC_Bobby
08-19-2009, 03:46 PM
Here's the list of teams that have won 3 or more KCBS comps this year and what they cook on (I don't know a lot of them, can someone please fill them in?)

1)IOWAS SMOKEY DS BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=IOWAS%20SMOKEY%20DS%20BBQ)5 - FE and WSM
2)BUTCHER BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=BUTCHER%20BBQ)4 - FE
2)MUNCHIN HOGS AT THE HILTON (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=MUNCHIN%20HOGS%20AT%20THE%20HI LTON)4 - Horizon
2)PELLET ENVY (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=PELLET%20ENVY)4 - FE or Geer
5)CHATHAM ARTILLERY BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=CHATHAM%20ARTILLERY%20BBQ)3 - ?
5)COOL SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=COOL%20SMOKE)3 - Geer
5)GREAT GRILLS O FIRE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=GREAT%20GRILLS%20O%20FIRE)3 - homemade
5)I SMELL SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=I%20SMELL%20SMOKE)3 - FE & BWS
5)JP CUSTOM SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=JP%20CUSTOM%20SMOKE)3 - ?
5)LO N SLO BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=LO%20N%20SLO%20BBQ)3 - ?
5)LOTTA BULL BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=LOTTA%20BULL%20BBQ)3 - Geer (still?) (has switched to a Yoder)
5)PORK PULLIN PLOWBOYS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=PORK%20PULLIN%20PLOWBOYS)3 - FE and CS
5)QUAU (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=QUAU)3 - Peoria or Stumps
5)RHYTHM N QUE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=RHYTHM%20N%20QUE)3 - WSM
5)SLAP YO DADDY BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=SLAP%20YO%20DADDY%20BBQ)3 - WSM
5)SMOKE ON WHEELS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=SMOKE%20ON%20WHEELS)3 - CS and FE
5)WILD BUNCH BUTT BURNERS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=WILD%20BUNCH%20BUTT%20BURNERS) 3 - ?
5)Big Tz (adding them because they also won the Qlossal) 3 - WSM

Skip
08-19-2009, 03:47 PM
I think the cooker can enhance a cooker's product, but even the best cooker in the world will not cook well if the cooker can't cook.

How much food could a good cooker cook if a good cooker could cook food?

Chipper
08-19-2009, 03:56 PM
There may be some regionalism with them as well. The Meadow Creeks are popular around the mid-Atlantic. Backwoods and WSM's are very common as well.

musicmanryann
08-19-2009, 03:58 PM
Here's the list of teams that have won 3 or more KCBS comps this year and what they cook on (I don't know a lot of them, can someone please fill them in?)

1)IOWAS SMOKEY DS BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=IOWAS%20SMOKEY%20DS%20BBQ)5 - FE and WSM
2)BUTCHER BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=BUTCHER%20BBQ)4 - ?
2)MUNCHIN HOGS AT THE HILTON (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=MUNCHIN%20HOGS%20AT%20THE%20HI LTON)4 - Horizon
2)PELLET ENVY (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=PELLET%20ENVY)4 - FE's or Geer
5)CHATHAM ARTILLERY BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=CHATHAM%20ARTILLERY%20BBQ)3 - ?
5)COOL SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=COOL%20SMOKE)3 - ?
5)GREAT GRILLS O FIRE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=GREAT%20GRILLS%20O%20FIRE)3 - homemade
5)I SMELL SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=I%20SMELL%20SMOKE)3 - FE (?)
5)JP CUSTOM SMOKE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=JP%20CUSTOM%20SMOKE)3 - ?
5)LO N SLO BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=LO%20N%20SLO%20BBQ)3 - ?
5)LOTTA BULL BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=LOTTA%20BULL%20BBQ)3 - Geer (still?)
5)PORK PULLIN PLOWBOYS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=PORK%20PULLIN%20PLOWBOYS)3 - FE and CS
5)QUAU (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=QUAU)3 - Peoria or Stumps
5)RHYTHM N QUE (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=RHYTHM%20N%20QUE)3 - WSM???
5)SLAP YO DADDY BBQ (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=SLAP%20YO%20DADDY%20BBQ)3 - WSM ???
5)SMOKE ON WHEELS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=SMOKE%20ON%20WHEELS)3 CS and FE
5)WILD BUNCH BUTT BURNERS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=WILD%20BUNCH%20BUTT%20BURNERS) 3 - ?
5)Big Tz (adding them because they also won the Qlossal) 3 - WSM


You beat me to this, I was working on the same thing. ;-)

I am certain RnQ and Slap Yo Daddy cook on WSMs. Pretty sure Tuffy cooks on a Jambo.

Scottie
08-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Butcher is a FE. I Smell Smoke is FE and Backwoods. Tuffy is Geer.

Buster Dog BBQ
08-19-2009, 04:08 PM
I'm not sure what your definition of dominate is but I sure do count a lot of Geers and FECs in the Top 10.
If I had to define I would say if 1/2 of the top 10 uses a particular pit then it would dominate.

ique
08-19-2009, 04:18 PM
So, which is better, a Geer or an FEC100?

Thats easy. Geer. :-P:wink:

The_Kapn
08-19-2009, 04:20 PM
I really do not know, nor care, which pit wins--it is the cook as we all know. :lol:

Here in the SE, most of the "circuit regular" teams that compete a lot cook in "insulated" cookers.
Might be Stumps, SpiceWines, FEC's, Superiors, or what ever.

Very few traditional horizontal stickburners used except by teams that come out to cook a local event or two.

Times are a-changing :lol:

TIM

The Pickled Pig
08-19-2009, 04:22 PM
If I had to define I would say if 1/2 of the top 10 uses a particular pit then it would dominate.


I believe the FE meets that definition.

KC_Bobby
08-19-2009, 04:24 PM
How much food could a good cooker cook if a good cooker could cook food?

Exactly. Tiger Woods would probably not score as well with my clubs compared to his own, but if he put his clubs in my bag it's not going to magically make me competitive.

butts
08-19-2009, 04:37 PM
I'll throw Stump's in the mix...some KCBS and some FBA and the site hasn't been updated since June. I know that there are at least three more that should be added to the list.
http://www.stumpssmokers.com/AWARDS.html

QN
08-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Here's the list of teams that have won 3 or more KCBS comps this year and what they cook on (I don't know a lot of them, can someone please fill them in?)

5)WILD BUNCH BUTT BURNERS (http://www.thepickledpig.com/PPapps/rankings/PRTeamHist.cfm?team=WILD%20BUNCH%20BUTT%20BURNERS) 3 - ?
5)Big Tz (adding them because they also won the Qlossal) 3 - WSM

Wild Bunch cooks on a stick burner. A Jim Tolen original from Huntsville, AL. Similar to a Geer. Yes, Jamie has checked out one first hand....

Slamdunkpro
08-19-2009, 06:22 PM
I would suspect that more and more insulated vertical pits (FE, Spicewine, Backwoods Stumps etc,) are showing up in the winner's circle than traditional offset pits, especially with what is passing for competitive BBQ now.

Let's face it, a lot of the winners are poaching their chicken and wet braising their ribs, pork and briskets with very light smoke. Vertical units are easier to control, don't have to be fueled as often and are more temperature consistent throughout the cooking chamber. Add to that that Pellet poopers and charcoal towers have significantly shorter learning curves than stick burners.

I heard this at a comp which pretty much sums it up: "The offset stick burner is the best biased ply tire running in a race full of radials."

Plowboy
08-19-2009, 07:30 PM
a lot of the winners are poaching their chicken and wet braising their ribs, pork and briskets with very light smoke.

Hey, I should try that! :wink:

JP Custom Smoke has, what I would call, a Jambo inspired, homemade offset.

moocow
08-19-2009, 07:42 PM
I would suspect that more and more insulated vertical pits (FE, Spicewine, Backwoods Stumps etc,) are showing up in the winner's circle than traditional offset pits, especially with what is passing for competitive BBQ now.

Let's face it, a lot of the winners are poaching their chicken and wet braising their ribs, pork and briskets with very light smoke. Vertical units are easier to control, don't have to be fueled as often and are more temperature consistent throughout the cooking chamber. Add to that that Pellet poopers and charcoal towers have significantly shorter learning curves than stick burners.

I heard this at a comp which pretty much sums it up: "The offset stick burner is the best biased ply tire running in a race full of radials."
I love my big insulated vertical pit, but I have to admit the food seemed to taste better on my big stick burner. It sure is nice not to have to put a log in every hour though.

ique
08-19-2009, 07:52 PM
The last three years KCBS team of the year has been won by teams using traditional off-sets.

I would suspect that more and more insulated vertical pits (FE, Spicewine, Backwoods Stumps etc,) are showing up in the winner's circle than traditional offset pits, especially with what is passing for competitive BBQ now.

Let's face it, a lot of the winners are poaching their chicken and wet braising their ribs, pork and briskets with very light smoke. Vertical units are easier to control, don't have to be fueled as often and are more temperature consistent throughout the cooking chamber. Add to that that Pellet poopers and charcoal towers have significantly shorter learning curves than stick burners.

I heard this at a comp which pretty much sums it up: "The offset stick burner is the best biased ply tire running in a race full of radials."

The Virginian
08-19-2009, 08:15 PM
4 teams using WSMs, wow,that has me thinking.

Brett

Jeff Hughes
08-19-2009, 08:35 PM
JP Custom Smoke has, what I would call, a Jambo inspired, homemade offset.

It's the absolute nicest "home made" pit I've ever seen.

And yes, Jambo inspired to say the least...

Rub
08-19-2009, 08:56 PM
If you are talking solely KCBS contests, it's hard to argue with the lists presented.
But as Kap'n and butts alluded to, there's more than just KCBS out there :wink:. There are a lot of Stump's Smokers out there winning a bunch of contests as well.

Bbq Bubba
08-19-2009, 09:17 PM
Well, after this weekend, hopefully we can add a Lang to that list! :twisted:

Butcher BBQ
08-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Off set, up right, in line, insulated, wood, charcoal, pellet, what ever. I'm SCARED of all the cookers.

Dustaway
08-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Off set, up right, in line, insulated, wood, charcoal, pellet, what ever. I'm SCARED of all the cookers.

LMAO Yea you said it all:mrgreen:

Jeff_in_KC
08-19-2009, 10:47 PM
It could be all FE's or all WSMs or whatever in that list of three plus grands but it really doesn't matter. Most of those guys could cook on a ECB and win contests. All that list proves is what these guys' favorite smokers happen to be. It is and always will be the cook and not the cooker. If it weren't, some folks who cook on an FE and never do well would be winning contests as well.

MilitantSquatter
08-19-2009, 10:55 PM
It could be all FE's or all WSMs or whatever in that list of three plus grands but it really doesn't matter. Most of those guys could cook on a ECB and win contests. All that list proves is what these guys' favorite smokers happen to be. It is and always will be the cook and not the cooker. If it weren't, some folks who cook on an FE and never do well would be winning contests as well.

I agree that it's the cook first, and the cooker second..

I'd also say that it's possible, and may even exist to some degree that some can come on and only learn with insulated pits, pellet cookers, guru/stokers use some well known rubs/sauces/injections and might possibly get crushed trying to manage their way through a cheap offset and some individual spices etc. that requires added skill.

Knowing what it takes to win a comp, and knowing how to cook great BBQ are not necessarily one in the same.

Jeff Hughes
08-20-2009, 12:46 AM
Give me a minute. Let me call Rod...

So, what'd he say...

Plowboy
08-20-2009, 09:32 AM
You are all missing the obvious answer: Weber Kettle. This is probably a common thread among 80% of teams out there.

Plowboy
08-20-2009, 09:36 AM
I see a lot of FEC's out there these days, especially as I cook closer to the Ponca City Mothership. Sometimes these guys aren't getting calls or finishing middle of the pack. So, yes, cooker doesn't mean everything... but it means something.

Next discussion: Tent vs. Trailer vs. RV. :mrgreen:

ique
08-20-2009, 09:39 AM
I see a lot of FEC's out there these days, especially as I cook closer to the Ponca City Mothership. Sometimes these guys aren't getting calls or finishing middle of the pack. So, yes, cooker doesn't mean everything... but it means something.

Next discussion: Tent vs. Trailer vs. RV. :mrgreen:

In New England its almost ALL Backwoods now. Scottie can confirm. At Maine couple weekends ago it seemed like a BWS convention.

SmokeInDaEye
08-20-2009, 09:47 AM
I cook on WSMs because they work for me. I know how to control the heat so I don't have to babysit them, they are light and don't take up much room in my trailer, etc. But that's not to say I couldn't spend some time practicing on a backwoods or an FEC or a Spicewine and do ok. Cook on what works for you.

Scottie
08-20-2009, 09:55 AM
In New England its almost ALL Backwoods now. Scottie can confirm. At Maine couple weekends ago it seemed like a BWS convention.


I sure wouldn't want to show up and forgot my BBQr's Delight pellets... What I find funny. The reigning NEBS TOY for the last 5 years (I know cause I stole the trophy for some b ling in Maine..) Uses a FE. Why aren't all you NEBites, besides Brenden buying FE's? I would think a S+ S trailer with a Backwoods/FE set-up would be standard....

I'd borrow one if there was an extra and fly in for a whole bunch more contests, io can tell you that!!!

Lobstah and Poon....

Skip
08-20-2009, 10:00 AM
Lobstah and Poon....

:shock::shock::shock:

Oh harPOON :oops::oops::oops:

Plowboy
08-20-2009, 10:09 AM
:shock::shock::shock:

Oh harPOON :oops::oops::oops:

Maybe... maybe not. Scottie may have a hookup. NE booty call.

Plowboy
08-20-2009, 10:11 AM
In New England its almost ALL Backwoods now. Scottie can confirm. At Maine couple weekends ago it seemed like a BWS convention.

I hear ya. Lots of regional trends. Most of it is a combination of word of mouth and regional "mentors".

ique
08-20-2009, 10:36 AM
What I find funny. The reigning NEBS TOY for the last 5 years (I know cause I stole the trophy for some b ling in Maine..) Uses a FE. Why aren't all you NEBites, besides Brenden buying FE's? I would think a S+ S trailer with a Backwoods/FE set-up would be standard....


I guess we thought the FE was just for show :lol:

And also, we got a great fuel supplier local - Wicked Good. Pellets require shipping in these parts.

Scottie
08-20-2009, 11:09 AM
I guess we thought the FE was just for show :lol:

And also, we got a great fuel supplier local - Wicked Good. Pellets require shipping in these parts.


But you can buy in mass, then shipping isn't that bad... But I do understand about Wicked Good. I came home with a loadful for signing up early... Trying to figure out how to get it into my FE, without breaking the auger....

Well, ISS might use it for show... I thought I had a good shigging location and then Sean put up his EZ-up and blocked my view... Damn him.... :icon_smil