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ThomEmery
08-12-2009, 08:42 PM
Anyone listen to the fights?
I mean Board meeting.

Jeff_in_KC
08-12-2009, 10:37 PM
I just got home from my park board meeting and it must have been a full moon! Crissakes!!! I hope the KCBS Board meeting went better!

Sledneck
08-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Anyone listen to the fights?
I mean Board meeting.
Didnt know we could listen in

Meat Burner
08-12-2009, 11:31 PM
Half empty or half full. Start off negative or start off positive.

Divemaster
08-13-2009, 08:02 AM
Didnt know we could listen in
Me either....

musicmanryann
08-13-2009, 11:56 AM
any updates?

ThomEmery
08-13-2009, 03:21 PM
Pork rule stands as is
Table Capts will be expanded with class
A Lic contest cant be a State Championship
Everyone has to follow the same rules

Scottie
08-13-2009, 03:32 PM
And none of the 3 censure motions passed. Or even got off the ground...

Rub
08-13-2009, 03:46 PM
Pork rule stands as is
Table Capts will be expanded with class
A Lic contest cant be a State Championship
Everyone has to follow the same rules

Wonder what that is referrring to? Has their been preferential treatment given in the past?

QN
08-13-2009, 04:01 PM
Pork rule stands as is
Table Capts will be expanded with class
A Lic contest cant be a State Championship
Everyone has to follow the same rules

But, an unlicensed contest CAN be a State Championship. Why can't a licensed contest be a state championship? KCBS does not determine what contests are designated that way. Last I heard it was up to the governor of each state to make that decision. Oh wait, I see now, the KCBS board is going to take over and run everything for us, just like the new healthcare bill.... and tell us when, where, and how we can do anything related to barbecue. Good grief!:frown:

Bastey Boy
08-13-2009, 04:07 PM
Big Brother is watching you!

QN
08-13-2009, 04:11 PM
Big Brother is watching you!

:eek: :roll: :icon_sad

ThomEmery
08-13-2009, 05:42 PM
But, an unlicensed contest CAN be a State Championship. Why can't a licensed contest be a state championship? KCBS does not determine what contests are designated that way. Last I heard it was up to the governor of each state to make that decision. :


I will explain......
A licensed event uses the KCBS Program for free no sanctioning fees
This is in place for new contests That is why it cant be a state championship
Heck no 1st year contest would pay to be sanctioned :)
Sanctioned cost money, with that the promoter gets to be a state champ if he/she
has the Gov signature

QN
08-13-2009, 06:12 PM
I will explain......
A licensed event uses the KCBS Program for free no sanctioning fees
This is in place for new contests That is why it cant be a state championship
Heck no 1st year contest would pay to be sanctioned :)
Sanctioned cost money, with that the promoter gets to be a state champ if he/she
has the Gov signature

A first year contest does not have to have sanctioning from any organization (KCBS, or any other) if they have a proclamation from the governor. If they are a first year contest and they have a proclamation that they are a state championship and they have at least 15 teams and cook the required meat categories then they are a qualifier for a certain invitational contest. There was another thread on this very subject recently on this forum.
Qualifying Contests Include:

Contests with a “Qualifying State Championship.” A State Championship is a contest with a state proclamation signed by the Governor with at least 15 competing teams the first year and 25 competing teams each subsequent year.
Contests with a minimum of 50 competing teams are qualifiers and do not require a “State Championship” proclamation.
A state with only one contest must have a minimum of 15 competing teams to be considered but does not require a "State Championship” proclamation.
To be considered a "Competing Team,” teams must submit entries for all contest categories required to be the Grand Champion or overall winner of that event.
Nothing at all in the above requirements about KCBS having anything to do with it at all. A contest can use whatever scoring system they want to determine the winner. I'm thinking about starting my own barbecue organization. The Upper Alabama Smoking Society; UASS. :mrgreen:

ThomEmery
08-13-2009, 06:19 PM
This isnt about the state championship
Your info is 100% correct
Its about using the KCBS program
If you want the KCBS Rules and program
you play by the KCBS rules
Lic contest 1st year free
no championship
no paid organizer


OK :)

BogsBBQ
08-13-2009, 06:19 PM
I'd like to learn more about those censure motions. On the agenda, it says "Censure a director who failed to follow basic rules of etiquette and professional behavior during board meetings. Censure directors who failed to follow basic rules of etiquette and professional behavior outside the board meetings. Request for Executive session to censure Board member for conduct unbecoming a KCBS Board of Director." Anyone have more details than that?

Bentley
08-13-2009, 06:21 PM
A first year contest does not have to have sanctioning from any organization (KCBS, or any other) if they have a proclamation from the governor.

Nothing at all in the above requirements about KCBS having anything to do with it at all. A contest can use whatever scoring system they want to determine the winner.


And the sooner newer and some older teams and promoters learn this the better off Competition BBQ will be!

ThomEmery
08-13-2009, 06:23 PM
It is over like Mike Lake said thats all I know.
He showed great leadership and put a stop to
the squabbling

drbbq
08-13-2009, 06:33 PM
But, an unlicensed contest CAN be a State Championship. Why can't a licensed contest be a state championship? KCBS does not determine what contests are designated that way. Last I heard it was up to the governor of each state to make that decision. Oh wait, I see now, the KCBS board is going to take over and run everything for us, just like the new healthcare bill.... and tell us when, where, and how we can do anything related to barbecue. Good grief!:frown:

Calm down Mark. What they meant was that a State Championship can't be a licensed contest.

Now this one is just opinion but I don't think the American President is trying to turn us in to Russia.

ThomEmery
08-13-2009, 06:37 PM
LOL Ray

The Turk
08-13-2009, 08:16 PM
The International Ice BBQ Society (Fire on Ice) sanctionong body will allow any contest to use our scoring system - Taste scores 1 - 15, Tenderness 1 - 10 and appearance 1 - 5. Score in any catagory is 1 - 10. The factoring is almost the same as KCBS. Of course all IIBS contest must be held on a frozen lake but other than that:) As far as our president he is more of a Canadian Socialist as opposed to a Russian socialist.

CajunSmoker
08-13-2009, 08:28 PM
A first year contest does not have to have sanctioning from any organization (KCBS, or any other) if they have a proclamation from the governor. If they are a first year contest and they have a proclamation that they are a state championship and they have at least 15 teams and cook the required meat categories then they are a qualifier for a certain invitational contest. There was another thread on this very subject recently on this forum.

Qualifying Contests Include:

Contests with a “Qualifying State Championship.” A State Championship is a contest with a state proclamation signed by the Governor with at least 15 competing teams the first year and 25 competing teams each subsequent year.
Contests with a minimum of 50 competing teams are qualifiers and do not require a “State Championship” proclamation.
A state with only one contest must have a minimum of 15 competing teams to be considered but does not require a "State Championship” proclamation.
To be considered a "Competing Team,” teams must submit entries for all contest categories required to be the Grand Champion or overall winner of that event.
Nothing at all in the above requirements about KCBS having anything to do with it at all. A contest can use whatever scoring system they want to determine the winner. I'm thinking about starting my own barbecue organization. The Upper Alabama Smoking Society; UASS. :mrgreen:


If you've got Sun Drop, then PM me and I'll join the UASS:biggrin:

QN
08-13-2009, 08:30 PM
Calm down Mark. What they meant was that a State Championship can't be a licensed contest.

Now this one is just opinion but I don't think the American President is trying to turn us in to Russia.

The President? When did he get involved with barbecue? Guess he needed something to go with his beer... :grin:

QN
08-13-2009, 08:31 PM
If you've got Sun Drop, then PM me and I'll join the UASS:biggrin:

Plenty of Sundrop here and I do deliver to some contests, remember?:wink:

Jeff_in_KC
08-13-2009, 10:12 PM
Calm down Mark. What they meant was that a State Championship can't be a licensed contest.

Now this one is just opinion but I don't think the American President is trying to turn us in to Russia.

No, he's just trying to get the vote of the lazy people by giving them everything and making it so they don't even have to think for themselves so he can be re-elected. Crap! Now you got me off-topic! I guess since nothing will change about pork, I'll just not change anything about how I do mine either.

Dale P
08-14-2009, 06:19 AM
The President? When did he get involved with barbecue? Guess he needed something to go with his beer... :grin:

I thought Muslims didnt eat pork? :rolleyes:

timzcardz
08-14-2009, 07:10 AM
Pork rule stands as is
Table Capts will be expanded with class
A Lic contest cant be a State Championship
Everyone has to follow the same rules

Is it just me, or does this seem inconsistent with KCBS' stated mission.


Mission

Our mission is to celebrate, teach, preserve, and promote barbeque as a culinary technique, sport and art form. We want barbeque to be recognized as America's Cuisine.



It sounds like they are willing to teach and promote, as long as you don't celebrate too much your first time out, like with a state championship, unless of course you are willing to pay them.

And aren't state championships a significant part of promoting BBQ?

Isn't increasing the number of recognized competitions imnportatnt to the promotion of the sport.

If someone can run a successful competition and state championship the first time out, without KCBS assistance and guidance, does that diminish the incentive to be KCBS sanctioned the following year?

I certainly don't know all of the ins and outs of comps, but on at least some levels it seems short sighted to not allow licensing of comps if they are a state championship.

ThomEmery
08-14-2009, 07:25 AM
Is it just me, or does this seem inconsistent with KCBS' stated mission.



It sounds like they are willing to teach and promote, as long as you don't celebrate too much your first time out, like with a state championship, unless of course you are willing to pay them.

And aren't state championships a significant part of promoting BBQ?

Isn't increasing the number of recognized competitions imnportatnt to the promotion of the sport.

If someone can run a successful competition and state championship the first time out, without KCBS assistance and guidance, does that diminish the incentive to be KCBS sanctioned the following year?

I certainly don't know all of the ins and outs of comps, but on at least some levels it seems short sighted to not allow licensing of comps if they are a state championship.

KCBS will license a new contest for free. its about expanding the sport yes
They will do this to the 60 day window... (Fully Sanctioned events have a 90 day out deadline.)
But this free help for new contests isn't a way to avoid paying for sanctioning and
or missing the 90 day deadline.
So licensing has a few limitations such as no state championships and no paid organizers.
The policy fully supports the mission
Yes? If there were no limitations to this new contest help who would pay for 1st year sanctioning?

Jeff_in_KC
08-14-2009, 09:05 AM
Paid organizers?????? There are PAID organizers?? I must have missed that day of class! :eek:

KC_Bobby
08-14-2009, 09:34 AM
A first year contest does not have to have sanctioning from any organization (KCBS, or any other) if they have a proclamation from the governor. If they are a first year contest and they have a proclamation that they are a state championship and they have at least 15 teams and cook the required meat categories then they are a qualifier for a certain invitational contest. There was another thread on this very subject recently on this forum.
Qualifying Contests Include:


Contests with a “Qualifying State Championship.” A State Championship is a contest with a state proclamation signed by the Governor with at least 15 competing teams the first year and 25 competing teams each subsequent year.
Contests with a minimum of 50 competing teams are qualifiers and do not require a “State Championship” proclamation.
A state with only one contest must have a minimum of 15 competing teams to be considered but does not require a "State Championship” proclamation.
To be considered a "Competing Team,” teams must submit entries for all contest categories required to be the Grand Champion or overall winner of that event.



Help me out, I'm missing something regarding licensing vs sanctioning - what's the difference?

Also, the Qualifying Contests Include information above - isn't that solely the qualifying for the American Royal Invitational? If so, seems that next year the Royal will just have to tweak that rule with this licensing thing.

And on a side note ... wouldn't it be easier for the Royal to just say Grand Champions of all KCBS sanctioned/licensed comps of over 25 teams (15 if first year) are qualified to cook in their Invitational? And then list rules for the non-KCBS comps?

Scottie
08-14-2009, 09:52 AM
Paid organizers?????? There are PAID organizers?? I must have missed that day of class! :eek:


Heck yeah. Remember, they were able to start their own Forum here and not include anyone else... :icon_shy Maybe they did not include you cause you cook as well?

Jeff_in_KC
08-14-2009, 11:28 AM
Heck yeah. Remember, they were able to start their own Forum here and not include anyone else... :icon_shy Maybe they did not include you cause you cook as well?

Oh ok... well, I got in there but I didn't know I was supposed to get a paycheck! I'll have to ask around cuz I think I'm owed back pay by now!

ThomEmery
08-14-2009, 03:52 PM
Yep Jeff we do some for the love of the sport and
some are so big you have to see some income
(time invested)
or we could limit it to doing one a year.

ThomEmery
08-14-2009, 03:55 PM
Heck yeah. Remember, they were able to start their own Forum here and not include anyone else... :icon_shy Maybe they did not include you cause you cook as well?


:) it is not all that exciting.....................
Arlie shares more in one call :)

Jeff_in_KC
08-15-2009, 08:35 AM
Yep Jeff we do some for the love of the sport and
some are so big you have to see some income
(time invested)
or we could limit it to doing one a year.

Oh ok... see, I call those folks differently. To me, they're not organizers, they're promoters. The Don Kings of BBQ! :lol:

ThomEmery
08-15-2009, 08:44 AM
A promoter has money in his pocket and usually is a part of the larger event
generally doesn't know a Brisket from a Butt.
But does know how to do a event

A organizer does just that, organizes the event
and gets a little $ (very) put in his pocket for his/her time

Yes your right folks use the terms in the opposite order in other areas