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beam boys bbq
05-24-2009, 09:33 PM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

crd26a
05-24-2009, 10:00 PM
Let's see - $175ish to enter your contest, its our "space" to do with as we want within legal purproses, and then we have to pay $5 a beer to the city versus keeping a couple twelve packs on ice, bloody mary's in the morning, etc. etc. etc. I'd be hesitant on coming at all, given those situations, just seems like more of a cash grab.

Pyle's BBQ
05-24-2009, 10:04 PM
I would not attend in the first place. It costs us enough to go to these things. It would be like requiring us to purchase our meat at the contest only.

The other question is why? Are they trying to make money or control the hours that alcohol is consumed?

Alexa RnQ
05-24-2009, 10:25 PM
They wouldn't be making any money from us. We have no problem whatsoever with NO alcohol at an event. We've competed on a school grounds where none was allowed.

stan
05-24-2009, 10:27 PM
The cost of the contest, meat, getting there and then add the cost of the beer? I would not attend.

Bbq Bubba
05-24-2009, 10:29 PM
This has come up many times before.

Bottom line, act like an adult....drink out of an insulated cup.

If they don't see it, it's not a problem.

Jaberwabee
05-24-2009, 10:55 PM
If they would, I wouldn'e expect a 2nd annual for that contest. I can see making a contest "no alchohol" and understand the reasoning, but to try to only sell any alchohol to competitors, nada.

KC_Bobby
05-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Would they sell it in mass packaging or single serving?
If single serving, will they be delivering to those interested in booze exactly when they feel like having one? It would be difficult to trim a brisket walking to the concession.
Will the entry form ask which type of alcohol/brand and how much to provide?
Seems that many competitors prefer a certain drink/brand at comps for a variety of reasons - sponsorship, tradition, superstition, picky palette, and the list goes on and on.

The Pickled Pig
05-24-2009, 11:57 PM
We did a contest at a venue last year that was adamant about supplying all liquor. They claimed breaking the rule would violate their liquor license. It was clearly spelled out in every communication and we cheerfully complied. It wasn't that hard because they had a wide selection of beer and booze and the prices were only mildly inflated. However, we were one of the few teams in compliance as most teams still brought their own.

In this region we have so many contests to choose from that I don't see the need to violate restrictions or rules which are clearly advertised. While the "no alcohol" thing is a deal breaker for me (color me a lush), I wouldn't have a problem buying from a specified source if that were a requirement.

Uncle Buds BBQ
05-25-2009, 07:50 AM
We would not go. As a team we pick the contests that are the most fun for us and a big part of our selection process is how the organizers treat the teams.

Young Harris this weekend feed all the teams and even had coffee and doughnuts at 2am Sat. morning. A real first class event.

Uncle Bud

blues_n_cues
05-25-2009, 08:00 AM
This has come up many times before.

Bottom line, act like an adult....drink out of an insulated cup.

If they don't see it, it's not a problem.
thats what ya do here(dry county)
even @ the scottish highland games everyone has a flask lol.

BBQ_Mayor
05-25-2009, 08:05 AM
I get the impression they (the council) is talking about the public.
Most contests I've been too will allow the competitors to bring their own on site and the ask to have it put in a cup when walking around. They have also given out beer tickets as part of the entry to the contest.
As far as public, I would not allow them to carry a cooler in to the event area. Let them purchase from the beer tent. Most times this is where the band is playing anyway.

River City Smokehouse
05-25-2009, 08:17 AM
I would not enter a contest like that.

BBQ Grail
05-25-2009, 08:50 AM
It wouldn't bother me one bit if they had such a rule.

(Now if they forced me to buy all my diet cokes from a vendor, I would protest)

bbqbull
05-25-2009, 08:56 AM
More control from our gubberment.

If im renting the ground that my pit sits on, I will call my own shots.
Otherwise I wont show up in the first place.

Lippy
05-25-2009, 09:25 AM
Wouldn't even consider the comp.

BigBarry
05-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Red solo cups.

We would attend.

If they made an issue out of it (inspecting, enforcing), I would not return.

Most comps that I have attended have beer for sale but do not come around to the sites to enforce. If the language and severity of the communication about the policy seems draconian, I would think twice about entering. Make your point and let it go.

TN_BBQ
05-25-2009, 09:53 AM
I would not enter the contest.

I have no issue with them doing something like this, so long as they are clear about all this crap on the entry form. I've seen contests that were advertising themselves as "family friendly." We didn't enter. Not that we're not "family friendly" it's just that I like to BBQ and drink beer.

HBMTN
05-25-2009, 10:58 AM
I would not go.

Jeff Hughes
05-25-2009, 11:22 AM
The Cherokees call out for that every year in Claremore(has to do with the liquor license at the casino), everyone is somewhat discrete, and there are never any problems...

CajunSmoker
05-25-2009, 01:23 PM
More control from our gubberment.

If im renting the ground that my pit sits on, I will call my own shots.
Otherwise I wont show up in the first place.


Dam straight:!::!:

smoke-n-my-i's
05-25-2009, 02:21 PM
That would be like telling me that I can't bring my Gator Ade, coffee, and water.... I would have to say.... NO....

bam
05-25-2009, 02:29 PM
We would go Red Cups in tow.

nthole
05-25-2009, 02:40 PM
If they were going to enforce it, I wouldn't attend. If I could bring it and drink out of a cup I'd come. We pay an awful lot for organizers to try sucking more money from us.

This Washington? Did the beer vendors not make enough?

Diva Q
05-25-2009, 03:11 PM
It wouldn't bother me one bit if they had such a rule.

(Now if they forced me to buy all my diet cokes from a vendor, I would protest)

lol I completely understand this & agree

Sticks-n-chicks
05-25-2009, 09:23 PM
you could count me out.

CivilWarBBQ
05-25-2009, 11:38 PM
We have an enclosed cook trailer like many teams. What goes on inside is nobody's business and I doubt any organizer would be foolish enough to try to enforce such a rule. Here in Dixie it is very common for contests to have no alcohol policies. It's just as common for this to be widely ignored with an official Don't Ask - Don't Tell policy.

A rule such as you describe wouldn't prevent us from attending an event, but it's enforcement would be a disaster for the organizer, guaranteed.

Let grown-ups be grown-ups, I say.

gordo
05-26-2009, 06:30 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with it....:roll:

Because I wouldn't go cook at their event..:twisted:

Have seen some contest bite the dust cause the promoter got greedy and
was trying to make a buck from the very folks that come cook and draw in the crowds...

Without the teams...they aint got an event..

early mornin' smokin'
05-26-2009, 07:29 AM
Williepalloooza was listed as a no alcohol, will buy on site...cough cough

Sawdustguy
05-26-2009, 07:48 AM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

The Harpoon Brewery BBQ Championship of New England is run like this and it is the most popular contest in the North East. It doesn't hurt though that they give you a few cases when you arrive for free.

STX Cue
05-26-2009, 08:46 AM
The Harpoon Brewery BBQ Championship of New England is run like this and it is the most popular contest in the North East. It doesn't hurt though that they give you a few cases when you arrive for free.

I would like to see some of that down here! Free beer does a lot to make a contest popular with cooks! Of course the fact that it is sponsored by the brewery, it makes sense that they would want to have some control on what beer is consumed on-site.

For most normal contests, I think it would be a disaster for the contest to tell the cooks how they can obtain the alcohol they are going to drink. A couple around here try, and they sell pretty close to cost to the teams, but they also don't look in the trailers. Good thing, too!

Divemaster
05-26-2009, 09:27 AM
I don't think we would attend... I can understand an 'No Alcohol' comp and we would comply, but just to have them make more money off of us is out of the question.

It brings up another question... What about any alcohol that we use in our recipes? Do we need to buy that from them too?????

Ashmont
05-26-2009, 09:37 AM
We would not attend! I have two people on our team that cant drink "Beer" because of allergies. They can how ever have mixed drinks. My guess that this is two fold.


1) Make a little $$
2)Control the amount of alcohol consumed.


This is why we have $9.00 beers at the ball park.

Smokin Turkey
05-26-2009, 09:42 AM
I wouldn't go as a vendor. Competitors and Vendors alike have a ton of money into these things. I am trying to make a living at what I am doing and feeding the Beer tent guys isn't helping. If I do well, I buy some food from the vendors or something I have my eye on from another vendor. I agree it would seem to me to be a cash grab. If the situation was they just didn't want to see it then fine I can hide the beer I am drinking. If it comes to fines and harassment for the nightly shots and good fun that happens at these things, I would pack up, leave and demand $$ back.

These are family events and we all get along. The swearing is to a minimum and we all pretty much keep it clean. I am in a supposed "bible belt" here where there are dry townships. Somehow they didn't get the memo about prohabition. I am not for demonizing alcohol which I dont think is what is happening here but it does seem like a way to make money from the entertainment.

Think if it this way. When ou go to see your favorite band at an event.. you are the patron and you cant bring beer in so you foot the bill for $15 a beer crap. Do you really think the band is paying for beer backstage? Do you think they didnt bring an entire bar of thier own?

House
05-26-2009, 10:56 AM
I wouldn't go simply because we are helping them raise enough money as it is. No? I would attend a dry comp, no problem, just not one where they are making money off us that way.

Sawdustguy
05-26-2009, 11:10 AM
I wouldn't go simply because we are helping them raise enough money as it is. No? I would attend a dry comp, no problem, just not one where they are making money off us that way.

Duh......That absolutely makes no sense at all??????? No Sponsors making money, no contest. They don't do it for free. It should make no difference how much money they make. We compete to win the prize money. If the prize money is too low for you, don't cook the contest. Make sense?:icon_bugeyed

House
05-26-2009, 11:22 AM
Duh......That absolutely makes no sense at all??????? No Sponsors making money, no contest. They don't do it for free. It should make no difference how much money they make. We compete to win the prize money. If the prize money is too low for you, don't cook the contest. Make sense?:icon_bugeyed

They make money for charity, do they not? I've never been to a contest that was not to raise money for some charity or something. The last contest I went to raised something like $75,000 to buy playground equipment for their schools. Thats great, I am all for that. What I am saying is that I am spending $400 plus to go to a contest and will be doing great to break even. I don't really care about the prize money, that's not what it's about for me. I am just saying I will not go to a contest where you have to buy drinks from them, they are making enough money because of us through selling tasters choice kits, etc...

Alexa RnQ
05-26-2009, 11:23 AM
Duh......That absolutely makes no sense at all??????? No Sponsors making money, no contest. They don't do it for free. It should make no difference how much money they make. We compete to win the prize money. If the prize money is too low for you, don't cook the contest. Make sense?:icon_bugeyed
We don't "just" cook for the prize money. We also cook contests that benefit charities, we go to support first-year contests, etc.

It's perfectly reasonable that if a sponsor or promoter has practices we don't like or are inequitable to the teams, we'll elect not to cook that contest. Money isn't everything.

stlgreg
05-26-2009, 11:38 AM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

It is always something isn't york?

BTW, i dont think i would come either.

Merl
05-26-2009, 11:43 AM
I guess all of you will turn down your invitation to the Jack Daniels World Invitational.

These type of requirements are not unusual. Its all about how you handle it.

Merl

Jacked UP BBQ
05-26-2009, 11:50 AM
there are always ways around everything. I show up do my thing and handle any situation as it comes up. Drink out of a coke bottle

Alexa RnQ
05-26-2009, 01:18 PM
I guess all of you will turn down your invitation to the Jack Daniels World Invitational.

These type of requirements are not unusual. Its all about how you handle it.

Merl

Why yes, I do seem to recall seeing the booze police last October! :mrgreen:

Dale P
05-26-2009, 01:23 PM
No Merl I wouldnt turn down The Jack. I would just leave my 4 beer holding hard hat with self feeding straw at home. Said hat does save me from going to the cooler often, but Ill get by.

HawgHeaven
05-26-2009, 01:40 PM
I go to these things to cook... but I'll sip when needed.

They had the same policy at Salisbury, and they know that people do it anyway. In fact, Sandy had red cups made up with "This is not a beer" printed on them. Pretty funny...

TNTdancergirl
05-26-2009, 01:55 PM
The Harpoon Brewery BBQ Championship of New England is run like this and it is the most popular contest in the North East. It doesn't hurt though that they give you a few cases when you arrive for free.

Understandable! It is run by a Brewery and they give you some to start with.
The nice part is being able to choose competitions. If it is an alcohol free event and we decide to go, no issue. But to charge for beer after all the other expenses I think NOT! Kinda like being taxed again....None of us want that.
Correct me if I am wrong...but isn't it the contestants who draw the people there? :rolleyes:
No contestants= No income from the observers....enuf said

TNTdancergirl
05-26-2009, 01:57 PM
No Merl I wouldnt turn down The Jack. I would just leave my 4 beer holding hard hat with self feeding straw at home. Said hat does save me from going to the cooler often, but Ill get by.


without said HAT you may also save a few trips to bathroom or atleast save a few trees.

Dale P
05-26-2009, 02:01 PM
Hey girl, I got that covered too.

nthole
05-26-2009, 06:14 PM
I guess all of you will turn down your invitation to the Jack Daniels World Invitational.

These type of requirements are not unusual. Its all about how you handle it.

Merl

This is dry because the county is dry right? Even the prganizer isn't selling. Big diff between dry and not dry but ypu must buy from us.

Solidkick
05-26-2009, 07:53 PM
I guess all of you will turn down your invitation to the Jack Daniels World Invitational.

These type of requirements are not unusual. Its all about how you handle it.

Merl

I learned from a "bash bite" from the very first Brethren bash.......

"what happens in the trailer, stays in the trailer"

It wouldn't bother me either way.....I'd be out of sight.....

Merl
05-26-2009, 07:58 PM
The issue at most comps is not only making money but they all have to obtain a license. They must stay in compliance with the alcohol beverage boards.

I do not know of any state or city where there are not some requirements or license required for alcohol consumption in public. I am certain there are exceptions but few.

I think we can work with organizers. I have been to at least 75 contest where there were rules and we all worked it out.

I would ask you give this writer a little bit of a break and work with them.

Merl

Buster Dog BBQ
05-26-2009, 09:09 PM
Didn't take the time to read all the pages, so if this is a beaten horse then sorry. I don't go to comps to drink, I go and try and win money. Sure a few beers taste good, but I just don't get some teams that feel the need to get hammered and have a party all night long only to finish in the bottom 10. Too much invested to do that.

BBQ_Mayor
05-27-2009, 06:45 AM
Didn't take the time to read all the pages, so if this is a beaten horse then sorry. I don't go to comps to drink, I go and try and win money. Sure a few beers taste good, but I just don't get some teams that feel the need to get hammered and have a party all night long only to finish in the bottom 10. Too much invested to do that.


I don't think it's the case of getting "hammered". It's just that, if we have invested that much, then we deserve to have a drink of our choice to relax.
But your right, there have been and will be teams that come to drink and have a good time, good for them. Hell, I've been known to indulge in the libations. But if you can't have a good time doing something you love, then why do it.

Brewmaster
05-27-2009, 07:26 AM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

York,

Probably the best way to get the information you need is with a poll. Everyone is going to have their opinion on what is the right and wrong thing to do, but I think you are strictly looking for numbers.

Cheers,
Nate

timzcardz
05-27-2009, 08:15 AM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

Is the way the question is written to imply that the first time a participant was informed is when they show up?


If so, then I would never go back. Surprises like this for things that are forseeable or that should have been stated up front are entirely unacceptable.


If it is stated up front before the application is made and money sent in, then it wouldn't really bother me. If it is stated up front, then it should be enforced and telling the particpants to return the liquor to their vehicle is the right thing to do.

The_Kapn
05-28-2009, 06:18 PM
this is the question if you went to an contest and they told you that you need to put all your liquor back in your car and buy it at the event only would you ever come back ( i know this is an crazzy question but our city councel is fight this and my city council man wanted me to post this and get the responce of the bbq teams):rolleyes:


york

You question raises two points:
#1--If the organizer did not publish this rule in advance, they should be flogged.
Piss Poor Business practice there. :evil:

#2--If the local authorities and the organizer are "allowing" booze---and then declare that they are the only legitimate source--they are viewing the teams as an additional "profit center"--nothing more nor less.
This would be in addition to entry fees, ice sales, People's Choice income, and all of the other $$ we provide.
Unacceptable business practice to me.

With both of those conditions, I would pass for sure.
And--I only have a few brewskies on Fri afternoon after I am through "playing with knives" for prep.
Not a biggo deal, unless it was done as you stated it!!!!!!!!!!!

JMHO

TIM

Podge
05-28-2009, 06:43 PM
You question raises two points:
#1--If the organizer did not publish this rule in advance, they should be flogged.
Piss Poor Business practice there. :evil:

#2--If the local authorities and the organizer are "allowing" booze---and then declare that they are the only legitimate source--they are viewing the teams as an additional "profit center"--nothing more nor less.
This would be in addition to entry fees, ice sales, People's Choice income, and all of the other $$ we provide.
Unacceptable business practice to me.

With both of those conditions, I would pass for sure.
And--I only have a few brewskies on Fri afternoon after I am through "playing with knives" for prep.
Not a biggo deal, unless it was done as you stated it!!!!!!!!!!!

JMHO

TIM

Or a feller could really be an ass.... buy the beer, play with the knives, cut themselves, then sue the guy who sold you the beer..

dmprantz
05-28-2009, 11:16 PM
Just because it's some what local and it was asked, I want to make sure the organizer knows as many opinions as possible:

If it was clearly posted that there was no alcohol allowed or that no private acohol was allowed, I would think twice about going at all. I would probably only go if it was understood that I could drink privately and respobsibly *wink*.

If I showed up at a contest and it was not spelled out any where on the application or in the rules that personal beverages were not allowed by a team, there would be some serious problems. Forget about next year, but the current year would raise issues.

IANAL, but I think this becomes a legal issue, both civil (contract and tort) and criminal. From my experience, "dry county" does not mean it's illegal to drink there, just to buy there. I thought that the 21st amendment made it legal to drink wherever, but upon further review, the language does say that an entire state can make it illegal to import alcohol there. Still, if alcohol consumption is a "right," even in a dry county, why can't people drink at The Jack? I know from reading that the distillery has a special dispensation to give away alcohol, and I know that the US Supreme Court has ruled in Granholm v. Heald that out of state (or county) alcohol cannot be treated differently than in state (or county) alcohol. My point here is that if you are not allowed to drink, where's the law which says so? If you are legally allowed to drink, who is an organizer to tell me that I can't do it when at his contest?

The contract and tort portion come into effect when it is not clearly stated that teams cannot consume their own alcohol. Returning to the above, if I am legally allowed to drink my own alcohol, who are you to tell me that I can't? End result, big problems if this isn't made clear and it is going to be enforced when I am there. I'm an ash-hole, and I don't deny it, but we're talking calls to the police, lawsuit, and lost wages problems.

Of course, there is always an issue of public parks being used for contests, and those often have no alcohol laws which transcend most of the above...it all really boils down to the situation, but knowing the crowd that attends BBQ contests, any organizer had best make it very, very, very clear, as in bold print on the app, that no private acohol will be tolerated, or it will be a problem...this year. If it is made clear, just expect fewer teams. A wink and a nod goes a long way, but as was mentioned earlier, why stop at alcohol? How about soft drinks and snacks and charcoal and gasoline?

dmp

stlgreg
05-29-2009, 08:10 AM
awww but you arent going to local for long are you? how is the baby?

dmprantz
05-29-2009, 09:27 AM
Baby's doing well, thanks for askin! She slept for 7 hours last night, and is cute as can be:) I don't think I'll be going to your contest ever. Last year it was on my wedding day, this year, my daughter was born....if I plan to go next year, some one's gonna die.

dmp

Alexa RnQ
05-29-2009, 10:55 AM
Still, if alcohol consumption is a "right," even in a dry county, why can't people drink at The Jack?

...Because it's held on their private property, and they say so?

Which should be reason enough, but I believe it's simply a local ordinance prohibiting open carry. Open beer bottles were instructed to be poured out, but I don't believe red cups had any problem.

jbrink01
05-29-2009, 11:11 AM
Just had a meeting 2 nights ago. Here is the official position of the committee;

"We understand that teams will have their own alcohol. That's not an issue. We will give each team 1 souvenier cup per team member. Pour you beer IN it.

There will be no issues as long as the teams are discreet. The issue stems from a couple of teams giving drinks out to competitors and attendeees".

If I was a betting man, i'd say a margarita machine was involved.

Brewmaster
05-29-2009, 02:19 PM
The issue stems from a couple of teams giving drinks out to competitors and attendeees".

If I was a betting man, i'd say a margarita machine was involved.

I was parked next to the Margarita machine all night. I didn't see anything like that going on.:icon_blush:

nthole
05-30-2009, 08:34 AM
The team we were next to (and there was only one...and they all seemed to be local...and working for a bank) was handing out copious amounts of alchohol and food to everyone that stopped by. They were locals, so my guess is they may not have realized it was a big deal, especially since they knew everyone and don't regularly compete. I would guess that might have been the source of some of the problems.

Cups are a very fair solution.

Just Smokin' Around
05-31-2009, 10:33 PM
...."We understand that teams will have their own alcohol. That's not an issue. We will give each team 1 souvenier cup per team member. Pour you beer IN it.
There will be no issues as long as the teams are discreet. The issue stems from a couple of teams giving drinks out to competitors and attendeees".
....

This is VERY reasonable. Most contest I attend, teams are asked not to serve food to the public. At the cooks meeting, they will ask teams to keep the adult beverage consumption descrete and not give any to the public. These are contest that say no alcohol on the app. At the Jack cooks meeting, they said "we gave you a cup to use so please use it".

I think that is what they intended all along. The no alcohol rule is usually because the location is in a city, county or state park that has a no alcohol rule for all parks. Responsible behavior and descretion go a long way.