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backyardchef
04-16-2009, 08:42 PM
If a contest qualified you for the Jack and/or the Royal, but was not sanctioned by a BBQ organization, would you cook it?

If yes, why? If no, why?

MilitantSquatter
04-16-2009, 08:52 PM
Absolutely, as long as it was perceived to be well organized, fair entry fees and the the judging process was blind..

Alexa RnQ
04-16-2009, 09:03 PM
We did... once.
Never again.

I put too much into this to put it into the hands of non-CBJs, with no assurance of structure or if that structure will be followed.

backyardchef
04-16-2009, 09:05 PM
Hey there, Diva! Why do you say never again?

Alexa RnQ
04-16-2009, 09:06 PM
Premature "enter" keystroke. http://www.divaherself.com/funny/shiner.gif

Sledneck
04-16-2009, 09:08 PM
I thought a contest had to be sanctioned to be a qualifier

backyardchef
04-16-2009, 09:10 PM
I thought a contest had to be sanctioned to be a qualifier

The way I understand it is (I think) you need a governor's proclamation that it is a state championship and at least 15 teams the first year. And, I think that if you have at least 50 teams, you don't need the proclamation.

KC_Bobby
04-16-2009, 09:24 PM
I don't know if I'd ever say never. But if I were too, I'd go in with the attitude of fark it and what happens happens. Overcook those ribs baby!

It would have to be in my backyard and have a bunch of friends there - competing or not.

SmokeInDaEye
04-16-2009, 09:26 PM
Anythings possible in the Northeast right now as long as the plan is solid.

Just Smokin' Around
04-16-2009, 09:58 PM
I would certainly consider it. There was a first year contest last year in Louisa, VA Que and Cruz, that was a state championship but not sanctioned. While I wasn't able to make it, it was very well run and the winner ended up getting drawn for the Jack and an invite to the AR Invitational. I'll be there this year.

drbbq
04-17-2009, 05:58 AM
.......... I'd go in with the attitude of fark it and what happens happens..........

That's my answer too. I may do it if the location and fun factor looked good but I would expect issues (because everytime I've done it there have been some) and be willing to accept it that day. I know everybody in the NE is pissed at KCBS right now and I know people don't think what KCBS offers is worth the money but I disagree completely.

I've watched it grow for many years and while I disagree with much of what KCBS does these days I would never even consider having a contest without using them.

rbsnwngs
04-17-2009, 06:01 AM
I don't know if I'd ever say never. But if I were too, I'd go in with the attitude of fark it and what happens happens. Overcook those ribs baby!

It would have to be in my backyard and have a bunch of friends there - competing or not.

Willie Pallooooza is a non sanctioned event with whata looks to be like all CBJ's as of now so dont over cook them to much

Sledneck
04-17-2009, 06:17 AM
That's my answer too. I may do it if the location and fun factor looked good but I would expect issues (because everytime I've done it there have been some) and be willing to accept it that day. I know everybody in the NE is pissed at KCBS right now and I know people don't think what KCBS offers is worth the money but I disagree completely.

I've watched it grow for many years and while I disagree with much of what KCBS does these days I would never even consider having a contest without using them.
Hey doc dont speak for me I am not pissed heck I am not even a member:biggrin: I do however think its time for the NE to experience a contest up here sanctioned by another organization such as lets say maybe FBA:biggrin:

drbbq
04-17-2009, 06:19 AM
Hey doc dont speak for me I am not pissed heck I am not even a member:biggrin: I do however think its time for the NE to experience a contest up here sanctioned by another organization such as lets say maybe FBA:biggrin:

The other man's grass is always greener. I'm just saying.

Lakeside Smoker
04-17-2009, 06:28 AM
We just cooked The BBQ Bailout up here in the middle of winter. It did not count for TOY points, wasn't sanctioned, and no one was going to The Jack if they won it. We had a blast and can't wait to do it again next year. Much like Williepalloza for the Long Island guys, it counts for fun. That being said, I do understand the need (for some teams) for every competition to 'count' for something; a qualifier, TOY points, etc. We cook, and love those too. But, sometimes it's good to just get out there, have a great time, and cook.

Divemaster
04-17-2009, 06:52 AM
We do one up in Wisconsin (Lone Wolf) that isn't a qualifier nor sanc.

It's our first one of the year and kind of a shake out comp for us. Now I must say that this is a very unique comp so that may have some thing to do with it.

Normally I'm looking for KCBS but I don't turn down some thing that isn't out of hand.

FatBoyz
04-17-2009, 07:56 AM
non sactioned contest can be fon and have great prizes just ask ford

Ford
04-17-2009, 08:22 AM
We do one up in Wisconsin (Lone Wolf) that isn't a qualifier nor sanc.

It's our first one of the year and kind of a shake out comp for us. Now I must say that this is a very unique comp so that may have some thing to do with it.

Normally I'm looking for KCBS but I don't turn down some thing that isn't out of hand.

non sactioned contest can be fon and have great prizes just ask ford
And it doesn't have a governors proclamation so it's not a qualifier for any of the invitationals. :sad: But as Dive and Billy know it does have an onsite bar with a firehouse pole :twisted: on the dance floor and some excellent hosts.

And you know Billy I think I hear a Harley calling me now:biggrin:

Ford
04-17-2009, 08:27 AM
If a contest qualified you for the Jack and/or the Royal, but was not sanctioned by a BBQ organization, would you cook it?

If yes, why? If no, why?
Yes - if I know it's going to be well run, if the location is good, if I can get assurances that it will be a fair contest and not a local team wins thing and that it uses standard judging criteria that is not stolen from the KCBS. I'd want to understand everything up front before making a decision. I've been burned too many times on peoples choice voting, etc. And the money would hvae to be good. Having a Harley as GC always helps.

No - unless I know exactly what the rules are published up front and unless I know the people running it, I would not go. Way to many people just out to make a buck and rip off cooks. I know when it's sanctioned then I can trust it.

Ford
04-17-2009, 08:30 AM
That's my answer too. I may do it if the location and fun factor looked good but I would expect issues (because everytime I've done it there have been some) and be willing to accept it that day. I know everybody in the NE is pissed at KCBS right now and I know people don't think what KCBS offers is worth the money but I disagree completely.

I've watched it grow for many years and while I disagree with much of what KCBS does these days I would never even consider having a contest without using them.
I must be getting old. Here I am agreeing with you totally on this. BTW if you can make that Wolf it down contest in WI you'd love it. And obviously the judges know what they're doing based on last years results.:icon_devil

Spydermike72
04-17-2009, 08:33 AM
And obviously the judges know what they're doing based on last years results.:icon_devil

I love that answer!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:

Divemaster
04-17-2009, 08:59 AM
And obviously the judges know what they're doing based on last years results.:icon_devil

I love that answer!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
First timers... They had no idea, but this year they do.... Watch your back Ford... I'm coming for ya!

Ford
04-17-2009, 09:50 AM
First timers... They had no idea, but this year they do.... Watch your back Ford... I'm coming for ya!
I'm hoping Coz doesn't cook so he can be watching my back. And remember that you'll be on my turf next weekend. My possee will be showing up both Friday night and Saturday. 8-) I promsied to feed some of my clients. Unfortunately Carol and the wild beasts will not be there.:icon_sad

Divemaster
04-17-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm hoping Coz doesn't cook so he can be watching my back.
I'm hoping that he does!

And remember that you'll be on my turf next weekend. My possee will be showing up both Friday night and Saturday. 8-) I promsied to feed some of my clients.

I'll sleep with one eye open... lol

Unfortunately Carol and the wild beasts will not be there.:icon_sad
Dang! I was hoping to meet her!:mad:

Coz
04-17-2009, 04:39 PM
Coz will be there being Fords clean up bitch.Poor bastridge cant afford too many comps .I would like to compete a little more but its just the way it is.

Lakeside Smoker
04-18-2009, 06:20 AM
I also think the success of a contest has a lot to do with a good organizer, not the sanctioning body.

backyardchef
04-18-2009, 11:25 AM
I know everybody in the NE is pissed at KCBS right now and I know people don't think what KCBS offers is worth the money but I disagree completely.

I've watched it grow for many years and while I disagree with much of what KCBS does these days I would never even consider having a contest without using them.

Doc, I hear you. And my post was not just motivated by the recent events between KCBS and NEBS, but out of the hope for the growth of other sanctioning organizations-- not to KCBS' detriment, but to the better for cooks w/ more diverse contest styles.

I understand the benefits of having sanctioning from KCBS-- rules, reps, judges, consitency, less chance of funny business, etc....and respect all of that, even if the (p.r.) behavior of the organization as it grows becomes more unpalatable.

A greater variety of contest styles (grilling, backyarder, etc...) keeps the sport within reach of both 'career' competitiors and weekend warriors that just want to drink and hang out. I look forward to people nurturing both without either being a rip-off or a fix, just more well run events for the growth of BBQ.....without infringing on intellectual properties.....

HONCHO GREGORY
04-21-2009, 05:58 PM
Hey folks; please give us a chance. We run a non-san. event under the watchfull eyes of the National BBQ Festival. We run the Smokin Eagles International BBQ Festival in Wheatfield NY. We are a qualifier for the BIG show in Douglas GA. The proud home of the National Barbecue News, Publisher Kell Phelps, from the famed Phelps Family. Now you all know how much the Phelps have helped moved BBQ in the future, with the can do attitude. So please don't judge an event by the sanctioning body. Because we don't have one either. Please judge us on our own merits. It was said "that this event was one of the best, if not the best we have ever been at" by the BBQ news staff writer the Honorable Rocky Danner. Thank You, again Rocky. So please come enjoy our event, We got big plans for this year.

Thank You for reading
Chairman, Smokin Eagles International BBQ Festival
Roy "Honcho" Gregory rgregory6@roadrunner.com

Big George's BBQ
04-21-2009, 07:17 PM
I would go to a non state champ contest. I am doing it at Green Lane. I have only done well at one contest- New Holland last year. I have not figured out how I did that. I am there to have fun with my team and the other teams there. I figure the only way a Comp can become a State Comp is if there are enough teams. Someone has to do it. Right now if I made it to the Jack or the Royal it would be great and error with someones taste buds

Tarheel
04-22-2009, 07:50 AM
We did Louisa last year also. It was licenced by the KCBS and they also had help from the Mid Atlantic BBQ. Bill and his crew did a outstanding job with it and this year has turned it into a sactioned event. I probably would have gone back even if it wasn't.

Roy:biggrin:

Jacked UP BBQ
04-22-2009, 07:55 AM
I will cook any contest with any categories ran by anyone. All comps are what you make of them. Judging means nothing if you can cook good food. Give me a trophy, a good day of drinking and decent friends along for the day. Thats all I need.