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BBQchef33
01-10-2009, 02:43 PM
Another thread made my right brain ask me a question that my left brain couldnt answer.

Scenario:

Theres a contest with 25 teams signed up. So it qualifies as a Qualifier for the Big Invitationals.

One of the team screws up a catagory or 2 and gets DQ'ed in them.

There is now only have 24 scores in some catagories.

Does the contest loose the the status as a 'Qualifier'. ?



Next Scenario.

Same contest.

AFTER judging a team gets DQ'ed for whatever. (fighting, using gas, cheating, whatever). The DQ drops the team count to 24.

Again what happens to the qualifier status. ?




Just curious. :confused:



On EDIT: Wording Edited base on plowboys correction to original question.

Jeff Hughes
01-10-2009, 02:45 PM
That one's for Merl...

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 02:51 PM
Trick question. It is a state championship because of the governor proclamation.

I think the question that you are asking is if it qualifies for the invitationals. What I understand is that scenario #2 takes the contest out of the invitationals. Not sure about #2. I believe that Jack looks at individual categories so that contests don't have a few "chicken only" teams just to make their numbers.

BBQchef33
01-10-2009, 02:54 PM
yeah.. thats what I meant. Invitational qualifiers. i edited the original question. thanks.


So u think that if a team gets a full DQ for whatever, it wrecks the GC's chances at the jack?

Double D's BBQ
01-10-2009, 02:54 PM
It still should be a qualifier as long as the disqualification occurred after all 25 teams have turned in their meats.

But don't hold me to it, I'm just guessing. Now if for some reason the disqualification occurred before turn ins, I thinkg there would be a problem.

BBQchef33
01-10-2009, 03:03 PM
And what if on game day, team 25 is a no show. All of a sudden 24 teams are screwed?

I know thats when organizers scramble to get a 'chicken only' team cooking on a smokey joe, but what if they cant. ?

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 03:26 PM
And what if on game day, team 25 is a no show. All of a sudden 24 teams are screwed?

I know thats when organizers scramble to get a 'chicken only' team cooking on a smokey joe, but what if they cant. ?

From what I understand, the 24 are screwed.

I can't find invitational qualifications on the Jack or AMR site right now. They detail the requirements for their contests.

Alexa RnQ
01-10-2009, 03:29 PM
We went around the mulberry bush about this at the end of last season with the Utah contests. And the official line was, all 25 teams have to turn in all four meats.
But somehow auditing the season turns up a few discrepancies.

MilitantSquatter
01-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Who provides Invitiational contests with the actual State Champ results/score sheets that allows them to audit something like team count or DQ's ?

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 03:38 PM
who provides invitiational contests with the actual state champ results/score sheets that allows them to audit something like team count or dq's ?

kcbs

Roo-B-Q'N
01-10-2009, 04:00 PM
Trick question. It is a state championship because of the governor proclamation.


Once a contest is proclaimed by the governor, is the contest always a state championship or does it have to have a proclimation every year?

KC_Bobby
01-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Here's my understanding of the rule changes that happened in 2008

The year started off that as long as 25 teams were entered and turned in one catagory, the comp was used as a qualifier.

Then the rule changed that 25 teams need to turn in 4 catagories on time to qualify.

Then because a nameless team was 40 seconds late turning in a brisket at a 25 team comp, the rule was changed again that as long as 25 teams turn in all 4 catagories regardless if it is late or not the comp would be a qualifier. Late entries would get scored 1-1-1 across the board which is still technically a disqualification but, since it gets a score of 20, it makes 25 teams.

That's how I understood the changes as in the Bullsheet this past year. I hope Rod or Merl correct me or elaborate further.

ov1
01-10-2009, 05:31 PM
From what I understand, it has to proclaimed by the Governor every year. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Once a contest is proclaimed by the governor, is the contest always a state championship or does it have to have a proclimation every year?

Based on Jeff's comments about the Pleasant Hill contest, he said they got a proclamation last year so they are good to go this year.

Aren't you an organizer for a NE State Championship? :roll:

KC_Bobby
01-10-2009, 05:49 PM
If a state has more then 1 governor state championship proclimation ... what's the point? Or does it need that proclaimation in order to be recognized as a qualifier?

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 05:50 PM
If a state has more then 1 governor state championship proclimation ... what's the point? Or does it need that proclaimation in order to be recognized as a qualifier?

Bingo.

Double D's BBQ
01-10-2009, 05:52 PM
I think that if a contest has been declared a state championship by the governor only 25 teams are needed to make it a qualifier, without the state championship designation I think it needs 50 teams.

Plowboy
01-10-2009, 06:35 PM
I think that if a contest has been declared a state championship by the governor only 25 teams are needed to make it a qualifier, without the state championship designation I think it needs 50 teams.

15 the first year

Diva
01-10-2009, 08:41 PM
Once a contest receives a proclamation its good forever, no need to re-up it every year. If a contest has the proclamation it is a state championship. If its the state championships first year, it takes 15 teams to meet the qualification criteria, every year after it takes 25 teams to meet the criteria.

BBQchef33
01-10-2009, 09:15 PM
The State championship proclamation is just white gravy if its not a qualifer for the GAB, Jack, AR, or some big contest. I'd like to know if a contest can loose its qualifier status after the teams arrived due to a team:

not turning in a catagory
getting DQ in one or more catagories
getting DQ from the event itself due to rule infraction
or just not showing up

????

Scottie
01-10-2009, 10:01 PM
My understanding is the contest would not be a qualifier for the Royal, but it would be good for the Jack...

Plowboy
01-11-2009, 12:20 AM
Apparently, the GAB only requires 10 teams and no State Proclamation.

http://www.thinkbbq.com/download%20files/2008%20Invitational%20Criteria%20PDF.pdf (http://www.thinkbbq.com/download%20files/2008%20Invitational%20Criteria%20PDF.pdf)

The Royal and the Jack have their own rules that I can't find online anymore.

Diva
01-11-2009, 08:35 AM
The State championship proclamation is just white gravy if its not a qualifer for the GAB, Jack, AR, or some big contest. I'd like to know if a contest can loose its qualifier status after the teams arrived due to a team:

not turning in a catagory
getting DQ in one or more catagories
getting DQ from the event itself due to rule infraction
or just not showing up

????

Yes. That's one reason why contests aren't supposed to use 'qualifier' etc. in advertising. They don't really know if the criteria is going to be met until turn-in, exactly due to the reasons you mentioned.

Merl
01-11-2009, 09:12 AM
The State championship proclamation is just white gravy if its not a qualifer for the GAB, Jack, AR, or some big contest. I'd like to know if a contest can loose its qualifier status after the teams arrived due to a team:

not turning in a catagory
getting DQ in one or more catagories
getting DQ from the event itself due to rule infraction
or just not showing up

????

Great questions Phil,

Last year the Board addressed this issue. It was proposed that all DQ's receive a minimum of a 1. The goal was to not have various types of DQ values, such as no score.

The Board made changes
for late turn in: DQ =1
for wrong meat in box: DQ=1

We already had existing rules published in our rules for garnish, foreign objects or materials, chunky sauce exceeding a 1/8 in fine dice and the like.

The Board declined to include such issues as a team DQ from the contest for use of gas or disciplinary reasons.

So we made progress. I would like to see every DQ for any reason receive a score of 1, for the reasons you have raised.

Yours in Que
Merl Whitebook

BBQchef33
01-11-2009, 09:13 AM
so i guess the safest way is to shoot for 30 teams to give yourself a buffer.

Roo-B-Q'N
01-11-2009, 10:52 AM
Based on Jeff's comments about the Pleasant Hill contest, he said they got a proclamation last year so they are good to go this year.

Aren't you an organizer for a NE State Championship? :roll:

Yes and every year we have gotten a proclimation from the Gov. If that is not needed, I don't wan tot waste the time.