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EatonHoggBBQ
01-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Has the KCBS updated the TOTY list today?

TOTY list this morning
Munchin Hogs@the Hilton
Cool Smoke
Four Men & a Pig
PELLET ENVY
Smoky Mountain Smokers
Twin Oaks Smokin' Crew
Lotta Bull BBQ
Iowa's Smokey D's BBQ
4 Legs Up BBQ
Quau

TOTY this afternoon
Munchin Hogs@the Hilton
Cool Smoke
Four Men & a Pig
PELLET ENVY
Smoky Mountain Smokers
Twin Oaks Smokin' Crew
Iowa's Smokey D's BBQ
4 Legs Up BBQ
Lotta Bull BBQ
cancersuckschicago.com

and so on......

Scottie
01-05-2009, 04:44 PM
cool. I hope I keep moving up.... :roll:

bigabyte
01-05-2009, 05:56 PM
Does this mean they've already moved to real time scoring?:lol:

EatonHoggBBQ
01-05-2009, 06:50 PM
Just curious as to how this works.

From KCBS TOTY list
..........................................place ..points
GREAT LAKES BBQ&FEED CO. ....185 ....1160
Great Lakes BBQ & Feed C ......2776 .....100

Two different entries/spellings. Is this a typo or did Ford change the spelling of his team name? There are more than just this one.

The_Kapn
01-05-2009, 06:59 PM
The "name spelling" problem is one that KCBS is reported to be grappling with.

Proper data base design would have a list of the teams so as the entry is entered, a drop down list would show with the team names to select from.
If a team has never competed before, it would be entered as a new team.

Unless (or until) they get the database fixed, it is going to take manual editing, and a lot of it, to keep the results posted with the proper team.

I wish them luck.

TIM

Alexa RnQ
01-05-2009, 07:03 PM
From KCBS TOTY list
..........................................place ..points
GREAT LAKES BBQ&FEED CO. ....185 ....1160
Great Lakes BBQ & Feed C ......2776 .....100

it is going to take manual editing, and a lot of it

Oy. http://www.divaherself.com/popeindespair.gif

GratefulSmoker
01-05-2009, 07:11 PM
I saw a couple teams that were listed multiple times. Is it too late for them to make these corrections? The awards ceremony isn't too far off.........

HoDeDo
01-05-2009, 07:30 PM
They did mention it in the bullsheet - and ask folks to call in and give the proper spelling, etc. to ensure that they got recorded appropriately. Just looking at your score sheets from each contest, you knew this was going to be an issue :)

I think they are working it, and updating... and then there were some contests that were just absent from the points, etc....

EatonHoggBBQ
01-05-2009, 08:02 PM
They did mention it in the bullsheet - and ask folks to call in and give the proper spelling, etc. to ensure that they got recorded appropriately. Just looking at your score sheets from each contest, you knew this was going to be an issue :)

Should this be an issue??

Mr C's Smoking&Grilling (2577)
Mr.C's Smoking & Grillin (4075)

Is there that much difference that it can't be figured out????

(this is from this mornings TOTY post on the KCBS website)

HoDeDo
01-05-2009, 09:04 PM
Should this be an issue??

Mr C's Smoking&Grilling (2577)
Mr.C's Smoking & Grillin (4075)

Is there that much difference that it can't be figured out????

(this is from this mornings TOTY post on the KCBS website)

Actually, yes.... that could be two teams.
For example.
Smoke on Wheels has cooked in two places at once... one as smoke on wheels and one as smoke on wheels.com

Grillin' vs. Grilling... could be a person "splitting" the team to be at two events.

Or for example Music City Pig Pals and Music City Slab Pals....

Validation from the teams is likely needed. Wouldnt want to make a false assumption, and merge scores that shouldnt be merged.

A perfect example is Great Grills of Fire and Great Grills o' Fire. Those are actually two totally different teams.

KC_Bobby
01-05-2009, 09:22 PM
And I know a team in Iowa that goes by Smoker on Wheels - similarilies with some names are not uncommon.

We should be assigned numbers ASAP before too many teams get going this year, then each rep would get a block of numbers to assign to new teams throughout the year or KCBS could assign as the score sheets come through.

Maybe track points by head cook, then the database could be changed from head cook name to team name. Or by KCBS number (which doesn't help for non-KCBS teams, but why would KCBS keep track of non-active member teams? which would bring up membership expiration date). Then teams with multiple KCBS members would need to designate a head cook and always sign up under the same number (easy task to do, if the person who signs the team up knows the number - for instance my brother and I - sometimes he signs us up ... sometimes I do - just depends)

Butt-A-Bing!
01-05-2009, 09:37 PM
Okay heres a question, our team name is Butt-A-Bing BBQ, we are listed as being in 315th place. BUTT A BING BBQ is listed in 1620th place. I am wondering if those are our points also. I have seen our name both ways on scoresheets. I have also seen it without the BBQ on the end also. Combine the scores and we are in the 240's.

Chris

:?:

KC_Bobby
01-05-2009, 09:40 PM
Chris, it's easy to figure out if they are yours or not. Go back and figure out your points based on finish and how many teams - for each comp. Then take the highest 10 points (if you did more then 10) from overall and from each catagory. Yes, it's OK to physically circle the 10 highest numbers for each (overall, chicken, ribs, pork, brisket) then add each of the circled numbers up by catagory and that will give you your point totals for overall and each catagory.

(if you already know how points are scored, sorry for the elaberate explanation - not intended to be interpreted as talken down to - for informational purposes only - now, I hope I explained it correctly)

Edit - better resource and explanation http://www.kcbs.us/rankings.php

GratefulSmoker
01-05-2009, 09:50 PM
I agree with boondoggle that we should be assigned numbers to use when we sign up for event's. I guess with this many teams the similarities in team name is bound to happen.

KC_Bobby
01-05-2009, 09:55 PM
I cooked beside a Dazed and Confused team in Iowa once too - Smoker on Wheels was right across from us at the same comp.

GratefulSmoker
01-05-2009, 10:05 PM
When we decided in Oct to do our first competition I did my best to make sure that no other teams in the KCBS had our name. As far as I could tell we were safe. Since then I have seen 3 teams at comps with our name. Luckily none of them were on the rankings. Nothing you can do about it I guess.

Butt-A-Bing!
01-05-2009, 10:14 PM
Chris, it's easy to figure out if they are yours or not. Go back and figure out your points based on finish and how many teams - for each comp. Then take the highest 10 points (if you did more then 10) from overall and from each catagory. Yes, it's OK to physically circle the 10 highest numbers for each (overall, chicken, ribs, pork, brisket) then add each of the circled numbers up by catagory and that will give you your point totals for overall and each catagory.

(if you already know how points are scored, sorry for the elaberate explanation - not intended to be interpreted as talken down to - for informational purposes only - now, I hope I explained it correctly)

Edit - better resource and explanation http://www.kcbs.us/rankings.php

Thanks Bobby, we only did six comps so not too hard to figure. a quick tally has us at 239th instead of 315th. Maybe they'll figure it out. they had us at 369 on Sunday. So we're headed up!:biggrin:

thenewguy
01-06-2009, 12:25 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question...is there a search button or something on the kcbs site to find your team name?
Or are you supposed to just scroll through all the names?

tonto1117
01-06-2009, 02:53 AM
They did mention it in the bullsheet - and ask folks to call in and give the proper spelling, etc. to ensure that they got recorded appropriately. Just looking at your score sheets from each contest, you knew this was going to be an issue :)

I think they are working it, and updating... and then there were some contests that were just absent from the points, etc....

I did call them after that article came out in the bullsheet....we constantly get "smokin scotsman" instead of "smokin scotsmen" even though we put it on the app. correctley.

We crunched the numbers last night and come up with over a 220 point discrepencey....would make a difference of 93rd vs being in the 60's somewhere. Will call tommorow and see what they say.

Ford
01-06-2009, 04:45 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question...is there a search button or something on the kcbs site to find your team name?
Or are you supposed to just scroll through all the names?
once you have the page open, use the browser search. If it's explorer then the edit menu and find.

CaptTable
01-06-2009, 07:15 AM
Most of us reps "build" our scoring program prior to arriving at the contest and it is based on the list provided us by the organizers.

When Kathy & I distribute the turn-in boxes, we usually verify team names against this. It is sooooo easy to add a "g" when it supposed to be "smokin". Especially if the team phoned in their entry. And you wouldn't believe how many teams don't want any capitalized letters in their name. Or use "-n-" or "&" instead of "and".

Another big problem we reps have is that the present scoring program has a limited space for the team name. I don't remember exactly how many characters is the limit, but teams are getting so creative (and long) with their names, that they don't fit on the system.

And if a team goes to 8-10 contests and have 6-7 different reps, it is very easy to have a descrepency.

HOPEFULLY, the new program will allow us to enter some number along with the name so it will not be so particular as to how the name is entered.

Phillip

Diva
01-06-2009, 07:51 AM
25 characters

Roo-B-Q'N
01-06-2009, 08:17 AM
Maybe this is a dumb question...is there a search button or something on the kcbs site to find your team name?
Or are you supposed to just scroll through all the names?

As Bobby taught us (reminded us) in the last thread use control F on any of thepages and then type in your name.

Sledneck
01-06-2009, 08:28 AM
Does anybody know who to email to request a correction?

Scottie
01-06-2009, 08:39 AM
Dawn at KCBS handled the project. A huge undertaking for her. As she didn't create the mess.


Philip and Kathy were the first reps that I had that walked around and distributed the boxes ahead of the cooks meeting. A class touch, as you can then have one on one time with the reps. More and more reps are now doing this.

Bbq Bubba
01-06-2009, 09:05 AM
As Bobby taught us (reminded us) in the last thread use control F on any of thepages and then type in your name.

YOU are the man! :biggrin:

Sledneck
01-06-2009, 09:09 AM
Dawn at KCBS handled the project. A huge undertaking for her. As she didn't create the mess.


P.
I do not see her email listed on any of the contact info on the KCBS site

Greatgrills
01-06-2009, 09:18 AM
I had to call and leave her a message they have us listed with Great Grills O' Fire and Great Grills O' Fire Jeff City(which we had to use at the Great American). Hopefully can get it fixed.

tonto1117
01-06-2009, 10:09 AM
Philip and Kathy were the first reps that I had that walked around and distributed the boxes ahead of the cooks meeting. A class touch, as you can then have one on one time with the reps. More and more reps are now doing this.

Couldn't agree more. The other bonus to that was being able to get a jump on starting my boxes...especially being that was the weekend I was introduced to that wonderfull but evil concotion "Sun Drop & JD":rolleyes: Should just call that drink a "Drop Me":tongue:

CaptTable
01-06-2009, 10:20 AM
I'm saving my monthly samples so we can do that again in Westmont this year! I'll be taking Sundrop orders, also!

Phillip

Sledneck
01-06-2009, 10:23 AM
I sent an email to Amy the office manager awinn@kcbs.us and she corrected it within minutes.

CajunSmoker
01-06-2009, 10:28 AM
There was some folks that were disappointed that the TOTY rankings were announced before the banquet and the surprise factor was lost. Looks like the surprise may still be there:lol:

Scottie
01-06-2009, 10:50 AM
I'm saving my monthly samples so we can do that again in Westmont this year! I'll be taking Sundrop orders, also!

Phillip


Will that be a barrel by then??? :roll::shock::twisted:8-)

CaptTable
01-06-2009, 11:13 AM
You Yankees didn't finish off what I carried up there last year. Of course, we kept it quiet around The Shigs!:lol:

ique
01-06-2009, 11:25 AM
I sent an email to Amy the office manager awinn@kcbs.us and she corrected it within minutes.

hmmm. I emailed her this AM, no update yet though.

Sledneck
01-06-2009, 11:32 AM
hmmm. I emailed her this AM, no update yet though.
here is dawns email dendrijaitis@KCBS.US (deharwell@KCBS.US)

Scottie
01-06-2009, 12:18 PM
You Yankees didn't finish off what I carried up there last year. Of course, we kept it quiet around The Shigs!:lol:


Hey now!!! I tried my bestest to finish it off!!! That dedication probably cost me that .5 points that I lost the GC by!!! :shock:

Scottie
01-06-2009, 12:20 PM
hmmm. I emailed her this AM, no update yet though.


Chris, yours are going to be messed up, because there is an iQue team from Southern Illinois... Same exact name.... Although, I do not think they score quite like how you guys do... 8-)

LindaM
01-06-2009, 12:20 PM
Okay heres a question, our team name is Butt-A-Bing BBQ, we are listed as being in 315th place. BUTT A BING BBQ is listed in 1620th place. I am wondering if those are our points also. I have seen our name both ways on scoresheets. I have also seen it without the BBQ on the end also. Combine the scores and we are in the 240's.

Chris

:?:

Chris,

You need to contact the KCBS office to have it corrected. I am sure there is an error

Jorge
01-06-2009, 12:30 PM
Is there a reason why the member # of the head cook can't be used, to eliminate the issues that come along with team names?

tonto1117
01-06-2009, 12:33 PM
You Yankees didn't finish off what I carried up there last year. Of course, we kept it quiet around The Shigs!:lol:

Hey, I did my best too...or at least that's what I was told...:roll:

And to keep this on topic, just checked the TOTY, the number's are a changing....

ique
01-06-2009, 01:25 PM
Is there a reason why the member # of the head cook can't be used, to eliminate the issues that come along with team names?

That would make everything too easy

Jorge
01-06-2009, 01:32 PM
That would make everything too easy

You got me there!

YankeeBBQ
01-06-2009, 01:32 PM
That would make everything too easy


Nice Avatar. How many contests did you cook in 08 ?

Scottie
01-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Yours is OK too Steve... :icon_blush:

I couldn't really make out what was in Chris'? Was that the NEBS bling?

KC_Bobby
01-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Is there a reason why the member # of the head cook can't be used, to eliminate the issues that come along with team names?

That would make everything too easy

That assumes each team has only 1 head cook that is a member, which is not the case for us. My brother generally registers us for half of the comps and I do the other half to try to keep costs near 50% each so neither of us have to scratch checks out to each other during the season. That said, sure it would be easy for us to sign our team up under one of our name's and number regardless of who's filling out the entry and that's very logical.

But then what happens when a team gets pizzed at each other, split up and divide into multiple teams? The existing points stay with the old team name, go to the head cook ... what about if the head cook comes up with a new team name? Sounds far fetched and/or like a bunch of one offs ... but I wonder how many individuals are claiming the same points because Joe cooked with Sam under Sam's team name, but Joe cooked the entry that won.

I guess what I'm saying is that all kinds of scenerios exist that are making the task a bit more difficult then it appears.

michiana mark
01-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Wow i'm #794 out of 4380. May need to compete more next year.:-P