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Jacked UP BBQ
12-09-2008, 10:30 AM
Well we have the positives, what are the negatives?

My least favorite comp is DOVER, the reasons - weather, layout, toiltes in cooking area are disgusting, festival is lame, the cooks meeting was like putting 10 pounds of chit into a 5 pound bag, and I always loose a lot of money in the casino.

Sledneck
12-09-2008, 10:33 AM
Salisbury. Not bashing the contest. It is well run but I do not see anything special about it to make it worth the drive for 4-5 hour drive.

Dale P
12-09-2008, 10:38 AM
So far for we cant complain. I do wish all comps would have showers for teams like ours. Coed showers would be OK. We can deal with that if it helps.

BBQchef33
12-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Yardly. unless they fix the space issue. (think the contest is gone anyway).

Being packed in like tetris pieces was nuts. 10 feet between rows?? . No way to get a truck or trailer in or out of the spot without driving over your neighbor.

Having to wait until the entire orw of teams next to you leave in order to get out was more insane.

ique
12-09-2008, 11:10 AM
Salisbury. Not bashing the contest. It is well run but I do not see anything special about it to make it worth the drive for 4-5 hour drive.

It is a long ride.

They did announce 18k in prize money for this year, I think thats the biggest prize pool in the Northeast.

Also its in April when teams are chomping at the bit to play and its the only option.

Big George's BBQ
12-09-2008, 11:20 AM
I was not crazy about Yardly last year for reasons listed. I have heard it will not be there this year. I like the others including Dover. Best was New Holland- maybe because we did so well

Jeff_in_KC
12-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Grand Rapids, Michigan.

SmokeInDaEye
12-09-2008, 01:36 PM
New Hampshire Rock N Ribfest. Nothing against the contest or organizers but it was a heck of a drive for very little prize money, plus I had to carry all of my stuff in after arriving 10 minutes late.

And Grill Kings.

Bbq Bubba
12-09-2008, 02:13 PM
Anything in the North East......their just grilling comps. :twisted:




Going to my room now.

Q Haven
12-09-2008, 02:21 PM
New Hampshire Rock N Ribfest. Nothing against the contest or organizers but it was a heck of a drive for very little prize money, plus I had to carry all of my stuff in after arriving 10 minutes late.

I second this. To have a prize pool of $3K for the KCBS and NEBS grilling contests COMBINED is a complete joke for an event that draws an estimated 20K visitors and generates revenues I have heard are somewhere between $150K and $400K. Then they claim that the BBQ contest itself loses money....laughable.

They can get away with it because it is an automatic Jack qualifier and the teams will come anyway because of that.

The funniest thing is that the contest is held at the Anheuser Busch brewery, and they tell us not to bring our own beer. Not because they are giving it to the teams for free, but because they want the teams to BUY IT FROM THE HOSPITALITY TENT for $5 for a dixie cup or whatever they are charging.

Un freakin believable.

Sledneck
12-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Sayville if the weather report shows that we are going to get another monsoon:tongue::biggrin:

beam boys bbq
12-09-2008, 02:31 PM
Laurie Hillbilly BBQ (http://www.kcbs.us/events.php?year=2008&month=12&id=1495) Laurie, MO

to big and there judges are not certified

just an bad feeling the two years i did it

they cater to the home town people only every body elce is an out cast

i know an lot of teams that will not go back to this contest

york

Podge
12-09-2008, 02:52 PM
I won't go to any contest that says they have 25 teams without 25 checks in hand first !!! that pi$$es me off more than anything !!:icon_pissed:icon_pissed:icon_pissed

everything else i can deal with. If they give away decent enough money, a chance for the draw, and if i can get my trailer in and out fairly easily, I'm fine. I'm not going to complain about trash pick up, it can pile up for all i care, I have no problem paying for my ice, and if i'm in the top 10 in a catagory, please at least give me a $2 "I pottied by myself" ribbon or something !!..

Spydermike72
12-09-2008, 02:56 PM
I won't go to any contest that says they have 25 teams without 25 checks in hand first !!! that pi$$es me off more than anything !!:icon_pissed:icon_pissed:icon_pissed

everything else i can deal with. If they give away decent enough money, a chance for the draw, and if i can get my trailer in and out fairly easily, I'm fine. I'm not going to complain about trash pick up, it can pile up for all i care, I have no problem paying for my ice, and if i'm in the top 10 in a catagory, please at least give me a $2 "I pottied by myself" ribbon or something !!..

I can't argue with this!! :mrgreen:

Dale P
12-09-2008, 03:00 PM
I agree with Podge again. Its all about the bling.

bbqbull
12-09-2008, 03:01 PM
Grand Rapids, Michigan.


Jeff, things have changed for the better from what I saw last year.

Scottie
12-09-2008, 03:09 PM
Grand Rapids also brought in Merl and Carol to rep their contest. I agree, while I missed 2007, this contest has improved. It's still not cooks first, but I can live with that. I actually enjoy cooking this contest for some reason. Might be because I have my own power, water and toilet... But I enjoy the teams that are there...

backporchbbq
12-09-2008, 04:10 PM
Yardly. unless they fix the space issue. (think the contest is gone anyway).

Being packed in like tetris pieces was nuts. 10 feet between rows?? . No way to get a truck or trailer in or out of the spot without driving over your neighbor.

Having to wait until the entire orw of teams next to you leave in order to get out was more insane.

Have to agree with you Phil. Yardley was my least favorite. Even if they had it this year I probably would not go to it, if it was at the same site. Trying to get out of there was insane. And of course loosing electricity throughout the night didn't help either. I was not a huge fan of 3 day contests, killed me for that week.

The only positive is they kept the ice coming.

Jeff_in_KC
12-09-2008, 04:13 PM
Grand Rapids also brought in Merl and Carol to rep their contest. I agree, while I missed 2007, this contest has improved. It's still not cooks first, but I can live with that. I actually enjoy cooking this contest for some reason. Might be because I have my own power, water and toilet... But I enjoy the teams that are there...

I might have enjoyed it more if I'd gotten a GC and a draw to The Jack from it! :wink: But I finished tenth so sitting on crappers where the excrement level was only 5 or 6 inches below where the boys hung was a little less acceptable! :lol::lol::lol:

Rolling Smoke
12-09-2008, 04:18 PM
I won't go to any contest that says they have 25 teams without 25 checks in hand first !!! that pi$$es me off more than anything !!:icon_pissed:icon_pissed:icon_pissed

I agree and I'll bet I know at least one of them that you're talking about!

Scottie
12-09-2008, 04:25 PM
I might have enjoyed it more if I'd gotten a GC and a draw to The Jack from it! :wink: But I finished tenth so sitting on crappers where the excrement level was only 5 or 6 inches below where the boys hung was a little less acceptable! :lol::lol::lol:


So do you want to borrow my toilet? Is that what you are saying? :roll:

scottyd
12-09-2008, 04:48 PM
I think every contest is as good as you want to accept it is. most first year contests have there growing pains agreed. 2nd and older contests should have there crap together in my opinion. The contests that ribbon to 5 places (shame on you) you charge a nice fee to the cooks to come and play which is just a piece of the total pie. give them a dam ribbon that says they made it in the top ten in one of the 4 meats. Good grief is it that much to ask. In any given week the cooks pay from 500.00 to 1000.00 or more to come and play in someone's back yard and depending on the size of the contest. Most leave with a smile and empty pockets and say see ya next year. Had a great time. Or I got gas money for 50 miles anyway. But I had fun.Myself I have never been to a contest that I have not had a great time. when it is not fun anymore then it is time to quit and find a new hobby like

MilitantSquatter
12-09-2008, 08:15 PM
Yardly. unless they fix the space issue. (think the contest is gone anyway).

Being packed in like tetris pieces was nuts. 10 feet between rows?? . No way to get a truck or trailer in or out of the spot without driving over your neighbor.

Having to wait until the entire orw of teams next to you leave in order to get out was more insane.

Agreed...

What even annoyed me further was I sent an very cordial e-mail to the organizer afterward pointing out some improvement opportunities and I did not even get an acknowledgement or reply of thanks.

LindaM
12-09-2008, 08:30 PM
Chris,

I believe Norwalk, CT is $20,000 for 2009

It is a long ride.

They did announce 18k in prize money for this year, I think thats the biggest prize pool in the Northeast.

Also its in April when teams are chomping at the bit to play and its the only option.

SmokeInDaEye
12-09-2008, 08:40 PM
Chris,

I believe Norwalk, CT is $20,000 for 2009

Hmmmm. A new favorite contest.

Rolling Smoke
12-10-2008, 05:43 AM
Agreed...

What even annoyed me further was I sent an very cordial e-mail to the organizer afterward pointing out some improvement opportunities and I did not even get an acknowledgement or reply of thanks.

Vinny, that is one of the most common complaints I hear from teams regarding organizers. It burns my ass to try to contact an organizer and not get a response. It amazes me how many first year contests there are that do that. Except for a few remote areas, the days of "build it and they will come" are gone.

The only thing that burns me more is to get a bunch of excuses as to why they didn't reply. Usually it's something along the lines of being too busy and if they're too busy to reply to a voice mail or email, then what kind of service will 25+ teams get from these 'busy people' when they get onsite to cook the event?

SmokeInDaEye
12-10-2008, 07:48 AM
Vinny, that is one of the most common complaints I hear from teams regarding organizers. It burns my ass to try to contact an organizer and not get a response. It amazes me how many first year contests there are that do that. Except for a few remote areas, the days of "build it and they will come" are gone.

The only thing that burns me more is to get a bunch of excuses as to why they didn't reply. Usually it's something along the lines of being too busy and if they're too busy to reply to a voice mail or email, then what kind of service will 25+ teams get from these 'busy people' when they get onsite to cook the event?

That's what I loved about the first year contest in Monmouth County NJ this year. Aside from great trophies and cash, the organizers sent numerous followup emails afterwards to see what could be improved and even sent a gift in the mail a few weeks after the fact. That's the kind of attention to the teams that makes them want to come back again.

Rolling Smoke
12-10-2008, 08:10 AM
That's what I loved about the first year contest in Monmouth County NJ this year. Aside from great trophies and cash, the organizers sent numerous followup emails afterwards to see what could be improved and even sent a gift in the mail a few weeks after the fact. That's the kind of attention to the teams that makes them want to come back again.

I agree SIDE and that is one of the major things that causes some contests to rise above the rest. I found a new contest last year that was less than an hour from my home so I was on it like a dog on a bone. I emailed the POC two times and left one VM but failed to get a response. As it turnd out, the contest got cancelled but even if it would have happened, I wouldn't have went to it if it had been across the street from my house.

ThomEmery
12-10-2008, 08:18 AM
I have found being available on the web has cut down the number of calls and emails I need to cover. Most of the time your question has been asked by another. If it posted somewhere for all to read...........Becomes a FAQ type deal

QN
12-10-2008, 08:22 AM
...and if i can get my trailer in and out fairly easily...

Some places easier than others, right Chad?:icon_blush: Just thinking about a certain weekend in October.:biggrin: Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

Pickin' Porkers
12-10-2008, 08:22 AM
I have not been and I will probably get POUNDED for this...BUT....The Jack. I just do not understand the love for such a small prize package. Now...will we go if we get the invite?...Probably but reluctantly because of the expense to winnings ratio. Prestige is one thing but Marketing success with no serious cash to go along with the title....well.....I'll hush....LOL.

Rolling Smoke
12-10-2008, 08:30 AM
Some places easier than others, right Chad?:icon_blush: Just thinking about a certain weekend in October.:biggrin: Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

You just couldn't leave that one alone could you Mark? :grin:

Scottie
12-10-2008, 09:22 AM
I have not been and I will probably get POUNDED for this...BUT....The Jack. I just do not understand the love for such a small prize package. Now...will we go if we get the invite?...Probably but reluctantly because of the expense to winnings ratio. Prestige is one thing but Marketing success with no serious cash to go along with the title....well.....I'll hush....LOL.


I didn't lose a penny winning the Jack. I actually made money. Was it the biggest money payday of my career? Not even close. Would I give back my trophy and what it means? Not for a million dollars.

so I guess winning it is PRICELESS.... At least for me. Hopefully Podge will post his feelings too. But to judge it soley on the prize fund is not right.

While I do this hobby for the money, I do not do this for any financial gain for myself. It goes to my foundation. So I can say that about the Jack with a clear head and heart.

Scottie

Podge
12-10-2008, 09:35 AM
I have not been and I will probably get POUNDED for this...BUT....The Jack. I just do not understand the love for such a small prize package. Now...will we go if we get the invite?...Probably but reluctantly because of the expense to winnings ratio. Prestige is one thing but Marketing success with no serious cash to go along with the title....well.....I'll hush....LOL.

If the prize fund is so important to you, you need to have a little heart-to-heart with yourself to see if BBQ is really the hobby you want to stay with, I kind of doubt it.

p.s. and i agree with scottie.

Podge
12-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Some places easier than others, right Chad?:icon_blush: Just thinking about a certain weekend in October.:biggrin: Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

:icon_blush: yup !!!.. i had a brain fart, what can i say ??

You have a Merry Christmas too Mark !!

lunchlady
12-10-2008, 09:47 AM
[quote=Bbq Bubba;798067]Anything in the North East......their just grilling comps. :twisted:
quote]

Just wondering, since I can't remember ever meeting you... have you even been to a NorthEast competition?

That remark just wasn't necessary, IMO, even if it was a joke. We put just as much into these so-called 'grilling comps' as anyone else.

Come up here and play... if you think you can... S M A C K :lol:

(you all had to know I couldn't possibly let that slide...)

back on topic...

I agree with the NH Ribfest remarks. They could, and SHOULD, do more.
Will we return?... doubtful, but if we do, it's only because it is an automatic to the Jack (right now), we LOVE to compete, and all my buds are there.

Scottie
12-10-2008, 10:07 AM
I've got to admit that some of the remarks are what keep me from going to NH... Shame... I've only seen NH from the other side of the river in Vermont.. That you can't swim in anymore... :icon_shy

I also welcome others to go up to the NE. They don't bite and they usually play nice... :-?

Sledneck
12-10-2008, 10:23 AM
[quote=Bbq Bubba;798067]Anything in the North East......their just grilling comps. :twisted:
quote]

Just wondering, since I can't remember ever meeting you... have you even been to a NorthEast competition?

That remark just wasn't necessary, IMO, even if it was a joke. We put just as much into these so-called 'grilling comps' as anyone else.

Come up here and play... if you think you can... S M A C K :lol:

(you all had to know I couldn't possibly let that slide...)

back on topic...

I agree with the NH Ribfest remarks. They could, and SHOULD, do more.
Will we return?... doubtful, but if we do, it's only because it is an automatic to the Jack (right now), we LOVE to compete, and all my buds are there.
Grilling comps to me are much work than the KCBS standard 4.

Jacked UP BBQ
12-10-2008, 10:36 AM
Grilling comps cost more because you usually need higher qaulity meats and sauces. The entry fee is usually less and the prizes are usually less, but the cost overall for our team is much greater. Don't know about my BBQ, but I can grill my arse off and I am from the NE and proud of it.

Dale P
12-10-2008, 11:28 AM
OCPA I dont know if I can agree about grilling comps costing more. We can win those deals with $10 worth of salmon garnished with our soon to be famous stuffed mushrooms.:wink:

Jacked UP BBQ
12-10-2008, 11:41 AM
OCPA I dont know if I can agree about grilling comps costing more. We can win those deals with $10 worth of salmon garnished with our soon to be famous stuffed mushrooms.:wink:

would love to enter those comps. Thats only one category?
Category vs category
10 salmon mushrooms$$$ Stuffing$$$ vs. pork butt $10 rub $2 sauce $2

I am sure a usda prime dry aged steak for grilling is more than any big slab of brisket you can purchase!

Dale P
12-10-2008, 12:20 PM
Not wanting to argue with you but we "dumbazz's" bought a 9 lb brisket that cost $170.00 plus tax.
I think we are off topic. Sorry.

Jacked UP BBQ
12-10-2008, 12:51 PM
Not wanting to argue with you but we "dumbazz's" bought a 9 lb brisket that cost $170.00 plus tax.
I think we are off topic. Sorry.

I understand, I am only referencing the last two that we did and it cost us more. I bet that Brisket was good! Wayagu??? or kobe?????

Dale P
12-10-2008, 12:57 PM
Waygu and we messed that sucker up. It was good, but not good enough. To try to stay on topic, we wont be doing that again very soon. lol

Ron_L
12-10-2008, 02:01 PM
Out of the 8 that we cooked last year I can't think of any that I wouldn't go back to. My least favorite just because of the layout was probably Menomonee Falls, WI. The contest area is split in half by a fairly steep hill, so it inhibits some of the socialization since teams tended to stay on their side of the hill. Also, the majority of he spaces were supposed to be 20 x 20, but they sure felt smaller than that, and it looked to me that they had plenty of room to make them bigger. BUT... It was a good competition and has a nice payout, so we'll still go back.

Podge
12-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Waygu and we messed that sucker up. It was good, but not good enough. To try to stay on topic, we wont be doing that again very soon. lol

i think you may have heard my suggestion of using quality meat, then you took it too far !!:lol:

CaptTable
12-10-2008, 02:17 PM
Dale P,

I wish you would keep quiet about the mushrooms!!!! Everybody will be wanting them and Kathy and I may not get our share!

Damb, I wish you hadn't mentioned them. That's all I'll think about the rest of the day!

Phillip

Rolling Smoke
12-10-2008, 03:21 PM
Dale P,

I wish you would keep quiet about the mushrooms!!!! Everybody will be wanting them and Kathy and I may not get our share!

Damb, I wish you hadn't mentioned them. That's all I'll think about the rest of the day!

Phillip

I think that's what Tina is fixing for dinner tonight. :icon_devil

Jeff_in_KC
12-10-2008, 04:02 PM
So do you want to borrow my toilet? Is that what you are saying? :roll:

At that particular point in 2006, I'd have taken you up on that offer! :lol: My wife might have begged!

JayAre
12-10-2008, 05:44 PM
I think that's what Tina is fixing for dinner tonight. :icon_devil

I wish I would have read this post an hour ago, i would have stopped in for dinner!

Double D's BBQ
12-10-2008, 06:26 PM
Back on topic:

Jim Dandy's, Sharonville, OH
Paid out to top 3 only despite KCBS sanctioning
Small payouts
Still no trophy's 3 months after end of contest
Organizer will not respond to emails

Avoid this contest like the plague!:mad:

Dale P
12-10-2008, 06:27 PM
Hey Podge you told me to try high quality meat but you forgot to tell me not to over cook it.
Now i am craving them mushrooms.

Rolling Smoke
12-10-2008, 07:06 PM
I wish I would have read this post an hour ago, i would have stopped in for dinner!

We're having them again Friday

Smoky River BBQ
12-10-2008, 07:23 PM
We're having them again Friday

I get off work at 4:00 on Friday. Is that soon enough for supper??? :grin:

C Rocke
12-10-2008, 08:05 PM
Seems the few I've been to have been long on promises and short on performance. Too much "trust me" and "don't worry". I come from a background of "don't say it, write it" and am used to getting everything spelled out up front - The who, what, when, where, why. I would be hard pressed to enter any more contests that don't have all the i's dotted and t's crossed prior to the application publication. My $.02

Bentley
12-10-2008, 08:27 PM
Best Dam BBQ-Boulder City, NV

Well run, great organizers, beautiful location, treated great!

Farken have a BBQ contest in the NV desert at the end of May! Over 100* and you are cooking on asphalt! Thrown me a bone, have it in November or March...Sorry, just not 19 anymore!

White Dog BBQ
12-10-2008, 10:05 PM
Yardly. unless they fix the space issue. (think the contest is gone anyway).

Being packed in like tetris pieces was nuts. 10 feet between rows?? . No way to get a truck or trailer in or out of the spot without driving over your neighbor.

Having to wait until the entire orw of teams next to you leave in order to get out was more insane.


The real shame with Yardley is that the first year it was held in that location, the setup was much more conventional, and it was easy to get in and out. This year's setup was dictated by the property owner, who wanted things reconfigured to handle the other attractions they brought in.

I really can't complain, as we were some of the lucky few who were set up over next to where the backyard competitors were, but I feel for you guys caught in the refugee camp.

Regardless, the Farm decided they didn't want to do another contest, so the organizer is looking for a new site in the Bucks County, PA area.

Back to topic -- the contest I want to avoid is Hudson Valley Ribfest. Don't get me wrong -- beautiful site, great organization, wonderful crowds -- but we went into that contest getting calls and doing well in our previous 2, got slammed at Hudson and have been in a funk ever since. I blame being around all the NEBS guys. :-)

The Pigman
12-10-2008, 10:20 PM
I agree with you Dallas........It is my hometown, what a shame they only put it on to promote resturant. I will never go back.



Back on topic:

Jim Dandy's, Sharonville, OH
Paid out to top 3 only despite KCBS sanctioning
Small payouts
Still no trophy's 3 months after end of contest
Organizer will not respond to emails

Avoid this contest like the plague!:mad:

Rolling Smoke
12-11-2008, 05:18 AM
I get off work at 4:00 on Friday. Is that soon enough for supper??? :grin:

That'll work Roger! Come on over.

To get back on topic, this thread is getting a lot of attention and while I'm sure it wasn't the intention of OCPA when he started it, but a thread like this can turn in to a real firestorm in the blink of an eye. As a cook, I know what I like and dislike about contests and I also know which ones I wouldn't go back to if they promised me a GC and an auto to the Jack. Since I have been involved in the organizational side of things, I have became even more critical of how contests are being ran. An organizer asked me for my critique last year after a poorly executed event and when I gave it to him, he got pissed and walked away. Based on what I'm seeing this year, he is up to the same old tricks and unless things change, I will not be back. I won't mention any names as I don't think this contest will last much longer, at least not as a sanctioned event. The biggest mistakes the organizer made was counting teams before he got their money and squandering the payout. I think he paid back 60% of total entry fees. Before some of you that know me start thinking you know which one this was, I will say the contest was in April and south of the Ohio River.

The more constructive the criticism can be, the more likely the organizer will be to take heed. Even then some won't listen but at least you know you have done all you can to try to change the self destructive path they're on.