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Jacked UP BBQ
10-20-2008, 06:37 PM
The Kcbs worries about our three sink set up, but what about the porta potties all over the place and nowhere to wash your hands. What about all of the people finger farking the food before it goes into the containers. My only real complaint is for the health of the judges, there should be mandatory hand washing sinks all over the place, especially by the poopers. I watched so many people walk out of the bathroom and go right back to putting the parsley in the box that was aboout to have the ribs laid on so the judge can taste. Maybe that's why I suck! I should wipe my arse with my hand and give the ribs a nice glaze. Let's stop worrying about presentation and teach the KCBS some sanitation. I know I am going to get that is up to the organizers, maybe it shouldn't be. They should make that a rule. HAND WASHING SINKS!!!!!!!:icon_sick:icon_sick

bbqbull
10-20-2008, 06:45 PM
Great point.
Some porta potty companies have hand santizers installed in them.
But watching a show on CBS This Morning? their on staff doctor said that those alcohol based hand cleaners kill everything on you hands except E-Coli.
That dr. also said thats why E-Coli is being spread around the hospitals to patients.
Good old fashioned hot soapy water is the only way to kill E-Coli.
I was missinformed before watching that segment on tv.

eagle697
10-20-2008, 06:46 PM
I thought that was a rule. I mainly cook FBA but i thought i remember the reading before KCBS saying you had to follow all local and state regulations concerning food safety. (Although, that gets ignored about other things like food temp all the time, but thats a different thread for another time) I agree that people should have to wash their hands, we have a water bag or jug with a spigot that someone can turn on so you can wash your hands. People also need to realize that hand sanitizer is not an acceptable substitute for soap and water. My wife is a local health inspector and she reminds me of all this quite frequently:icon_blush:. I am glad that she is there at comps, as she forces us to have some semblance of sanitation.

At Smoke on The Water in GA this year, they actually had hand washing stations with soap next to the potty's. I thought that was kind of cool, even though it was only room temp water, better than nothing. That is the only time i have seen that though.

Forney
10-20-2008, 06:56 PM
Great point.
those alcohol based hand cleaners kill everything on you hands except E-Coli.


That's true about E-Coli and hand sanitizers. They also don't kill C-Diff, VRE, and MRSA...

Tinybud
10-20-2008, 07:01 PM
I agree a hand washing station should be located wherever there are portapots,,, but for whatever reason if there isn't one,,,, and you are a competitor, you should have a sufficent way to wash your hands at your site before you continue doing anything else. This past weekend we had a camper to use at dover. But normally I have a 3 burner camp chef setup with 6inch deep pans we use for a wash station so we have hot water to use. Its just a habit for me,, use the restroom,, wash the hands.

Sledneck
10-20-2008, 07:41 PM
cooks should be wearing gloves when handling turn in meats

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
10-20-2008, 07:42 PM
:roll:I agree a hand washing station should be located wherever there are portapots,,, but for whatever reason if there isn't one,,,, and you are a competitor, you should have a sufficent way to wash your hands at your site before you continue doing anything else. This past weekend we had a camper to use at dover. But normally I have a 3 burner camp chef setup with 6inch deep pans we use for a wash station so we have hot water to use. Its just a habit for me,, use the restroom,, wash the hands.


I always have a way to wash my hands in camp, so I agree that you/we as a competitor need to make sure we have facilities. not only do I wash my hands but I wear gloves ( almost a box of 100 per comp). I actually eat some of what I turn in.:roll:

Ford
10-20-2008, 07:44 PM
How about always using gloves when handling food. Raw or cooked it doesn't matter. When you open the cryovac gloves are on, when you put the meat in the box gloves are on.

I do agree that organizers should be asked to provide hand wash stations at the Porta Potty's but it is the responsibility of the team to use common sense and washing hands after using the bathroom is a must. But teams should plan for this.

And if you think you saw bad, try the Royal at 3-5 am when people stagger out of their RV scratching their ***** and then go right to the pit and reach in and push stuff around. Or stagger out, light cigarette, scratch and then open the pit and lean over with the ashes falling. And it's not jsut the Royal but at every contest.

People ask me why I don't go to more contests just to judge.

BBQchef33
10-20-2008, 07:48 PM
cooks should be wearing gloves when handling turn in meats

exactly...

I wont touch ANYTHING thats someones gonna eat without gloves on. Even recreational food.


I thought handwash stations were the law when u rent porta potties. Most of The contests I was at this year had handwash stations next to the porta-pottys... we have 4 set up for sayville, one in each corner and next to the PP's.

BBQ Grail
10-20-2008, 07:57 PM
Look it's a BBQ competition,isn't it?

If something should go wrong it's the judges fault.

bbqbull
10-20-2008, 07:59 PM
exactly...

I wont touch ANYTHING thats someones gonna eat without gloves on. Even recreational food.


I thought handwash stations were the law when u rent porta potties. Most of The contests I was at this year had handwash stations next to the porta-pottys... we have 4 set up for sayville, one in each corner and next to the PP's.

We go though a box and a half of gloves at a comp, maybe 2 boxes, for a team of 2 guys.
Can you rent those hand washing stations?
Trying to help organize a comp and this info is vital for our sucess.

The Pigman
10-20-2008, 08:09 PM
We go though a box and a half of gloves at a comp, maybe 2 boxes, for a team of 2 guys.
Can you rent those hand washing stations?
Trying to help organize a comp and this info is vital for our sucess.

All port a potty companys have the wash stations which set up next to the pottys. You pay more but it is nice to have. I agree With the gloves i go thru alot of gloves at a comp. and i am one the dont touch 2 items with same glove.

Ford
10-20-2008, 08:10 PM
We go though a box and a half of gloves at a comp, maybe 2 boxes, for a team of 2 guys.
Can you rent those hand washing stations?
Trying to help organize a comp and this info is vital for our sucess.
You sure can just call the local guy and ask. And you also have the building that hopefully we can use. When you get around to calling some of us volunteer helpers to a meeting we can give you all kinds of tips on stuff like this. I pulled a bunch of info together for the guys in Cedar Springs when they thought they were going to try to do one this year.

Big Tom
10-20-2008, 08:17 PM
How about always using gloves when handling food. Raw or cooked it doesn't matter. When you open the cryovac gloves are on, when you put the meat in the box gloves are on.


Hopefully not the same pair of gloves :shock: :wink:

Rub
10-20-2008, 08:19 PM
From what I see, it seems the regular teams probably have better sanitation and food handling practices than many restaurants. Gloves are a requirement in the FBA. It's usually the one-or-two-times-a-year teams that I see doing the stuff that makes you gag. Of course there are always exceptions. But those porta-potty wash stations should be mandatory (I think they cost about the same as a pp), and then the person should re-wash with real soap when they get back to their site.

Ford
10-20-2008, 08:28 PM
Hopefully not the same pair of gloves :shock: :wink:
Don't like latex with my cigar so I wash hands after using gloves before handling good cigars. I cook solo and use most of a box at a contest. No smoking allowed in the trailer so cigar has to stay outside. Gloves on, do whatever I need to do then gloves in trash and quick rinse and back to the cigar.

Butts-n-gutts
10-20-2008, 08:36 PM
I use a 5 gallon Cambro "coffee dispenser" for handwashing in the site. you can lock open the spigot and then shut it with your elbow. I also use gloves anytime that I am touching anything that will touch food, usually double glove, I put the more expensive nitrile glove on then the creapo gloves over those so that I can change them out several times while keeping the other gloves clean. When I head over to the Porta pot's I put on a pair of the cheapos before going in, those places scare me, never know when the last time was that someone knocked it over on someone and what has been spilled all over the inside. remove and throw the gloves away as soon as you let go of the door on the outside again. Then wash up again when you get back to the site.

eagle697
10-20-2008, 08:41 PM
I hope people realize that wearing gloves is not a substitute for washing hands. TOo often people act like their hands are impervious to germs just because they have gloves on. They will touch all kinds of things; coolers, beer, cigarette, scratch themselves, fix hat, etc, and not think twice about it before they touch food. People should realize that even if they are careful about what they touch while wearing gloves, they still need to wash their hands with soap every time before they put the gloves on, as failure to do so can result in a perfect breeding ground for bacteria under the gloves, and if you nick your gloves, the bacteria will spew onto your food. I never thought about this until my wife pointed it out. The biggest food handling problem i see at comps is not washing hands and failure to keep/get food to safe temps.

Butts-n-gutts
10-20-2008, 09:06 PM
The gloves do not replace washing hands, I wash my hands before putting gloves on and as soon as I take them off. I change gloves everytime I work with a new meat. at the last comp I went through a box of 100 gloves and the only thing we cooked was butts.
That place had normal wash rooms open all night, no porta potty, Did not think of it at the time but that made it nicer than the other comps.

Tinybud
10-20-2008, 09:29 PM
I've gotten into the habit of place gloves on my rub bottles, so when I'm prepping something I don't have to worry about picking up the bottle and contaminating it. When done prepping, gloves off, hands washed, and everything I used gets washed right away,,, peel glove off rub bottles, give a quick wipe down with a clorox wipe.. all is good and clean. We probably go through a box and half of gloves per comp, plus I keep several boxes in with my catering stuff. I've found the slightly powered gloves go on easier right after washing hands.

bbqbull
10-20-2008, 09:33 PM
You sure can just call the local guy and ask. And you also have the building that hopefully we can use. When you get around to calling some of us volunteer helpers to a meeting we can give you all kinds of tips on stuff like this. I pulled a bunch of info together for the guys in Cedar Springs when they thought they were going to try to do one this year.

Thanks for the offer Ford, will get back to you very soon!

Rolling Smoke
10-21-2008, 07:23 AM
I hope people realize that wearing gloves is not a substitute for washing hands. TOo often people act like their hands are impervious to germs just because they have gloves on. They will touch all kinds of things; coolers, beer, cigarette, scratch themselves, fix hat, etc, and not think twice about it before they touch food. People should realize that even if they are careful about what they touch while wearing gloves, they still need to wash their hands with soap every time before they put the gloves on, as failure to do so can result in a perfect breeding ground for bacteria under the gloves, and if you nick your gloves, the bacteria will spew onto your food. I never thought about this until my wife pointed it out. The biggest food handling problem i see at comps is not washing hands and failure to keep/get food to safe temps.

That's a good point but the biggest misconception I have seen is from people who wear gloves while handling food just to keep their hands clean. I recently watched a food vendor at a festival don a pair of gloves to prepare a sandwich for a customer, take the customers money, give them their change then start prepping another sandwich for another customer, all with the same pair of gloves!

Jacked UP BBQ
10-21-2008, 07:49 AM
Gloves are the biggest false sense of sanitation. THey gloves are only as clean as the person wearing them. If your dirty hands grabbed the gloves to put them on, you might as well as handled the food with no gloves.

ique
10-21-2008, 08:50 AM
cooks should be wearing gloves when handling turn in meats

Thats true, but you can still pick your nose with gloves on. Or accidentally pick up a board that is contaminated from raw prep the night before.

Podge
10-21-2008, 09:06 AM
I wash my hands in my trailer and i use gloves.. Why ? Because not only do judges eat that food, but so does me and my family. I use the best means to my ability for sanitation. I clean knives, etc with soap and hot water, use disposable cutting boards (best invention i know of) and clean the table with Clorox clean-up between meat preps.

I'd say that's the #1 reason why i don't judge. Sanitary habits of others.

Podge
10-21-2008, 09:09 AM
I've gotten into the habit of place gloves on my rub bottles, so when I'm prepping something I don't have to worry about picking up the bottle and contaminating it. When done prepping, gloves off, hands washed, and everything I used gets washed right away,,, peel glove off rub bottles, give a quick wipe down with a clorox wipe.. all is good and clean. We probably go through a box and half of gloves per comp, plus I keep several boxes in with my catering stuff. I've found the slightly powered gloves go on easier right after washing hands.

that's a good idea !!!.. I usually take off the glove the hand that touches the rub bottle. I'm careful to not touch meat, and only the rub when doing this. it's a pain in the arse, but it's gotten to the point it's second nature and systematically.

Sledneck
10-21-2008, 09:13 AM
If I wear my bubble boy suit will it melt t and get stuck to the cooker if I get to close? I hate scraping melted plastic off my cookers.

Jacked UP BBQ
10-21-2008, 09:25 AM
http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/photo/50280529/Protective_Fire_Fighting_Suit.jpg

you can always borrow my suit if yours melts

Roo-B-Q'N
10-21-2008, 01:29 PM
The porta potty handwashing stations around here do not dispense warm water, therefore making them as useless as the sanitation dispenser inside the porta potty. I would imagine that the increased cost of the handwashing stations could be added into the contest fees along with everything else that gets added in. Sorry for the pun but chit rolls down hill brothers.

Marsha
10-21-2008, 01:43 PM
From what I see, it seems the regular teams probably have better sanitation and food handling practices than many restaurants. Gloves are a requirement in the FBA. It's usually the one-or-two-times-a-year teams that I see doing the stuff that makes you gag. Of course there are always exceptions. But those porta-potty wash stations should be mandatory (I think they cost about the same as a pp), and then the person should re-wash with real soap when they get back to their site.

That is exactly what I do, whether vending, catering or competing. I come out of the porta-potty, wash my hands, then head back to our rig and use our own hand wash station, too. And then I still put on gloves to handle food. My biggest complaint is that at big events the porta-potty hand wash stations usually run out of water pretty quick. I am not a clean freak by any means, but I do know that just one sick person could ruin us. Plus, I use the alcohol based sanitizers regularly when handling money at the cash register when folks are ordering. I got a lot of colds the first year we were vending and I was handling the money. Wash! Wash! Wash! Wash those hands!

Divemaster
10-22-2008, 01:20 PM
My biggest complaint is that at big events the porta-potty hand wash stations usually run out of water pretty quick.
That's my biggest problem with them... The water may be cool, but it's a start (if there is any)....

Scottie
10-22-2008, 01:31 PM
Or how about the one from last weekend. It looked like someone lost their cookies in the wash sink... I didn't wash my hands and I went back to my RV and washed them...