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Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 07:20 AM
My wife and I have already scheduled our second and third comp (yes we've been bitten by the bug). Since this is all we talk about; lots of family, friends and co-workers have asked to help us at the next comp. This is the entire reason I got involved with comp Q-ing to have fun with family and friends and to meet new friends. My question is: How do you entertain friends and family by letting them help at comps without giving away all your techniques and "SECRETS"? My wife and I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars buying stuff. We've spent countless days practicing and honing our sauces, rubs, and marinades. FIRST of all...I'm a big mouth; I normally tell everything! But in this case, I feel like I've got a lot of time, effort and money involved. I don't thinks its right to just give everything away. Don't get me wrong, I help people all the time with Q-ing and I'm more than happy to give anyone basic starting points to build their OWN products and techniques. Secondly, tell me if I'm wrong and being too serious about this whole thing! What would you do? Thanks!

Podge
08-28-2008, 07:35 AM
First off, i think your line of thinking is on the right track. Secondly, I've come to learn that 95% of family and freinds are all talk and no action. Personally, I think all you need is you and another set of hands and that's it really. If your wife helps a lot with the prep, etc.. well, lucky you !!!:wink:... if you still have freinds that want to come and help, have them come around 12:30 or so and after it's over, they can help clean up.

If too many chefs spoil the broth, then too many drunk freinds spoil your chances of winning. So, which is more important ? If you want to win, minimize the people, if you want to party, invite everyone that wants to come. But please park away from me, i want to sleep. :-D

Jacked UP BBQ
08-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Its nice to have people around to help out and party with, but it can get annoying when it comes time to cook. We usually tell everyone they can come hang out and when its time to rock they can sit on the outside of the tent. If you are not comfortable with telling them you do not want them there, tell them that they are not listed on the team and you are worried about getting dq'ed. I know its a lie but it works. Let them run your boxes for you also, it gives you more time to work on your next turn in. As far as your recipes go, you dont have to give them to them in writing, they can watch, but as long as they don't write down everything they will never remember. Good luck!

Alexa RnQ
08-28-2008, 08:06 AM
What's "too serious"?

You need to decide why you're there. In the early days, it might be more about socializing. But if you continue competing, you're pretty much going to come to the conclusion that since it costs about a thousand dollars to roll out, you'd better stay focused on what you're doing. We took a decision that we're there to win, and that comes first. Vending, playing with groupies -- all that comes after the main objective.

Unless you've got some wacky proprietary technique, I wouldn't worry much about people seeing what you're doing. I've seen people watch a step-by-step demo and not be able to replicate the process, even when taking notes. And nobody is going to have your flavor package -- even if they taste the goods, very few people can accurately reverse-engineer flavor.

Podge has got the best point of all, though -- once F&F find out that "helping" means exactly that, including panwashing, packing and hauling, you'll find the interest drops off sharply. Most of our groupies now like to cameo just after turn-ins, to help by disposing of leftovers.

Dale P
08-28-2008, 08:31 AM
The last comp we did turned out to be a pain. We had 2 guys come who were friends of my nephew. It is fair to say I like them both but too much drinking and not giving a damn gets in the way. Made me want to quit.

One guy was fine, and now he is going to start a team. Thats great, good luck to him because he is OK, even when drunk. I really dont think they paid attention, so not many secrets were given. The other guy is really a good guy when sober. Nuff said. Anyhow we had trouble on Friday night due to them drinking a half gallon of vodka in 30 minutes and they were already drunk before that.. Matt & I tried to get them to behave and I was threatened. I am the party pooper. If it wasnt for the chance of getting DQed, it would have been a war. Never again. I know that these guys are going to read this but I havent typed anything that wasnt true. I was there to win, they were there to party. 10 different brands of beer, and a huge bottle of booze can make the best of people act like fools. Am I perfect? Not a chance but I have more money and time invested than anyone on the team, and now I am going to either have fun again or quit.


Keep that in mind when you invite friends.
Rant over......

Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 08:50 AM
What's "too serious"?

You need to decide why you're there. In the early days, it might be more about socializing. But if you continue competing, you're pretty much going to come to the conclusion that since it costs about a thousand dollars to roll out, you'd better stay focused on what you're doing. We took a decision that we're there to win, and that comes first. Vending, playing with groupies -- all that comes after the main objective.
Unless you've got some wacky proprietary technique, I wouldn't worry much about people seeing what you're doing. I've seen people watch a step-by-step demo and not be able to replicate the process, even when taking notes. And nobody is going to have your flavor package -- even if they taste the goods, very few people can accurately reverse-engineer flavor.
Podge has got the best point of all, though -- once F&F find out that "helping" means exactly that, including panwashing, packing and hauling, you'll find the interest drops off sharply. Most of our groupies now like to cameo just after turn-ins, to help by disposing of leftovers.

Thats how I feel about it. Lots of time and money invested. Not too worried about the drinking and partying (most of my family and friends are pretty tame). At our first comp I felt a little awkward doing things in front of everybody (kinda like "all eyes were on me"). I felt kind of selfish about my techniques, etc.

U2CANQUE
08-28-2008, 09:17 AM
Minus those Thursday evening festivals, barber shop quartet comes to mind for some reason. You have the foundation, with you wife, and after some folks see that the excitement is a lot of set up, running, need this/need that, clean up, and tear down they will come to appreciate the "sampling"....and, I always like to see the teams that have their cheering section when they have a box leave the site.

Dale, was there, and kind of saw some of the Friday evening events when hitting the porta. Sorry that you had that bad of an experience...I didnt come over to bs that night just because it did look like more of the party tent...hard lesson learned, and hope that you can find that fun again......

Podge
08-28-2008, 09:24 AM
The last comp we did turned out to be a pain. We had 2 guys come who were friends of my nephew. It is fair to say I like them both but too much drinking and not giving a damn gets in the way. Made me want to quit.

One guy was fine, and now he is going to start a team. Thats great, good luck to him because he is OK, even when drunk. I really dont think they paid attention, so not many secrets were given. The other guy is really a good guy when sober. Nuff said. Anyhow we had trouble on Friday night due to them drinking a half gallon of vodka in 30 minutes and they were already drunk before that.. Matt & I tried to get them to behave and I was threatened. I am the party pooper. If it wasnt for the chance of getting DQed, it would have been a war. Never again. I know that these guys are going to read this but I havent typed anything that wasnt true. I was there to win, they were there to party. 10 different brands of beer, and a huge bottle of booze can make the best of people act like fools. Am I perfect? Not a chance but I have more money and time invested than anyone on the team, and now I am going to either have fun again or quit.


Keep that in mind when you invite friends.
Rant over......

I didn't know you had all that going on... The biggest thing i hate about people visiting that don't know what bbqqcompetition is about, is that they just think it's nothing more than a neighborhood backyard cook out party, just in a different location. They sound clueless to what bbq competition is about and totally disrespectful to you all.

We can have fun, but there is definitely a limit to it.

Scottie
08-28-2008, 09:37 AM
We can have fun, but there is definitely a limit to it.


No such thing as too much fun.... I must admit... We make nice book ends... 8-)

BBQchef33
08-28-2008, 09:42 AM
as far as giving away secrets.. forget it.. Until they master the way YOU cook, they cant duplicate your product. If your worried about your ingriedents, then put them in unmarked containers with your own code on them.

As far as the guests go. IMO, a perfect count for a team is 4-5. Beyond that, they are guests. Extra hands are always good for taking out trash, running errands, etc.. but even then, guests stay on the OTHER side of the rope. If you use ez-ups.. use 2. One is for prep, one is the 'seating area'. A simple partition is usually all it takes. if you have a few extra people, tel them they are in charge of crowd control and keeping people out of the prep area(them included).

As far as boozin it up.. cant comment.. last contest.. we had 6 beers in the fridge and they werent ours. We will drink a bottle of Cabo over the course of the weekend, but its just to take the edge off things.. i dont think I ever cooked when my team was hammered. We are there to compete, and speaking only for myself.. i cant even speak when toasted.. never mind handle sharp objects.

BBQchef33
08-28-2008, 09:44 AM
hot damn.. she looks like a cardboard cutout in front of that motley crew.

:)

Sidw
08-28-2008, 09:46 AM
I agree with all of the above. A lot of F&Fs think a que comp is just another excuse to party all night. We spend too much time & money to let others mess things up. We for the most part do not invite people to join us, if so we ask them to come after turn-ins or explain our expectations upfront. We like to party on Thursday night & Saturday afternoons, but we know why we are there on Friday & Saturday till it is over.

I would not worry about people watching what you are doing. I have watched, taken classes and read, read read & read more. You still have to be able put the whole package together and that is not that easily learned about just watching.

Scottie
08-28-2008, 09:50 AM
We just have that way with the ladies Poobah... Now if you want Motley Crew... I would submit this one. What you can't see is the line of women following us... Bad camera angle...

Brew-B-Q
08-28-2008, 09:53 AM
after some folks see that the excitement is a lot of set up, running, need this/need that, clean up, and tear down they will come to appreciate the "sampling"

I agree. My first comp had 4 team members. Down to me and one other right now. A full weekend of working helps determine who really wants to cook and do well. We have our share of fun, don't get me wrong. But it can't get to the point where the food suffers. If everyone wants to get hammered and eat bbq, we can do that at my house for several hundred dollars less.

Podge
08-28-2008, 09:55 AM
Studly group of guys i must say. the site admin. might take it off as it is porn and eye candy for womens.

Scottie
08-28-2008, 10:04 AM
More than likely Podge. I am figuring that a lot of new hot ladies will want to hang out here now... :oops: So I apologize for that. Bad enough they follow us around at contests...

Alexa RnQ
08-28-2008, 10:07 AM
It's the Crocs. Girls will do anything for a man in Crocs.

BBQchef33
08-28-2008, 10:09 AM
uh..

yeah....

ok...





someone smack scottie to wake him up. i think hes in R.E.M.

Jorge
08-28-2008, 10:09 AM
More than likely Podge. I am figuring that a lot of new hot ladies will want to hang out here now... :oops: So I apologize for that. Bad enough they follow us around at contests...

Damn good thing a got a new pair of waders at Cabela's yesterday:!:

How slow was the golf cart with the photographer and case of Gentleman Jack moving?:-P

Scottie
08-28-2008, 10:11 AM
I am clicking my heals too... there's no place like home, there's no place like home...

I will say, the Jack was fun last year witht he entire A-Team there. Might never be the same. The A-Team from Australia wanted to rumble with us I think on Thursday night up on the hill. then they realized that we had a harem... they became out friends...

Sledneck
08-28-2008, 10:19 AM
Thats how I feel about it. Lots of time and money invested. Not too worried about the drinking and partying (most of my family and friends are pretty tame). At our first comp I felt a little awkward doing things in front of everybody (kinda like "all eyes were on me"). I felt kind of selfish about my techniques, etc.Hmmm sounds like you and Brendan from transformer would get along just fine:rolleyes::biggrin:

Double D's BBQ
08-28-2008, 10:21 AM
A few different things come to mind when I see that picture..............The Thundering Herd......................and the movie Earthquake! and the beginning of The Monkees Theme Song....................
Here They Come
Walking Down The Street
They Get The Funniest Looks From
Everyone One They Meet!:-D

Great picture Scottie!

Podge
08-28-2008, 10:37 AM
I guess another thing (to get this thread back on the subject) is to not do contests within 100 miles of home. that seems to be the majic number for me as far as non-BBQers coming. A lot can be said about just being around fellow BBQ'ers who truely understand what all needs to happen and what all goes on. You can see your F&F anytime, but your BBQ buds, you don't get to see much. Also, with you all being really new at this, you're better off too to have your F&F stay at home, so you'll have more time to mingle and make more new freinds that are associated with BBQ. You'll get to the point to where whatever contest you go to, you'll always have somebody you know competing there. That's a big part of the fun. Also, you can't pick up some good tips without mingling.

lunchlady
08-28-2008, 10:38 AM
I think the single biggest thing is to let your teammates know what you (as pitboss) expect from them. We have ten different beers and a copious amount of booze on hand for every event, but we 'meats' know what we each are supposed to be doing, and we do it, regardless of sleep deprivation and hangovers.

Guests are great, but even our young kids know that they need to get the hell outta the EZ-UPs between 11:30 and 2. So TELL yer guests what you expect as well.

I understand some people's need for privacy, and lately I kinda feel as if there has been some shigging going on at our site, but I don't normally worry that someone else is going to duplicate what we do. Good luck to those trying.

My humble opinion is that you may be too worried about the super secret part of it.
Try to have fun, that is the point... along with winning, of course. The money that you put out to compete should give you the courage to 'chat' with everyone.

Best of luck and I hope we see you out there!
p.s. we are NOT the ones sleeping....

Scottie
08-28-2008, 10:57 AM
Sounds like you guys might need some shigging cups...


Will trade shiggin cups for NEBS t-shirt...

YankeeBBQ
08-28-2008, 11:00 AM
If they're "Friends and Family" why would you want to keep secrets from them ? Sometimes having too many people can get a little hectic but another shot of Patron usually takes care of the problem. I enjoy having people around, hanging out and having a good time. If that was not part of the whole comp scene then I probably wouldn't bother. Lighten up people.

ique
08-28-2008, 11:04 AM
I understand some people's need for privacy, and lately I kinda feel as if there has been some shigging going on at our site,

Damn, I got busted. Lunchmeat was right behind me at New Paltz and I couldn't help but sneak a peak or two. :icon_blush:

To the original question, no I don't worry about my guests stealing any secrets. I do get pissed when they don't help cleanup tho!

Transformer BBQ
08-28-2008, 11:04 AM
Hmmm sounds like you and Brendan from transformer would get along just fine:rolleyes::biggrin:

hahaha... hey, I paid for the sides to my tent, I just want to use them.

Double D's BBQ
08-28-2008, 11:04 AM
There is a time and a place for everything. We welcome all friends and family as well but need to be focused during the fastest ninety minutes at the comp (from 12 to 1:30) after that and the day before let the good times roll!:-D

YankeeBBQ
08-28-2008, 11:05 AM
Thats how I feel about it. Lots of time and money invested. Not too worried about the drinking and partying (most of my family and friends are pretty tame). At our first comp I felt a little awkward doing things in front of everybody (kinda like "all eyes were on me"). I felt kind of selfish about my techniques, etc.

Did you win the comp and take first place in all 4 categories ? If not then probably by the time you do your third or 4th comp those won't be your recipes and techniques anyway LOL :biggrin:

The Pickled Pig
08-28-2008, 11:06 AM
My wife and I have already scheduled our second and third comp (yes we've been bitten by the bug). Since this is all we talk about; lots of family, friends and co-workers have asked to help us at the next comp. This is the entire reason I got involved with comp Q-ing to have fun with family and friends and to meet new friends. My question is: How do you entertain friends and family by letting them help at comps without giving away all your techniques and "SECRETS"? My wife and I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars buying stuff. We've spent countless days practicing and honing our sauces, rubs, and marinades. FIRST of all...I'm a big mouth; I normally tell everything! But in this case, I feel like I've got a lot of time, effort and money involved. I don't thinks its right to just give everything away. Don't get me wrong, I help people all the time with Q-ing and I'm more than happy to give anyone basic starting points to build their OWN products and techniques. Secondly, tell me if I'm wrong and being too serious about this whole thing! What would you do? Thanks!


I think at this stage of your competition career you should spend your time and energy getting as many tips and tricks from winning teams rather than trying to protect the secrecy of what you're doing.

Unless you have something that is a proven competitive advantage or are some how monetizing your efforts, why be so secretive?

Transformer BBQ
08-28-2008, 11:14 AM
I started putting the sides up during my first contests... and it wasn't to keep secrets. I got spotted next to a couple heavy hitters and I put the sides up so they wouldn't see what I was doing. And by that... I didn't want the vet's to be sitting in their chairs with some cocktails saying "watch, watch... look what he's doing... hahaha... he just messed that up... hahaha... bet he gets last.... hahaha... whoa! that rub on pork? hahaha... "

Now I do it because of habit, and I got sick of rain coming though and having to scramble... and because of the chit I get because my wife trims brisket...

YankeeBBQ
08-28-2008, 11:18 AM
I started putting the sides up during my first contests... and it wasn't to keep secrets. I got spotted next to a couple heavy hitters and I put the sides up so they wouldn't see what I was doing. And by that... I didn't want the vet's to be sitting in their chairs with some cocktails saying "watch, watch... look what he's doing... hahaha... he just messed that up... hahaha... bet he gets last.... hahaha... whoa! that rub on pork? hahaha... "

Now I do it because of habit, and I got sick of rain coming though and having to scramble... and because of the chit I get because my wife trims brisket...

Just because we made fun of your tv set ?

Scottie
08-28-2008, 11:20 AM
I just couldn't even imagine ISS harrassing someone... As that team is usually so tight, they are wound up like a rubber band... They make me nervous they are so tight...

Transformer BBQ
08-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Just because we made fun of your tv set ?


Hypothetically...

(I also said heavy hitters, please refer to Barry's list for possible choices)

Dale P
08-28-2008, 11:52 AM
[quote=Podge;723172]I didn't know you had all that going on... The biggest thing i hate about people visiting that don't know what bbqqcompetition is about, is that they just think it's nothing more than a neighborhood backyard cook out party

I never really knew just how old I am really getting until after that night.
Cross eyed they were! Ive been there before, but them days are over. Its hard to have your game face on when you are afraid someone is going to cause you a problem.
They really didnt hurt anything except maybe their livers.

By the morning everyone was back to normal. They slept it off, while I stayed up all night mad at the world guarding the cooker.:razz:
All shook hands and tried to forget about it.

I wont forget this lesson, I can forgive but I wont forget it.

Solidkick
08-28-2008, 12:29 PM
F&F on friday..we generally tell to show up after 4PM....most everything important is done by then, may have chicken left to prep.....but sometimes don't do that until around 10PM

Saturday is game day.....sometimes they just pop in on you...I remember a contest last year where we're having to swerve in and out of them to get something done....that was nerve racking.....ask them to show up after 1:30.....they can help pack up! :)

Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 12:51 PM
I think at this stage of your competition career you should spend your time and energy getting as many tips and tricks from winning teams rather than trying to protect the secrecy of what you're doing.
Unless you have something that is a proven competitive advantage or are some how monetizing your efforts, why be so secretive?

I agree. I enjoy talking to other teams and getting great information (such as this website) but I would never ask for your recipes, etc. NOW if your willing to give them to me I'd be happy to listen:-D. I hope that I didn't come across wrong.....I really enjoy helping people and yes, we did pretty good our first time out, but I was only wondering how far everyone else goes to protect their work.

jiarby
08-28-2008, 02:01 PM
I almost stabbed a kid in the eyeball with a 12" Chef knife when they were playing tag or something and decided to cut right through my camp exactly at turnin time. My wife asked me where something was, so I spun around and started pointing at it while holding my knife at the exact moment some dumb a$$ 11yo kid decided to run into my tent because some girls were chasing him. He (and his parents) have no idea how close he came to being blind or dead. seriously.

I think you can tell your family and friends all you want to... they still have to DO THE WORK. They wont. I always hear "My sister makes the best BBQ... she takes country style ribs and a bottle of bbq sauce and slow cooks it in here crock pot..." or "My mom boils the ribs first to make them tender". You can't help those type of people.

Your friends and family are there because they want to score some good eats.... not your "secrets".

Podge
08-28-2008, 02:14 PM
I almost stabbed a kid in the eyeball with a 12" Chef knife when they were playing tag or something and decided to cut right through my camp exactly at turnin time. My wife asked me where something was, so I spun around and started pointing at it while holding my knife at the exact moment some dumb a$$ 11yo kid decided to run into my tent because some girls were chasing him. He (and his parents) have no idea how close he came to being blind or dead. seriously.

I think you can tell your family and friends all you want to... they still have to DO THE WORK. They wont. I always hear "My sister makes the best BBQ... she takes country style ribs and a bottle of bbq sauce and slow cooks it in here crock pot..." or "My mom boils the ribs first to make them tender". You can't help those type of people.

Your friends and family are there because they want to score some good eats.... not your "secrets".

Man, that's one of the biggest reasons why I've decided not to go to some of the contests this year that I've been to..

Running wild kids..

I only know a small handful of teams who's got kids that know the routine and that are good kids and they have good parents. (Scottie's girls and Quau's boy comes to mind quickly) But the kids running around, screaming, on scooters, etc.. and like you said, running right thru people's sites... no excuse for that at all !!!!:icon_pissed:icon_pissed.. There are knives everywhere, large hot metal smokers, tables with raw meat on them, etc.. Luckily, those kind of kids and parents are few and far between.

Bigmista
08-28-2008, 02:55 PM
We have 4 people on our team although recently it's been harder to get everyone at the same contest. Sylvie's husband usually comes on Saturday and my Father-in-law, Glenn has been coming with us lately. Both of them work their butts off and we are thrilled to have them there.

At our last contest we "mentored" Star-B-Que, her husband and Hook Line and Sinker. We were thrilled to show them what we do and hope they learned something about competition. I don't feel like we gave away any secrets.

We also usually have a Pot Luck at our booth. Some people hang around and drink afterwards and will watch me prep my brisket. The rest of the team does their meat before the Pot Luck. My prep isn't anything magical. Nothing you couldn't learn on here and personally, I prefer the company.

Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 02:58 PM
We have 4 people on our team although recently it's been harder to get everyone at the same contest. Sylvie's husband usually comes on Saturday and my Father-in-law, Glenn has been coming with us lately. Both of them work their butts off and we are thrilled to have them there.
At our last contest we "mentored" Star-B-Que, her husband and Hook Line and Sinker. We were thrilled to show them what we do and hope they learned something about competition. I don't feel like we gave away any secrets.
We also usually have a Pot Luck at our booth. Some people hang around and drink afterwards and will watch me prep my brisket. The rest of the team does their meat before the Pot Luck. My prep isn't anything magical. Nothing you couldn't learn on here and personally, I prefer the company.

Thanks for the input. I guess I could loosen up and just enjoy the ride. Didn't want to come across AN*L retentive (guess I must have). But hey..thats why I posted...just wanted to see if my thinking was in line with some of you guys thats been doing this awhile:-D.

ihbobry
08-28-2008, 03:12 PM
If your worried about your ingriedents, then put them in unmarked containers with your own code on them.



Like "Secret Stuff" and "Super Secret Stuff". :mrgreen:

Just Pulin' Pork
08-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the input. I guess I could loosen up and just enjoy the ride. Didn't want to come across AN*L retentive (guess I must have). But hey..thats why I posted...just wanted to see if my thinking was in line with some of you guys thats been doing this awhile:grin:.


In my mind you are not coming across as some an*l rententaive person, you are trying to learn. I am glad you posted this because it is interesting hearing others views.

Lakeside Smoker
08-28-2008, 03:35 PM
I even seen some guy using these!!!!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n40/lakesidesmoker/Picture003-7.jpg

Que'inKC
08-28-2008, 03:48 PM
I think i agree with a lot said here, I've had the fortunate opportunity to help an established team that has gotten a lot of calls. I know his philosphy is "I'm going to teach you most everything I know, but I'm NOT going to tell you EVERYTHING". He and his teamate have worked hard for the past few years to develop a process that works for them and I don't expect him to tell me everything, I have to learn and experience it too.

We had a comp last weekend and it was just the two of us (I'm officially the Helper, but his other teamate had a baby so he's out for a couple comps) so it was very relaxing and not very stressful, but the team next to us decided to invite their entire family (it seemed like) during turn-in's...There were kids and people running everywhere..It stressed me out a bit just watching them...

I think the other thing that irriates me is when (no offense to those that do)people bring their dogs to comps. It's one thing if your dog spends most of his time sleeping or doesn't bark, but those yipping dogs really get on my nerves.

Transformer BBQ
08-28-2008, 03:49 PM
In my mind you are not coming across as some an*l rententaive person, you are trying to learn. I am glad you posted this because it is interesting hearing others views.

Being OCD never hurt during a contest either... especially when putting a box together...

Just Pulin' Pork
08-28-2008, 04:10 PM
Being OCD never hurt during a contest either... especially when putting a box together...


Thank you! I will show this to the rest of my team, especially when they are yelling at me to get it done and turned in!

Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 04:43 PM
Transformer BBQ...I've got two EZ ups with full blackout super-secret curtains, maybe my wife and I could pitch our EZ ups next to yours!

The Pigman
08-28-2008, 05:42 PM
Having only one comp under my belt and being lucky enough to know that I would be busy with turnins I told all F&F to stay away until after 1:30pm. they all love my food and do listen....... I also am fortune enough to have a good crowd of ones who do not drink to get stupid. As for kids running it bothers me everywhere I go and they are allowed to run Resturants, close isles in stores, The parents dont say a word. But being raised Catholic/German and raising 2 sons by myself and having a Scout troop it is not pass me to Yell at some kids...........Mean Old Fart Mod.

I came into kettering hoping to come in 40th out of 39 teams and not burn down the town. We faired pretty well and met alot of good people. Only didnt meet Podge because someone else pointed out someone else as him so when I did see him didnt know it was him. And he was sleeping when I was bringing around ribs and fatties all night on Fri. night. I would rather have the time to spend with ones there competing than with F&F and I tell them if they are coming it is after turnins........

Podge
08-28-2008, 06:28 PM
Being OCD never hurt during a contest either... especially when putting a box together...

Dude, i have the worst OCD for BBQ !!.. you'd think i was doing brain surgery while putting together a box.

Bbq Bubba
08-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Thank you! I will show this to the rest of my team, especially when they are yelling at me to get it done and turned in!

I think i'd get another "team".

Smoky River BBQ
08-28-2008, 08:21 PM
I guess another thing (to get this thread back on the subject) is to not do contests within 100 miles of home. that seems to be the majic number for me as far as non-BBQers coming. A lot can be said about just being around fellow BBQ'ers who truely understand what all needs to happen and what all goes on. You can see your F&F anytime, but your BBQ buds, you don't get to see much. Also, with you all being really new at this, you're better off too to have your F&F stay at home, so you'll have more time to mingle and make more new freinds that are associated with BBQ. You'll get to the point to where whatever contest you go to, you'll always have somebody you know competing there. That's a big part of the fun. Also, you can't pick up some good tips without mingling.

I have to agree with Podge. One of the reasons I started doing this was because I got to meet a great bunch of people who shared the same passion for Q as I have. I look forward to seeing those people at the comps. I have made some really good friends doing this, and meet more every time i go out. And the best part is, when it's time to rock and roll, they understand completely! Like Podge said, I can see my family when I get back. I see my BBQ buddies at the comp, but only when appropriate. :cool:

Jeff_in_KC
08-28-2008, 08:57 PM
I understand some people's need for privacy, and lately I kinda feel as if there has been some shigging going on at our site, but I don't normally worry that someone else is going to duplicate what we do. Good luck to those trying.

I keep thinking there might be some shagging going on at our site as well... oops. Shigging. I misread that. :redface:

Rightstuff
08-28-2008, 09:38 PM
I keep thinking there might be some shagging going on at our site as well... oops. Shigging. I misread that. :redface:

Yeah Baby Yeah! Its not my bag baby!

thenewguy
08-28-2008, 09:39 PM
I have a small group in my "circle". Me,my wife and my good friend. Needless to say, my wife and I do 90% of the work, and my buddy likes to talk to everybody about how things are going...We've issued the nickname of duke to him(you know-the baked beans dog) He'll tell me after a comp that his brother tried some ribs...and did it this way(which is very similar to mine) etc...that's why he's known as duke. Coming home from our first comp he's in the captains seat on the phone to someone saying how I told him that I was gonna do this or that next time...kinda pissed me off a little...But I digress...Just last weekend he asked me what time I put the ribs and chicken on the smoker...I told him if he'd get his butt outta bed by 9 am he'd know...I couldn't help myself!
Anyways, that got me to thinking...no one will ever know exactly how I do everything unless there there everytime I cook. But I have began to mix up my labels and such for rubs...heh heh heh...

Ron_L
08-28-2008, 09:51 PM
As far as the competition duties, two people can handle it. Heck, some guys cook alone. What is very nice, however, is to have some fresh hands at clean up time. At Shannon, IL everyone had a tough night due to storms and we were exhausted by the time turn-in were over. We had friend show up at around 11 am. I told them that they were welcome to hang out and eat some samples but they i wouldn't be visiting much until things were done. they sat out of they way, enjoyed the left overs as I finished each box, and then stayed to help pack up. At the fun cook to benefit Scottie's foundation Parrothead, MrB1984 (Bob) and t-bird came to say hi and stayed to help with the clean up. The help was very welcome!

KC_Bobby
08-28-2008, 10:42 PM
Anyways, that got me to thinking...no one will ever know exactly how I do everything unless there there everytime I cook. But I have began to mix up my labels and such for rubs...heh heh heh...

I don't know exactly how my brother does ribs or brisket and I doubt he knows exactly how I do chicken and pork. I could probably name most of the rubs, injections, etc; temp and times but I guarantee it would turn out different.

And Que'inKC is right about the dogs. Hey, I have the bestest dog in the world but he ain't going to a comp with me. He'd be in the smoker before it would be time for the pork to go in.

I enjoy having friends and family stop by Friday evening after we get the meat prepped, In fact, we generally find comps in towns where we have family and friends for that reason. But we do try to keep them out of the "kitchen" I don't mind if they stay til about midnight or so. At that point I want to put together at least half of the parsley beds then hit the sack by 1:00.

Come Saturday, I prefer that no one comes around from 10:00 - 2:00 unless they are fairly knowledgable about competition BBQ. When people do stop by during that time, we let them know that it's game time, not social hour. They are generally welcome to stick around, just as long as they keep their distance. ModelMaker stopped by one comp earlier this summer during turn ins and he understood we were in game time. After 5 minutes of him being there, I didn't even notice he was there other then the friendly conversation. That goes back to the knowledge of competition BBQ, he know when it was OK to converse and when to just hang back and wait. He understood we weren't being rude when Don and I would interupt him to get some work done. As soon as the task was complete, the communication would continue. Then he even helped us pack up!

The Virginian
08-28-2008, 10:47 PM
I know that after one competition I did not have any "secrets" worth keeping from anyone. Worry less about whether your techniques will be shared too freely, and more about just practiciing and refining those techniques under competition conditions. I would have people come by if you are confident that their presence will not be a distraction for you. Otherwise, maybe wait until you all have your thing down pat and can entertain without it becoming a distraction.

Brett

CivilWarBBQ
08-29-2008, 03:22 AM
As far as the competition duties, two people can handle it. Heck, some guys cook alone. What is very nice, however, is to have some fresh hands at clean up time.

Amen to that!

We've been lucky enough this season to find a fellow who doesn't have any interest in cooking - he just likes to hang out Friday and enjoy the spectacle, enjoying some drinks and answering questions the public may ask about our team or cookers. Bobby is always ready to fetch something from the truck or open a cooler for you, but he generally stays out of the way when turn-in time nears.

The great thing is when the last turn-in and the celebratory toast complete, he jumps right in and starts cleaning and packing. Having a fresh man to take care of the dirty work just when the cooks are at their lowest energy level makes a contest infinitely more enjoyable for everyone on the team. If you are lucky enough to find your own Bobby be sure and remind him how much you appreciate having such and unsung hero on your team.

monty3777
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
I hung out with the Texas Rib Rangers for an entire comp this year. They showed me EVERYTHING they do - all the techniques - and they even let me video them and put them on youtube. Why? Because it doesn't matter if I know their "secrets." Fact is it takes skill, not secrets to cook good BBQ. Doesn't matter if I know how they prepare chicken. If I don't know my cooker through hours of practice it will be crap.

I'm not a believer in secrets - I believe in skill. I know I don't even come close to the farkers who have been doing this for years and quite framkly a special spice in my rub ain't gonna make up the difference. So I say let 'em come and let 'em learn.

j-dog
08-30-2008, 03:00 AM
In my experience, F&F are mostly talk and no action about showing up. If they do they're mostly in the way, as most Q'er's have expressed. It's fabu if you can get the help, but they mostly want to eat and "be a part of it all"! Enjoy the extra hands while you can get them!

Ford
08-30-2008, 06:54 AM
My wife and I have already scheduled our second and third comp (yes we've been bitten by the bug). Since this is all we talk about; lots of family, friends and co-workers have asked to help us at the next comp. This is the entire reason I got involved with comp Q-ing to have fun with family and friends and to meet new friends. My question is: How do you entertain friends and family by letting them help at comps without giving away all your techniques and "SECRETS"? My wife and I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars buying stuff. We've spent countless days practicing and honing our sauces, rubs, and marinades. FIRST of all...I'm a big mouth; I normally tell everything! But in this case, I feel like I've got a lot of time, effort and money involved. I don't thinks its right to just give everything away. Don't get me wrong, I help people all the time with Q-ing and I'm more than happy to give anyone basic starting points to build their OWN products and techniques. Secondly, tell me if I'm wrong and being too serious about this whole thing! What would you do? Thanks!
I've kept quiet till now but here goes. I've had fellow cooks work with me at comps and they see everything I do and use and I have no problem with it. It's in the best interest of competition for everybody to learn and improve. I've taken classes from the best - USA Smoke, DR BBQ, Lotta Bull, Pellet Envy and Smokin Triggers. They also hold nothing back. I may be missing something here but so far you haven't won anything and you're worried about people stealing your secrets?

Now to talk about having people around and entertaining. It's a royal pain in the a$$ to have to entertain at a contest. I need total focus on the 4 comp meats. That means maybe 1 or 2 Jack's not a bunch of beers and Jack. That means getting naps when everybody else is having fun partying. That means spending 2 hours making boxes Friday night while others are having fun. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't. If I have to cook for a party Friday evening and spend time with friends then I'm not going to be very serious about the competition. It's something only you can decide.

And I love having help with setup and break down but between times the only help I want is maybe if somebody I trust helps make a box Friday night. Even then I usually touch up their work.

Spydermike72
08-30-2008, 07:28 AM
I think i'd get another "team".

I think I need to heed this post... :mrgreen:

Spydermike72
08-30-2008, 07:36 AM
I agree with most of the posts here. With the Mt Morris comp recently (my backyard basically) I had asked my family to come over Friday afternoon/evening. My mom and dad stopped by and hung out for a little while, then went home. I told all of my friends to come by Friday and they can forget Saturday. I think I may have offended some as they didnt show up at all!!

I like having a few people to help, I appreciate all of the help I can get, if they help. I am not much of a drinker so that is not a problem.

Now as far as "hiding" what I am doing, I just think that everyone is busy and if they have time to come over and see what I am doing then so be it. I have no secret ingredients or processes, heck most of them I learned here and practiced at home to get my process down. Not to say that I have not learned from others but there is only one way to get good at anything and that is to practice and then execute when the game is on the line.

Ok that is enough, I cant wait for 3:30pm kickoff!!

Cabntmkr1
08-30-2008, 07:39 AM
...I was there to win, they were there to party.
...I have more money and time invested than anyone on the team, and now I am going to either have fun again or quit.

Right on! :!:

Rightstuff
08-30-2008, 07:39 AM
Ok that is enough, I cant wait for 3:30pm kickoff!!

DITTO......GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ford
08-30-2008, 08:56 AM
Ok that is enough, I cant wait for 3:30pm kickoff!!

I think you mean 7 pm don't you? :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

BBQ Bandit
08-30-2008, 09:52 AM
Nice thread...

Just a new pair of eyes who only saw 2 comps... first as a introduction to some of the Brethren at Yardley and assist as a "Support member" with Swamp Pit BBQ at New Holland. Being a Backyard Bum... have a respect to members who compete.

The resources required (equipment, meats, entrance fees, crashpads, and travel costs) prohibit me... and limit to be a lending hand only.

A few points of observation:
1. Knew enuff to stay out of the way when prep was going on.
2. Knew I was a pack/unpack mule.
3. Knew that I dont drink (brought my own "kid-friendly" beverages).
4. Was proud as hell being part of a team.

The friendships and experiences shared are priceless.

Dale P
08-30-2008, 09:48 PM
My brother Matt is one great guy. We decided tonight that we are going to compete like we should. Confident and intoxicated but in control. Friends are invited all day thursdays and saturdays only after 2 pm. fridays are off limits. Like it or hate it, too bad.
Matt, you da Man! Three peat chicken brother! Pickle juice!