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Just Pulin' Pork
07-16-2008, 10:19 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/johnnyo21/Chicken_Peculiuar.jpg

Wizards of 'Que
07-16-2008, 10:26 PM
Give it a 5. the chicken is out of focus.

Sledneck
07-16-2008, 10:28 PM
Looks like chicken should. i would give it a n 8

Just Pulin' Pork
07-16-2008, 11:01 PM
Give it a 5. the chicken is out of focus.


Clean your contacts! Just kidding! Interested in size shape etc.

Nitrofly
07-16-2008, 11:23 PM
sorry I would give a 6
the sauce looks messy
and too much sauce too

thenewguy
07-16-2008, 11:36 PM
Looks a little "too" sauced to me.
The size and box look decent solid 7 anyday!

Just Pulin' Pork
07-16-2008, 11:38 PM
BTW I will post my scores from this contest later.

thenewguy
07-16-2008, 11:44 PM
What contest was it?

CajunSmoker
07-17-2008, 06:28 AM
7.

a little heavy on the sauce.

BBQ_Mayor
07-17-2008, 06:44 AM
Sauce looks a bit heavy. Try to keep it even.
Still give it an 8.

butts a fire
07-17-2008, 07:08 AM
I would give it either a 7 or 8 everything looks pretty good to me with a clear picture maybe even a 9.

Jacked UP BBQ
07-17-2008, 08:39 AM
have three judges here looking and they give it 6, 7, & 8. on app.

Divemaster
07-17-2008, 10:55 AM
I'd go with a solid 7... To much sauce makes me wonder what went wrong under it... Size looks good and the box too!

Rookie'48
07-17-2008, 01:56 PM
I agree with Dive. Any time the sauce is on really heavy, it makes me wonder what's being covered up.

billm
07-17-2008, 02:06 PM
7 possibly 8(with a clearer picture)...although the sauce IS heavy I dont think judges should speculate on possibly WHY its sauced heavy and score down because he MAY be covering something bad up. Its pure speculation at that point. Score for what it is..not what it possibly could be. Thats the way I was told in CBJ class a few years ago anyway.
Maybe he just likes a lot of sauce. if it is too much then it will reflect in the taste score.

Just Pulin' Pork
07-17-2008, 02:06 PM
Any thoughts how to thin out that sauce?

Just Pulin' Pork
07-17-2008, 02:08 PM
Sauce looks a bit heavy. Try to keep it even.

Any time the sauce is on really heavy, it makes me wonder what's being covered up


To much sauce makes me wonder what went wrong under it



How do I thin that sauce?

Ron_L
07-17-2008, 02:12 PM
Water. Apple Juice. Cherry Juice if you like the flavor.

Paola Greg
07-17-2008, 02:13 PM
I agree with Dive. Any time the sauce is on really heavy, it makes me wonder what's being covered up.

Dave, I'm not a judge and have never judged. But I wanted to ask why you would judge down on appearance for what you think the sauce "may" be covering up or what went wrong? Why would you not just judge it as it is, and if the reason for not giving a high score use the reasoning that there is just too much sauce and it does not look as appetizing as it would have if there would have been less sauce on it?

ps: I don't disagree that the sauce appears really thick,

Pig Headed
07-17-2008, 02:22 PM
7, possibly an 8 with a clearer pic. A little too much sauce for me, but that doesn't factor in my scores. Box looks pretty good. A little yellow tinge on some parsley.

dhuffjr
07-17-2008, 02:30 PM
That picture sure makes it hard to say. It appears that the sauce is not even. Heavy on top and in the middle. If you got low marks I'm thinking that my be part of it.

Jaybird
07-17-2008, 03:09 PM
Dave, I'm not a judge and have never judged. But I wanted to ask why you would judge down on appearance for what you think the sauce "may" be covering up or what went wrong? Why would you not just judge it as it is, and if the reason for not giving a high score use the reasoning that there is just too much sauce and it does not look as appetizing as it would have if there would have been less sauce on it?

ps: I don't disagree that the sauce appears really thick,

My sentiments exactly Greg.:roll:

Jaybird
07-17-2008, 03:11 PM
7 possibly 8(with a clearer picture)...although the sauce IS heavy I dont think judges should speculate on possibly WHY its sauced heavy and score down because he MAY be covering something bad up. Its pure speculation at that point. Score for what it is..not what it possibly could be. Thats the way I was told in CBJ class a few years ago anyway.
Maybe he just likes a lot of sauce. if it is too much then it will reflect in the taste score.

My sentiments exactly.

Bentley
07-17-2008, 03:13 PM
How would I improve the apperance of that box...I could not, 9.


Edit Mod:

Now, after reading the other post, I agree, I would not have used that much sauce, but it was presented that way and I see no reason to count down on apperance for that. The amout of sauce may effect my taste score however.

Nitrofly
07-17-2008, 05:08 PM
you don't think too much sauce
makes the box appear messy:?:
remember it's a meat contest not
a sauce contest :icon_blush:
I still stand by my 6 for appearance

Jeff_in_KC
07-17-2008, 05:37 PM
Jon, I would give it a 7. Not sure the sauce is TOO thick but I can see how it would lower scores. Mine improved when I went a little easier on the chicken and rib sauce. Greg and others, I think what's being hidden under the sauce is huge to be honest. If the MEAT is hidden under sauce, how can you judge the MEAT? Seriously.... thick sauce hides good looking meat.

BTW... I'd score down as well because your parsley is blurry! :twisted::lol:

watertowerbbq
07-17-2008, 05:39 PM
you don't think too much sauce
makes the box appear messy:?:
remember it's a meat contest not
a sauce contest :icon_blush:
I still stand by my 6 for appearance

A 6 represents an average score per KCBS judging rules. As a cook, my question would be "How much score did you deduct for the heavy sauce?" "Was it a 7 but the heavy sauce made it a 6?" You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but I think dropping this to a 6 is fairly harsh.

Nitrofly
07-17-2008, 05:59 PM
Well in truth too much sauce
in a KCBS contest is rare so
it could be below average a 5.
Should I ever become a sauce
judge I will love as much sauce
as they give me.. I have judged
a contests where there was so much
sauce on the chicken I was covered in
sauce before my first bite.
If you want to get me sauced then
make it some Gentleman Jack please :icon_blush:

CajunSmoker
07-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Any thoughts how to thin out that sauce?


I cut mine with honey and apple juice.

DawgPhan
07-17-2008, 06:34 PM
you don't think too much sauce
makes the box appear messy:?:
remember it's a meat contest not
a sauce contest :icon_blush:
I still stand by my 6 for appearance

last time I checked it was a BBQ contest...not a meat contest.

watertowerbbq
07-17-2008, 07:04 PM
Well in truth too much sauce
in a KCBS contest is rare so
it could be below average a 5.
Should I ever become a sauce
judge I will love as much sauce
as they give me.. I have judged
a contests where there was so much
sauce on the chicken I was covered in
sauce before my first bite.
If you want to get me sauced then
make it some Gentleman Jack please :icon_blush:


A 5? :eek: WOW!

Nitrofly
07-17-2008, 07:38 PM
No I gave then chicken box a 6 :rolleyes:

QDoc
07-17-2008, 09:26 PM
Like others said, the picture is out of focus. The shape of the thighs are irregular. The sauce application is heavy and not evenly applied. It appears that the skin or what appears to be skin is over cook and has shrunken exposing a "halo" of uncovered meat. Some refer to this as "postage stamps". 6 Do a better skin trim and tack it to prevent shrinkage. It looks as though you've chosen a irregular assortment of thighs and arranged them in an irregular fashion. See how you like placing left thighs on the left and right thighs on the right.

Plowboy
07-17-2008, 11:24 PM
6 - Got for glossy, not saucy.

Just Pulin' Pork
07-17-2008, 11:43 PM
Hey thanks for all the feedback and I really do appreciate it. This Chicken took 4th with the following scores. Total score was 161.1428

778
889
968
888
998
888

Plowboy
07-18-2008, 08:22 AM
Must have been less Fuzzy when the real judges were looking at it.

monty3777
07-18-2008, 08:41 AM
Hey thanks for all the feedback and I really do appreciate it. This Chicken took 4th with the following scores. Total score was 161.1428

778
889
968
888
998
888

At what contest? How many other competitors?

Brew-B-Q
07-18-2008, 08:44 AM
See how you like placing left thighs on the left and right thighs on the right.

How do you determine a left or right thigh? Pics would be helpful :-D

Just Pulin' Pork
07-18-2008, 09:01 AM
At what contest? How many other competitors?


Peculiar MO 27 teams I believe.

Bentley
07-18-2008, 10:14 AM
778
889
968
888
998
888


Hummmm...Two 9's, only one 7 and nothing lower. Must have been a lot of judges like me!

billm
07-18-2008, 10:28 AM
Dave, I'm not a judge and have never judged. But I wanted to ask why you would judge down on appearance for what you think the sauce "may" be covering up or what went wrong? Why would you not just judge it as it is, and if the reason for not giving a high score use the reasoning that there is just too much sauce and it does not look as appetizing as it would have if there would have been less sauce on it?

ps: I don't disagree that the sauce appears really thick,
my post referred to the same thoughts as you Greg ..its very distressing to think judges are looking for underlying reasons something may be sliced a little to thick ..sauced too much..etc..not the first time ive heard these type comments from judges..judge the box for what it is and dont worry about what might be..could be..etc...

QDoc
07-18-2008, 07:14 PM
How do you determine a left or right thigh? Pics would be helpful :-D
Don't have pictures. Just trim them from a bird and don't mix them up. For a contest I usually buy 6 whole birds and trim myself. You get better skin coverage that way:wink:. I usually use the rest for eats at the contest or freeze them for later. I eat a lot of chicken and tuna salad:mrgreen:. Take a look at this site and notice the hip joint side is larger than the knee joint. Also the anterior aspect of the thigh is convex.
http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/cutupchicken.htm