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BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 04:43 PM
Heres something to spark some lively debate.

I am now on the KCBS Research and Development committee, so here is a chance for us(The Brethren) to speak up and have input into some KCBS projects.

One of the projects is an award for 'Rookie of the Year'. Now, with that in mind, lets have some input on how this can be done. What are the gotcha's, what are the possibilities.. This is input I will compile and bring to the committee meeting.

So to start with some thoughts,

Who would qualify?
How can it be verified/policed?

Here are some scenarios to start with.

1 - A brand new pitboss comes out of the backyard, been coookig for years....and now competes in his first ever event(and wins).. Yup, He/she IS a rookie.

2 - Someone who has participated on a team for 2-3 years. A handful of events per year, (lets say 3-4). He starts his own team and competes on his own for the first time.. Is HE/SHE a rookie?

3 - Someone who has competed ONCE on a team to try it, got bit by the bug and started his own team.. is he a rookie?


-->> Insert more scenarios onto discussion..


Now.. how is this policed? How do we make sure someone who has been on a team for years and has done 50 contests, does NOT qualify as a rookie, or sign up as one.. What, if any checks and balances can you think up that we can use. ??


so.. heres our first challenge.... Lets Discuss..:wink:

nthole
03-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I think this will be VERY difficult to prove (that someone is a rookie) and is succeptible to some real issues (did they really do the cooking, method, etc) especially if money or prizes are involved.

You almost need a new team membership number beyond individual membership numbers that must be used to signup for a contest, tracked, and given a time limit to be considered a rookie.

Bigmista
03-19-2008, 05:07 PM
I would say a first year team with a first year headcook would be a rookie team.

If you cooked on another team for years but were never the head cook, when you start your own team with a new team name, you are a rookie team.

Example: Poobah, Militant Squatter and Sledneck compete together for years as BBQ-Brethren.com. Sledneck decides to start a team called Ash Holes Forever and he gets Poobah and Militant Squatter to cook with him. That is a rookie team for that year.

scottyd
03-19-2008, 05:11 PM
oh my a Rookie could be someone that has cooked for years and never won nothing! There are some out there. This is one tough question.

I like the number thing, but now what about a cbj starting a team, they would have a low number but a new team.

what a can of worms.

Transformer BBQ
03-19-2008, 05:17 PM
If no one on your team was ever the head cook of another team in the past.
I would say three events in a season and you qualify towards "rookie team of the year"
Your team can only be a rookie team team once. (meaning, if you cook 1 event a year for three years, then in the 4th year you cook three events... that 4th year is your rookie season. Similar to needing a minimum at bats in pro baseball)

TexEx
03-19-2008, 07:24 PM
What is the question? Are we talking about a Rookie Head Cook or a Rookie Team?

It makes quite a difference.

I believe that only Head Cooks should be eligible for Rookie of the Year, and not a Team. Teams come and go and often change names and members. But a person is the same person all the time.

The first year a person enters a competition and is the official "Head Cook" should mark his/her Rookie year. Maybe there should be a minimum number of competitions as the Head Cook (maybe 3) in a calendar year to be considered their Rookie year.

You can only have one Rookie year in your lifetime.

It should make no difference how many different teams he/she was the Head Cook for during their Rookie year. Remember, teams do not get Rookie of the Year.

Examples:
TexEx is head cook at 2 comps for 2 different teams in 2007. He has a great year and wins GC at both comps. But TexEx would not qualify as a Rookie that year because he did not enter 3 or more comps as head cook. He can still look forward to Rookie status next year.

-- or --

TexEx is head cook at 8 comps for 4 different teams in 2008. He doesn't do as well as last year and takes one 10th in ribs. TexEx would qualify as a Rookie that year.
That would be his one and only year as a Rookie. He would never have another year as a Rookie.


Just my opinion...
Ray

TOPS BBQ
03-19-2008, 07:33 PM
I believe this is very hard to police. Thom will tell you that this became a nightmare with CBBQA. I believe that they are eliminating this after '08. Maybe it was just the format. It wasn't important to me, but I believe having a ROY got some new teams motivated to compete more often and brought more backyard teams into the fray.

What are the standards for a contest to be eligble for ROY? Does it matter if there was ten teams or fifty at a comp?

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 07:50 PM
This is for Rookie of the Year, NOT Rookie Team, so yes TexEx, its the head cook.

the standards for eligibility area also being discussed.. we're looking for input.. and how the scoring will happen,e tc.. This is ground floor idea and were looking to work out some options.

Mutha Chicken BBQ
03-19-2008, 07:58 PM
Well, Untill I win the Jack, AR, And MIM All in the same year....I am still a rookie:lol:

I have done 5 events total, Teamed up with a couple of different teams, and have placed a couple of times. I still consider myself a rookie. I don't know when the magical transformation happens. I have recieved some calls and gotten some very flattering compliments from some of the Big Hitters in our area. So I guess I could not be considered a newbie. But I think a person needs to get the first GC to be taken out of the realm of Rookie.

So anybody got any "super double secret squirrel" stuff they want to share?.............:-D:-D:-D:-D

Bigjim4x
03-19-2008, 08:00 PM
The question I have is what if i have only cooked 1 KCBS event but have cooked 20 IBCA would I still qualify? I think there should be a min and max number of KCBS events to qualify.

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 08:04 PM
I would think that a 'rookie' would be someone who never cooked competitively, regardless of sanctioning body.

txschutte
03-19-2008, 08:08 PM
I would think that a 'rookie' would be someone who never cooked competitively, regardless of sanctioning body.
Would that include somebody like myself? Ihave never competed in a sanctioned event. However I have cooked in dozens of non-sanctioned events that use KCBS rules and regs.

MilitantSquatter
03-19-2008, 08:49 PM
This is for Rookie of the Year, NOT Rookie Team, so yes TexEx, its the head cook.

the standards for eligibility area also being discussed.. we're looking for input.. and how the scoring will happen,e tc.. This is ground floor idea and were looking to work out some options.

I don't like the fact that head cook would only be acknowledged and not the team as a whole.

Teams win, not head cooks..

Let's face it, the application only calls for one head cook name as to who the check is made out to or who to call. That minimizes the work of the other members of the team whom in some cases may share all responsibility equally when they are under the tent.

If KCBS calls out TOY as established, then it should e Rookie Team.

They don't just acknowledge the head cook (at least that's not what I think happens).


If is a KCBS award, it has to be for a new "team" to KCBS...

Kind of like the way a Japanese baseball player can be a star in Japan league and then come to play in the US major leagues and be considered a rookie.

Still, I think it's a nice concept overall, but will be difficult to regulate.

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 10:09 PM
Vinny, but then, Joe Bagodoughnuts, who has never cooked competitively can form a team, and sign them up as rookie team. But.. on that team is Johnny Trig, Mike Davis, and Ray Lampe.. is that a Rookie team because the head cook is a rookie?

I think this particular award is for a Rookie Head cook,, but i will confirm that with Linda. Maybe its for a rookie team, but then I would think NO ONE on the team could ever have cooked competitively.

HoDeDo
03-19-2008, 10:19 PM
First - after you define "who" the rookies are.... what would make one a rookie of the year. Total points? Total GC's? # of top 3 calls? Here is why I ask.... you might have a new team of professionals that get together just to cook the Royal, and score a serious amount of points... and win. then you have another new team that cooked 17 contests, with 6 RGCs, 2 GCs, etc..... If the points were the same, who wins?

The reason I ask... you may have lots of guys that cook 1 or 2 in year one.... a couple more in year 2.... but once thier feet are wet with that first call, jump in, and in year 3 cook 15 contests and do well.... do they get to be a rookie? This sure does look like something that will always start arguments LOL

Westexbbq
03-19-2008, 10:21 PM
As per the wisdom and input from all above, I believe a rookie is a rookie until he or she cooks their first "sanctioned" event, in this case KCBS.
Now, whether that is "head cook" or member of a team needs to be defined.
I'm thinking head cook would be a criteria for the determining factor.
Also does one contest count or would a few, like 3 or so be the qualifier.?
that would need to be determined, at least one for sure.
Net net, once you cook for real, all four categories, turned in and judged, whether 1, 2, 3 contests or whatever, no matter under which team name, you would no longer have "rookie" status.
Just throwin' out dos centavos to ante into the pot.

willkat98
03-19-2008, 10:23 PM
I believe this is very hard to police.

My research yielded the opposite

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/Jcschmitt/TheRookies.jpg

watertowerbbq
03-19-2008, 10:25 PM
We cooked in half a contest in 2006 and a full contest in 2007. We got two calls in our 2007 contest. I still think of myself as a rookie. Actually, I consider myself one of the "little" guys.

I am a member of the Iowa BBQ Society and at the last meeting we had a discussion about how to award an Iowa TOY. Durinig the discussion it came up that it was extremely difficult to determine which teams were from in-state, how they finished, how many contests they entered, etc. I think the idea of ROY is an interesting one, but it seems it would be very difficult to track and administer.

It might be more intersting to "flight" the teams, something similar to a best shot golf outing. Rank all the teams on the average of their aggregate scores based on the number of events they entered. You might break the groups into a) less than 3 contests, b) more than three less than 7, c) more than 7 less than 12, d) more than 12. You could consider any team that enters less than 3 contests a year as rookies.

Rambling over. Thanks. :-D

CTSmokehouse
03-19-2008, 10:27 PM
Joe Bagodoughnuts, is cooking with Johnny Trigg, Mike Davis, and Ray Lampe..

is that a cool team or what?


???; )!

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

leanza
03-19-2008, 10:28 PM
I would think that a 'rookie' would be someone who never cooked competitively, regardless of sanctioning body.

I'm a rookie.:-D Get outta my way!

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 10:29 PM
These are the things we were hashing out.. and iM looking for more thoughts. Alot of good new points here, others were already brought up at the first meeting.

What if a 'rookie' has to register as a 'rookie' to be considered in the award process.
when they decide to form a team, register with KCBS as a rookie team, and then KCBS tracks the team..

I think a system like that will have to be part honor system, and part integrity.. would anyone here, who is known on the circuit register themself as a rookie, if they dont believe they are.? Can you imagine if me, or plowboys, ho-de-do's or BadBones, or any of those teams that have been seen out there decide to try to circumvent the system. I dont think that would happen..

Now.. what about a person who has cooked on an extremely successful team.. for 2-3-4 years.. Never a head cook, but always present on the team.. what happens when they form thir own team? are they rookies? 3-4 years. 20-30-40 contests under the belt. But now just becase they are head cooks, are they still rookies??

Alot of room here for what ifs, and more room for speculation. We would like to figure out something that can work, be fair, and be enforcable.

watertowerbbq
03-19-2008, 10:32 PM
how many contests do you have to enter to be in consideration for KCBS TOY?

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 10:35 PM
i think its 10 now.

?????

Westexbbq
03-19-2008, 10:40 PM
That's the key.
If you want to be in consideration for Rookie of the Year, you gotta register as per the to be determined qualifications.
The honor system should always be in place at all levels in my opinion.
The criteria determined by the committee would probably exclude the "seasoned vet" who participated as a team member; to be fair to a true rookie, that experience should be factored out.
This is all predicated on the concept of Rookie of the Year.
Is the intent to reward a true newcomer and someone who never played before and just started?

MilitantSquatter
03-19-2008, 10:46 PM
I'd like the R&D team to focus their talents on more pressing issues :biggrin:




Yeah - It's 10 now for TOY... Since that's so high for established teams and not even remotely close to the # of contests an average established team cooks, might as well make a rookie have to do 5-8 events to qualify for rookie awards which is above the # of how many a rookie team typically does as well. :roll:


Nice idea, but so many things need to be figured out...

How do you even make rookie teams aware of the program ? Many rookie teams would be local guys maybe not even that familiar with how deep and extensive the comp circuit can be.

That part about being part of a long time team but never the head cook, will be impossible to solve. Too hard to say Joey Bagodonuts has been a teammate for X years and now went out on his own and does well so he's not a rookie... There's no track record to know about Joey Bagodonuts even existing in the eyes of KCBS until he registered.

Would also seem odd that KCBS would try to track/register official teams for rookies yet there is no formal process in place to track existing teams other than the name on a contest scoresheet or when a new member enrolls with KCBS.

for example - I first signed up with KCBS at judges class.. At the time I did not have a team name so that was blank on my application. I doubt there is anywhere on file that Vinny Ferraiuolo is now tied to Bad Bones BBQ Crew in an official way.


Seriously, when are they gonna give you the important stuff to tackle :biggrin:

Brewmaster
03-19-2008, 10:48 PM
Just thinking out loud here. If a team or a head cook wants to be considered for ROY then they would need to summit a application. At this time they would be evaluated to see if they qualify for an agreed upon rookie status. I was thinking this might be an easier way to organize a list of rookies and keep track of them. Once they have ran for ROY once they are no longer eligible. Maybe let them run for ROY during the first three years of competing. They can decide if it's the first, second, or the third year they run for ROY.

Cheers,

Nate

Just my $.02

bbqbull
03-19-2008, 10:48 PM
OK...here is my 2 cents FWIW.
Take a cherry backyard bbq wannabee cooker. Send him to his first sanctioned KCBS contest.
He grabs some of his best buds. They know there going up against some huge.......stiff competition, yet have the man units to let alone just decide to go. Off they go...........They are scared to death.
They have no farking idea what to expect, yet they man/women up and just say were gonna do it. They already have tasted defeat, yet there still going.
They take a walk in 3rd place. OMG................
Thats what a rookie is to me. Somebody who is gutsy enough to just toss their hat into the ring, knowing that there ass is gonna be handed to them in a heartbeat.
I know what the defination of a rookie is..............It happened to us.

watertowerbbq
03-19-2008, 10:48 PM
Just a reminder.........................

KCBS recommends that first time cooks not enter a full contest, rather only enter 1 or 2 entries in their first contest. I've read it in the Bullsheet at least once, if not twice. This recommendation needs to be addressed in the ROY requirements, IMHO.

CTSmokehouse
03-19-2008, 10:50 PM
My understanding that to be a rookie it implies that you have cooked up to 3 events. We cooked Highland NY grilling and BBQ in '06 and Lime Rock BBQ in '07... We competed in NEBS and KCBS... as I see it we are no longer rookie's having competed in 3 events as a team... since then I mentored with Purple Turtles and cooked 7 more events including the American Royal Invitational and Open... I don't think I am rookie material...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

Primal Meat Smokers

Purple Turtle Mentoree

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 10:51 PM
Maybe its a way to encourage folks to compete. Newcomers or experienced cooks alike.

My first contest, i had 17 years experience cooking, but NON competing. Everyone here knows how to cook, but the biggest part of the equation at a contest, is knowing how to compete. So experience is irrelevant to a good extent. I think ROY would be incentive for folks to come out and compete.

MilitantSquatter
03-19-2008, 10:54 PM
[quote=BBQchef33;593251]Maybe its a way to encourage folks to compete. Newcomers or experienced cooks alike.

[quote]

How would KCBS make this program known to potential competitors ?

Will it be highlighted on the website ? Talked about in the judging classes ? Called out at award ceremonies at all KCBS contests ?

Great... get a team excited about TOY doing 2-3 contests, then the next year tell them they must do 10+ to be eligible for established team rankings (can you tell I'm P.O.'d about that and never got more than 2 responses from BOD members on why this change was made ? )

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 10:59 PM
were not at that point yet.. first we're trying to figure out if its feasible..

Thats why were called RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT...... Mr. go find more important stuff to do Sourpuss. :wink::mrgreen::cool:

BBQchef33
03-19-2008, 11:03 PM
OK...here is my 2 cents FWIW.
Take a cherry backyard bbq wannabee cooker. Send him to his first sanctioned KCBS contest.
He grabs some of his best buds. They know there going up against some huge.......stiff competition, yet have the man units to let alone just decide to go. Off they go...........They are scared to death.
They have no farking idea what to expect, yet they man/women up and just say were gonna do it. They already have tasted defeat, yet there still going.
They take a walk in 3rd place. OMG................
Thats what a rookie is to me. Somebody who is gutsy enough to just toss their hat into the ring, knowing that there ass is gonna be handed to them in a heartbeat.
I know what the defination of a rookie is..............It happened to us.

u mean like this? Parrothead and I.. first contest.. 1st chx, 1st ribs, 3rd brisket, 5th pork.

Never competed, but we have been cooking for 15-20 years. We were rookies? yes, because we never competed before.

Now, we got bit by the bug at this contest.. but if there was a ROY carrot dangling out there.. it would definitely be incentive to do it again.

bbqbull
03-19-2008, 11:16 PM
u mean like this? Parrothead and I.. first contest.. 1st chx, 1st ribs, 3rd brisket, 5th pork.

Never competed, but we have been cooking for 15-20 years. We were rookies? yes, because we never competed before.

Now, we got bit by the bug at this contest.. but if there was a ROY carrot dangling out there.. it would definitely be incentive to do it again.


Yes..........Chit yes...........hell yes...............
That to me is what a rookie is.

I didnt have you 2 folks years of Q, but I/we had a couple years under our belt feeding our neighbors.
We got gutsy, leaped into the game and we took a walk.
We had no freakin idea as what to expect other than total defeat.

What you and Parrothead did..........is definately a rookie to me.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

bbqbull
03-19-2008, 11:29 PM
Rookie is a term (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology) for a person who is in their first year of play of their sport and has little or no professional experience. The term also has the more general meaning of anyone new to a profession, training or activity (e.g. rookie cop, rookie pilot, as a synonym for recruit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recruit)), or occasionally to a freshman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshman) (especially in athletic teams).
Rookies (in the sporting sense) can be submitted to hazing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing) as a pledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge) in some clubs.
The term rookie has been modified in some online communities and is often referred to as simply rook, as a synonym for newbie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbie).
In most sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports) there are traditions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditions) in which rookies must do things or tricks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricks) are played on them. Some examples in baseball include players having to dress up in strange costumes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costumes), or getting hit in the face with a cream pie.
Generally, a safe definition of rookie card is any trading card manufactured prior to or during an athlete's rookie year. This can come in a variety of formats including packs, boxes, sets, magazines, and more.
In NASCAR, rookies are symbolized by a yellow stripe on the rear bumper of the car that is placed on both sides of the name or symbol of the manufacturer of the car.
To qualify as a rookie in Major League Baseball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball), a player has to have fewer than 130 at bats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_bat) or 50 innings pitched (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innings_pitched) in the majors, and 45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1st)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rookie&action=edit&section=1)]

leanza
03-19-2008, 11:41 PM
OK...here is my 2 cents FWIW.
Take a cherry backyard bbq wannabee cooker. Send him to his first sanctioned KCBS contest.
He grabs some of his best buds. They know there going up against some huge.......stiff competition, yet have the man units to let alone just decide to go. Off they go...........They are scared to death.
They have no farking idea what to expect, yet they man/women up and just say were gonna do it. They already have tasted defeat, yet there still going.
They take a walk in 3rd place. OMG................
Thats what a rookie is to me. Somebody who is gutsy enough to just toss their hat into the ring, knowing that there ass is gonna be handed to them in a heartbeat.
I know what the defination of a rookie is..............It happened to us.

Preach it Brother! That's where I'm at! Except we have'nt quite made it to the sactioned event. Been involved in a couple Backyard's but how you described it is how we approached the cook.

bbqbull
03-19-2008, 11:44 PM
Preach it Brother! That's where I'm at! Except we have'nt quite made it to the sactioned event. Been involved in a couple Backyard's but how you described it is how we approached the cook.


:wink:

backporchbbq
03-20-2008, 04:48 AM
My dad and brother smoked one summer, I thought what is this all about I am not doing this. 14 hrs and woopie you get to eat meat. Then I got tired of hearing about it, and decided yeah I will do it, I have nothing else to do today. I got hooked, I spend much of the day thinking about it. They did a competition, I had to work so I couldn't go.

The next competition they went to was Berks, my first. We got second chicken. We are so proud, we pass the trophy off between us. I know I am a rookie, and I do not mind it one bit. I get all the help/advise I need, and learn everytime I get on here and every event.

tonto1117
03-20-2008, 06:57 AM
OK...here is my 2 cents FWIW.
Take a cherry backyard bbq wannabee cooker. Send him to his first sanctioned KCBS contest.
He grabs some of his best buds. They know there going up against some huge.......stiff competition, yet have the man units to let alone just decide to go. Off they go...........They are scared to death.
They have no farking idea what to expect, yet they man/women up and just say were gonna do it. They already have tasted defeat, yet there still going.
They take a walk in 3rd place. OMG................
Thats what a rookie is to me. Somebody who is gutsy enough to just toss their hat into the ring, knowing that there ass is gonna be handed to them in a heartbeat.
I know what the defination of a rookie is..............It happened to us.

This would be my definition of a rookie. It sums up our first experience and comp(KCBS or otherwise) last year. I know I was scared to death going in.....I think we all were. We left feeling like we were on cloud 9.

Rick's Tropical Delight
03-20-2008, 07:03 AM
i am a rookie. never competed. never helped on a team. only been to one competition (spectator on friday) and it wasn't sanctioned.

^ THAT is a rookie.

ZILLA
03-20-2008, 09:18 AM
I think that a rookie team would be one with all first time comp cooks.

I don't think it's possible to police it.

You would have to settle for teams being KCBS rookies.

All you could do is keep a data base of registered/paid KCBS members and teams and check against that list. I think you would also have to have each team member a registered/paid member so you could keep track better. It would be porous at first but would eventually become fairly accurite.

timzcardz
03-20-2008, 09:31 AM
Is it "Rookie Of The Year" or "KCBS Rookie Of The Year"?

Does the rookie have to be a first timer to KCBS competition, even though they have competed in comps sanctioned by others?

Think of Major League Baseball. Ichiro was an established Japanese superstar, comes to the states and wins Rookie Of The Year.

Sawdustguy
03-20-2008, 11:59 AM
IMHO for this particular instance a candidate for Rookie of the year is simply a head cook who has not competed in a KCBS Sanctioned before. I think it would be very difficult if it were not limited to head cooks. Prior competition experience with other sanctioning bodies should be ignored because as I understand it this award would be for KCBS Rookie of the year only.

Neal
03-20-2008, 12:43 PM
What if a 'rookie' has to register as a 'rookie' to be considered in the award process.
when they decide to form a team, register with KCBS as a rookie team, and then KCBS tracks the team..


This seems like the way to go, Phil. This way you can do a research on teams and make sure that they are in fact rookies. I assume this is kind of like TOTY, where you get recognized and maybe get a trophy for a job well done? Not cash. As long as there is no cash involved, I am not sure that it would be a big honor for a vet to call him/herself a rookie just to win an award.

It also occured to me that if these teams were truly rookies, then they would not know much about contests or KCBS and probably would not know to register as such. BUT, in nearly every contest I have been to, the rep asks for a show of hands to see if there are any new cooks. This would be the perfect time to introduce them to the ROTY concept and get them to register so they can keep track.

Seems like a minimum of 3 or 4 contests would be about right to qualify for the award (take your best 3 finishes?).

SmokeInDaEye
03-20-2008, 01:20 PM
Example: Poobah, Militant Squatter and Sledneck compete together for years as BBQ-Brethren.com. Sledneck decides to start a team called Ash Holes Forever and he gets Poobah and Militant Squatter to cook with him. That is a rookie team for that year.

Couldn't happen. Poobah hasn't completed the Ash Hole initiation process.

As for ROY, I agree that it should be a head cook who hasn't competed as a head cook before that season and results are determined by his/her top 3-4 overall scores that year.

Roo-B-Q'N
03-20-2008, 01:50 PM
This seems like the way to go, Phil. This way you can do a research on teams and make sure that they are in fact rookies. I assume this is kind of like TOTY, where you get recognized and maybe get a trophy for a job well done? Not cash. As long as there is no cash involved, I am not sure that it would be a big honor for a vet to call him/herself a rookie just to win an award.

It also occured to me that if these teams were truly rookies, then they would not know much about contests or KCBS and probably would not know to register as such. BUT, in nearly every contest I have been to, the rep asks for a show of hands to see if there are any new cooks. This would be the perfect time to introduce them to the ROTY concept and get them to register so they can keep track.

Seems like a minimum of 3 or 4 contests would be about right to qualify for the award (take your best 3 finishes?).


This is all right on. Reps can make new teams aware, and then it is up to the teams to register. But inso doing they are goingot help bolster some of the contests around them as they will compete more where they may not have otherwise. But a minimum of 3-4 is not to much to ask and will weed out the ones that only do one or two.

Will there be some out there that will try to bend or circumvent the rules, yes or someone trying to put a rookie's name on as head cook, yes, but a penalty of not cooking KCBS for two years or whatever amount of time if caught may make them think twice.

G$
03-20-2008, 01:51 PM
Would that include somebody like myself? Ihave never competed in a sanctioned event. However I have cooked in dozens of non-sanctioned events that use KCBS rules and regs.

I think so. There needs to be "hard fast rules", and this is the dividing line. Have you ever HCed a sanctioned contest? if not, your first year is "Rookie". Skill, ability or outside experience should not enter in to it.

The over/under number of events per year is impossible to quantify in my opinion. If you have been a HC in a previous year, ya can't be a rookie.

nthole
03-20-2008, 02:28 PM
Joe Bagodoughnuts

You're either a Bob and Tom fan...or a Mike Bahoosky fan. Which is it?

jbrink01
03-20-2008, 02:59 PM
Rookie = first year KCBS member. Head cook and teammates. Teammates may be non-KCBS members.

BBQchef33
03-20-2008, 04:55 PM
You're either a Bob and Tom fan...or a Mike Bahoosky fan. Which is it?

:confused:
never heard of either... But Joe Bagodoughnuts has been around my house for years. :eusa_clap

Mokin Bandit
03-20-2008, 05:09 PM
No way to really determine a rookie. If KCBS tracked teams and team members it might be possible.

smoke-n-my-i's
03-20-2008, 08:09 PM
So from what I am reading, if and when this happens, that is the starting point for the ROY? So if a head cook/team or what ever, has only competed in say 3 competitions, he/they would not be able to even think about being or considered for ROY because they have already competed...

So, do you look at who has competed, and see how many events he/they have been in, and go from there, or only newbies that join on or after that date be able to be eligible????

If no one on your team was ever the head cook of another team in the past.
I would say three events in a season and you qualify towards "rookie team of the year"
Your team can only be a rookie team team once. (meaning, if you cook 1 event a year for three years, then in the 4th year you cook three events... that 4th year is your rookie season. Similar to needing a minimum at bats in pro baseball)

OK...here is my 2 cents FWIW.
Take a cherry backyard bbq wannabee cooker. Send him to his first sanctioned KCBS contest.
He grabs some of his best buds. They know there going up against some huge.......stiff competition, yet have the man units to let alone just decide to go. Off they go...........They are scared to death.
They have no farking idea what to expect, yet they man/women up and just say were gonna do it. They already have tasted defeat, yet there still going.
They take a walk in 3rd place. OMG................
Thats what a rookie is to me. Somebody who is gutsy enough to just toss their hat into the ring, knowing that there ass is gonna be handed to them in a heartbeat.
I know what the defination of a rookie is..............It happened to us.


I agree with that one.... we walked in our very first comp... and I have only competed in two others ones so far since then....

And that will bring up another question....

What about most improved cook/team? ? ? Take the average from the previous year/s and compare them against this year.... total points divided by number of comps to get average... or something like that.... MIT = most improved team... now that is something to think about........

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LindaM
03-26-2008, 11:33 AM
NEBS has a Rookie Team of the Year. IF someone whould chime in with their qualifications that would help.

It would be only a trophy no money, but recognition is the key. Folks like to be noticed for a job well done.

By the way guys we are also looking at other Divisions of TOY. We have had so many comments on the high # of competitions required for TOY that R&D is looking to do something for the guys who can't travel 10 weeks a year.

We HEAR YOU!!!!

Yakfishingfool
03-26-2008, 12:14 PM
OK, I'll admit I didn't read them all, but here is what I think...Take the determination of Rookie out of the hands of the contestant. Have all team members names kept on the application, head cook needs to be identified. This could all go into a data base at KCBS and the computer could spit out an individual that meets the criteria decided by the committee. In my opinion....the first year of competitive cooking as head cook is the rookie year, so 365 days from the first time you register as head cook is your rookie year. Award to the head cook, an individual award, the leader of the team, seems to make sense and can be whatever we want it to be. But let the computers hack through the data and go from there. So in theory, I have been on a team for several comps, but never head cook/honcho, meaning the buck stops with me. So when I register first time as head cook, my year starts, regardless of how much team experience I have, regardless of how many comp's I register for in those 365 days.

I can be a crew member on a sailboat but never shoulder the responsibility to lead as captain. Is my experience as crew such an advantage? The real test of the captain is when he/she is at the helm and calling the shots, monitoring all the systems and bringing all the skills to bear to produce a winning performance. I may be the best damn downwind sail handler, but that is only a slice of the job. The true medal comes when I have all the cards and deal correctly. Scott

Transformer BBQ
03-26-2008, 02:56 PM
NEBS has a Rookie Team of the Year. IF someone whould chime in with their qualifications that would help.



Quoted from another site. These are the Rules for NEBS Rookie of the year.

"The rules are:

if a new team competed in 2 or less contests last year and it was
their first year competing they qualify for rookie team this year if
they compete in 3 or more contests. Rookie TOY only used the team top
3 contests not top 5 like regular TOY."