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Sledneck
02-07-2008, 12:51 PM
With all of the stuff regarding some ugly KCBS issues that have been recently discussed i would like to ask you all a question. Why KCBS? Every contest around here is for the most part KCBS. Why? If i were to put a contest together this summer here in NY with FBA sanctioning would you still compete? I use FBA as an example, substitute any other you know of.I have a great deal of respect for what KCBS has done as well as the job of our local reps. I think i would be intrigued to compete at a contest with a different sanctioning body

Ford
02-07-2008, 01:19 PM
Right now my first choice is KCBS but if they stick their foot in their mouth and pi$$ me off then I'd gladly look at an FBA event in the midwest instead. The key is that it is a qualifier for the Jack and the Royal.

Bbq Bubba
02-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Right now my first choice is KCBS but if they stick their foot in their mouth and pi$$ me off then I'd gladly look at an FBA event in the midwest instead. The key is that it is a qualifier for the Jack and the Royal.

That about say's it all.......:wink:

The Giggler
02-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Question - Do either the JD or AR Invitationals recognize State GC's from sanctioning bodies other than KCBS?

Jorge
02-07-2008, 01:36 PM
Question - Do either the JD or AR Invitationals recognize State GC's from sanctioning bodies other than KCBS?

The short answer is, yes.

DawgPhan
02-07-2008, 01:36 PM
I know that FBA was working to get more Jack qualifiers on the schedule for this year and the have several state championships for the American Royal. I believe that Swamp Boys is headed to the AR based on a FBA win...

lunchlady
02-07-2008, 01:37 PM
First off, I too have enormous respect for what KCBS has done, and I think we have the best Reps, hands down. (Red Sox fan mod)

If it weren't for KCBS, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I think one answer to "Why KCBS?", is because, even with all this grumbling and ugliness , they know how to run a BBQ contest correctly, at the contest level.
The general guidelines and rules of KCBS contests are basically fair and easy to follow. This, and the competition factor, (I can beat these guys...) is what draws people in, and once you're bit, you know, there's no going back.

That is why I said "at the contest level". The other political crap is just that, political crap. If you don't like it (AND you are actually a KCBS member)... vote.
...well.. vote next year... but vote.

If you were to get an FBA contest going I'd be there in a heartbeat Sled. I enjoy diversity in my BBQ Associations. :> FBA has some different rules and regs that I find challenging, and I would LOVE to try my hand at it. It was a blast in Douglas GA, and Kell has still another, completely different set of rules.

I can't seem to schedule a good time to get lunchmeat down there, but maybe you can get some of them to come up here. It sure is HOT down there in the summertime.

good thread... ya trouble maker ... heheh

Roo-B-Q'N
02-07-2008, 01:43 PM
KCBS is about the only game around here. I would love to compete in another sanctioning bodies contest.

I seriously think we as competitiors have placed KCBS on a pedestal and have caused all of this ourselves. Get a few more sanctioning bodies up and running across the country and make them all compete for your contest.

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 01:49 PM
KCBS is about the only game around here. I would love to compete in another sanctioning bodies contest.

I seriously think we as competitiors have placed KCBS on a pedestal and have caused all of this ourselves. Get a few more sanctioning bodies up and running across the country and make them all compete for your contest.
That is where you are wrong. KCBS is the only games chosen around you. Contact other sanctioning bodies and tell them that you have interested in them sanctioning contest in your area. I have spoken briefly in the past with a board member of FBA and was told that they are more than willing to come up here and sanction a contest. KCBS does not own your area.

ihbobry
02-07-2008, 02:19 PM
If i were to put a contest together this summer here in NY ...

I try to not make trouble here but based on what I've been reading from you the past few weeks ... :)

Anyway, people go to what is familiar and available. KCBS provides the structure, rules & branding that make it work for the entrants and organizers. The sanctioning body of any sport or activity will always sooner or later, peeve off the participants and others involved. But you know what, those difficult/ignorant people @ the top always move on to mess something else up or start something new. The people who make the organiztion great always pickup the pieces and continue on.

The key is to keep this cycle in mind, keep the cohesive body of organisers and entrants from splintering and wasting the energy it takes to reinvent the wheel under a new name with new rules and new organiztion growing pains and all that crap.

Roo-B-Q'N
02-07-2008, 02:43 PM
That is where you are wrong. KCBS is the only games chosen around you. Contact other sanctioning bodies and tell them that you have interested in them sanctioning contest in your area. I have spoken briefly in the past with a board member of FBA and was told that they are more than willing to come up here and sanction a contest. KCBS does not own your area.

This is true, but I have looked into IBCA and what a nightmare to pull off, but possible. I doubt FBA would come to the middle of the country to sanction a contest, MIM doesn't do it anymore (though there is a new group that has taken over I understand)

With 5 or 6 contest in the state, gettinng another sanctioning body interested would be a challange. And then getting cooks to play along would be the next hurddle.

Perhaps the BBQ Brethren should start sanctioning contests. we are already all over the world.

As a side note I typed BBQ Sanctiong Bodies into google, and was surprised to see this at the top of the list http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36187

So now why sanction with KCBS and why use any search engine.

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 02:49 PM
I try to not make trouble here but based on what I've been reading from you the past few weeks ... :)

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Not sure of what you are talking about?

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 02:50 PM
Perhaps the BBQ Brethren should start sanctioning contests. we are already all over the world.


Did you have my cellphone tapped at lunch time today? that is freaky...

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 02:55 PM
This is true, but I have looked into IBCA and what a nightmare to pull off, but possible. I doubt FBA would come to the middle of the country to sanction a contest, MIM doesn't do it anymore (though there is a new group that has taken over I understand)

.Not sure if i get that. I have been to many KCBS event locally and havent noticed anybody travel from kansas city to run the contest. Its called reps and they are typically from your area or near by. I woudl think that other sanctioning bodies would want to grow and expand just as KCBS has. I understand the initial contest would be a hurdle but KCBS didnt magically appear here in the northeast out of no where

Bride of Roo(BQ'n)
02-07-2008, 03:14 PM
Not sure if i get that. I have been to many KCBS event locally and havent noticed anybody travel from kansas city to run the contest. Its called reps and they are typically from your area or near by. I woudl think that other sanctioning bodies would want to grow and expand just as KCBS has. I understand the initial contest would be a hurdle but KCBS didnt magically appear here in the northeast out of no where


Tom and I organized an Omaha comp last year, 1 rep was from KC. We ran a CBJ class...Merl came from Tulsa. Omaha is just a Northern Suburb of KC when it comes to BBQ....

WannaBeBBQueen
02-07-2008, 03:14 PM
If i were to put a contest together this summer here in NY with FBA sanctioning would you still compete?

ABSOLUTELY! Doesn't have to be KCBS or NEBS for us...

a new sanctioning body might be interesting too :wink:

Hey and you know if you need ANY help just give me a holler, I'll hear ya...lol:biggrin:

Roo-B-Q'N
02-07-2008, 03:28 PM
Did you have my cellphone tapped at lunch time today? that is freaky...

OH carp I am thinking like Sledneck again . . . this happend awhile ago and nothing came of a Brethren Bash at the awards banquet so maybe this to shall pass.

Not sure if i get that. I have been to many KCBS event locally and havent noticed anybody travel from kansas city to run the contest. Its called reps and they are typically from your area or near by. I woudl think that other sanctioning bodies would want to grow and expand just as KCBS has. I understand the initial contest would be a hurdle but KCBS didnt magically appear here in the northeast out of no where


What my bride said.

And really it all boils down to why not fight for an organization you believe in. Just because a few are making it the worst for wear doesn't mean you have to jump ship and find new friends to play with (I am not saying that is what YOU Sledneck are doing or suggesting, just a generalizatio). I think ICBA and no garnish would be fun, but I still believe in the KCBS.

ThomEmery
02-07-2008, 03:42 PM
I do IBCA and KCBS contests out here
each has its place
CBBQA has sanctioned small events in the past

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 03:44 PM
I am not organizing a local FBA contest. I am no jumping ship either . I plan on doing KCBS as long as they are available. I am just curious.

smoke-n-my-i's
02-07-2008, 03:50 PM
I don't know all of the stats, but I think KCBS was about the first to start sanctioning. All of the rest have followed on their guidelines. A lot will use the KCBS rules and modify them to their own personal use.

I called the MABA and they are not sanctioning any this year at all. But they do have quite a few listed on their websites. Mostly KCBS. So my next question is: Why isn't anybody getting these other societies to sanction their events?

Everyone seems to only want to use KCBS. Is it only because they are the most popular? Or are they giving the best deals?

NCBS is local for me, but their website looks the same as it did 6 months ago. They still have all of last year's events listed, same news, same everything....

Maybe KCBS is the most active, and that is why they get all the business. Should the other societies get to more of the comps and solicit their business? Why not. I think they should. I think all of the AR and Jack should recognize the other society winners if they don't already.

Let the competition begin.....

BanditBBQ
02-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Question - Do either the JD or AR Invitationals recognize State GC's from sanctioning bodies other than KCBS?

Another short answer:
To my knowledge, the event doesn't necessarily have to be 'sanctioned' by anyone in particular as long as they meet the minimum requirements set forth by AR & JD. Basics include: State Proclamation from Governor, Minimum # of Teams, and Correct Meat Categories Cooked.

Carpe 'Que,
Jim

DawgPhan
02-07-2008, 04:31 PM
FBA is growing here in the south and will continue to expand as far as I know. I dont think that they have any issue traveling to sanction an event when you consider that they had an event in Panama City this past month...not Florida, Panama. Besides the volume that KCBS does I dont know of any advantage over FBA. Dont like garnish...FBA. Want to track judges and see what table you are at...FBA. Want to have the team of the year results updated quickly and available for all to sse...FBA. Want to listen to board meetings...FBA. Also tenderness counts slightly more than taste does which makes sense to me.

I also like the triple crown program and look forward to growing with FBA.

I think that there are 3 FBA events in GA and 4 KCBS...and maybe 5-6 MBN events. Everyone gets a slice in GA.

Sawdustguy
02-07-2008, 04:46 PM
I think that you guy's get your knickers in a twist over small chit. The KCBS is simply a sanctioning body to the competition cooker. As a competition cook that it all it means. To a contest organizer it means a whole lot more. As an organizer I pay a fee, I get sanctioned and I have someone to administer the competition portion of the event. I will get representatives from the KCBS who will come and make sure the judges have some idea of what to do, make sure the contest is run with respect to rules as set forth by the KCBS and score the contest. It lends credibility to the contest that this portion of the contest is handled by a known third party. As a cooker, all the crap with the MMA and other BS means nothing. As a member of the KCBS I am concerned about some of the stuff that is happening but as a cooker, it really has no bearing. I don't really understand why anyone is concerned with the KCBS as a sanctioning body. Why reinvent the wheel? I don't think I would ever cook in a non sanctioned contest because I get no guarantees. I can cook the best Q this world has ever seen and the organizer can elect to give the prize to his neighbor. Cooking in a KCBS sanctioned event or for that matter any other sanctioned event prevents this. I have no idea why anyone would not want to use the KCBS as the sanctioning body for their contest. They have been doing this for a long time and have some dynamite reps. I know alot of you have dealt with Jerry and Linda Mullane. They are simply the best. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that does it as well.

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 05:26 PM
I think that you guy's get your knickers in a twist over small chit. The KCBS is simply a sanctioning body to the competition cooker. As a competition cook that it all it means. To a contest organizer it means a whole lot more. As an organizer I pay a fee, I get sanctioned and I have someone to administer the competition portion of the event. I will get representatives from the KCBS who will come and make sure the judges have some idea of what to do, make sure the contest is run with respect to rules as set forth by the KCBS and score the contest. It lends credibility to the contest that this portion of the contest is handled by a known third party. As a cooker, all the crap with the MMA and other BS means nothing. As a member of the KCBS I am concerned about some of the stuff that is happening but as a cooker, it really has no bearing. I don't really understand why anyone is concerned with the KCBS as a sanctioning body. Why reinvent the wheel? I don't think I would ever cook in a non sanctioned contest because I get no guarantees. I can cook the best Q this world has ever seen and the organizer can elect to give the prize to his neighbor. Cooking in a KCBS sanctioned event or for that matter any other sanctioned event prevents this. I have no idea why anyone would not want to use the KCBS as the sanctioning body for their contest. They have been doing this for a long time and have some dynamite reps. I know alot of you have dealt with Jerry and Linda Mullane. They are simply the best. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that does it as well.
Guy, i am not complaining about KCBS or the job they do. I dont see anywhere in this thread where anybody is considering a non-sanctioned event. I am talking about having a choice. I could care less about politics of KCBS or anything that is going on currently. This is something that has been on my mind for a long time. If i searched i could probably find a post where i have discussed this previously . Nobody is trying to re-invent the wheel. Wouldnt you like a variety? I enjoy KCBS contests. I would like to also try to a different format. Shake things up a bit. Make it more challenging and interesting. Isnt variety the spice of life <--- yes i know i should be slapped for that one:tongue:

Sawdustguy
02-07-2008, 05:44 PM
Guy, i am not complaining about KCBS or the job they do. I dont see anywhere in this thread where anybody is considering a non-sanctioned event. I am talking about having a choice. I could care less about politics of KCBS or anything that is going on currently. This is something that has been on my mind for a long time. If i searched i could probably find a post where i have discussed this previously . Nobody is trying to re-invent the wheel. Wouldnt you like a variety? I enjoy KCBS contests. I would like to also try to a different format. Shake things up a bit. Make it more challenging and interesting. Isnt variety the spice of life <--- yes i know i should be slapped for that one:tongue:

Sorry Steve, I misinterpreted your intentions and lumped that in with all the KCBS bashing lately. I apologize for my assumption as I now understand where you are coming from. I happen to agree with you here. It would be really alot of fun to cook another format or as you pointed out, have a choice. I am jones'in to try a Memphis in May style of contest.........Mia Culpa

Sledneck
02-07-2008, 06:00 PM
Sorry Steve, I misinterpreted your intentions and lumped that in with all the KCBS bashing lately. I apologize for my assumption as I now understand where you are coming from. I happen to agree with you here. It would be really alot of fun to cook another format or as you pointed out, have a choice. I am jones'in to try a Memphis in May style of contest.........Mia Culpa Being misunderstood is the story of my life (sigh) :biggrin:

smokincracker
02-07-2008, 06:04 PM
Question - Do either the JD or AR Invitationals recognize State GC's from sanctioning bodies other than KCBS?

Yes

www.flbbq.org

check out contest page

LindaM
02-07-2008, 06:23 PM
Guy,

Thanks for the kind words. Jerry and I always try to do the best we can at contests. We try to treat everyone fairly and most of all follow the rules. Everyone gets the same treatment.

How would you guys feel about MIM competition style in the Northeast?

Linda

TOPS BBQ
02-07-2008, 08:45 PM
There have only been two sanctioning bodies in California (IBCA & KCBS). I don't mind either, but I prefer KCBS. If a promoter were to bring another sanctioned body, I'm for it, as long as they are on the up & up. I just want to compete and meet more people who have the same passion as I do.

ZILLA
02-07-2008, 09:24 PM
Yes. As a matter of fact that's all we cook is non KCBS. I like it too. Sled just form your own BBQ association. You could also start a IBCA pit on the Island. Contrary to popular beleif KCBS is not the "end all, be all" of BBQ. After hearing the lastest news I'm holding Crapshoots membership fee until I see how this pans out. I think right now I'd sooner cook a local bar cookoff than a KCBS event. Here in Texas we BBQ, have fun, win good money, and can still get to the big five contests and never even utter those four letters. As far as I'm concerned they can sit on it.

Sawdustguy
02-07-2008, 09:26 PM
Guy,

Thanks for the kind words. Jerry and I always try to do the best we can at contests. We try to treat everyone fairly and most of all follow the rules. Everyone gets the same treatment.

How would you guys feel about MIM competition style in the Northeast?

Linda

I know that we would love to do an MIM event.

BBQchef33
02-07-2008, 09:38 PM
Guy,

Thanks for the kind words. Jerry and I always try to do the best we can at contests. We try to treat everyone fairly and most of all follow the rules. Everyone gets the same treatment.

How would you guys feel about MIM competition style in the Northeast?

Linda

thats absolutly true.. especially when we see either one of you two walking towards us with that ' u dumb chit, you screwed up' look. :redface::cool:

HoDeDo
02-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Guy, i am not complaining about KCBS or the job they do. I dont see anywhere in this thread where anybody is considering a non-sanctioned event. I am talking about having a choice. I could care less about politics of KCBS or anything that is going on currently. This is something that has been on my mind for a long time. If i searched i could probably find a post where i have discussed this previously . Nobody is trying to re-invent the wheel. Wouldnt you like a variety? I enjoy KCBS contests. I would like to also try to a different format. Shake things up a bit. Make it more challenging and interesting. Isnt variety the spice of life <--- yes i know i should be slapped for that one:tongue:

KCBS is trying to provide a little variety as well... They started the "Competitor Series" contests. You want no garnish, great - have a contest in this series.... you want to cook stick burners only... or Gas only :wink: They would like to sanction your need for variety too :mrgreen:

Having said that - I don't mind unsanctioned events, and I would love to go try a TX event... get to turn in something other than just chicken thighs :rolleyes:

I' think your line of thought is right on Sled... variety would be nice.