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BBQchef33
01-30-2008, 04:09 PM
Kingpins post reminded me of something I have been thinking about for a while and alredy discused in the past with some of you.

Where are we..... From the Backyard to the American Royal. Some History.

Thats a brief description of a piece of our current charter I envisioned years ago when our group started getting involved in competition BBQ. We were a happy bunch of backyarders at the time, with little or no experience in competition BBQ.

As we grew, seasoned competitors began to join us and enlightened us to the world of Competitive BBQ. Some of us stayed in our original paths improving our backyard fares and others decided to venture off and try their hands at competition. So we(our members) were ranging From the Backyard to the American Royal.

Somewhere along the lines, that tag line took on a double meaning.. the second being the journey of our rookie teams From the Backyard TO the American Royal.

<jump ahead....>

I remember when arriving at one of my earlier competitions, 3rd, maybe forth time out, when I pulled into the venue, I saw names like DrBBQ, Dirty Dick, Philly Pigs and Daisy Mays. My first thought was "Aww chit..look who's here. There goes any of my chances" for a walk.

I took 3rd overall in that contest behind Drbbq and Dirty Dick. ... Which led to the line of 'Any given day'...any one of us can walk.

Sometime later, as I was working on our artwork I envisioned someone pulling into a contest and seeing our banner flying on someones tent and them having the same feeling i did when I saw some of the big names. "Aw chit, its A Brethren"... thats where the tag line came from.. "Fear the Pig".

Now, I feel our emblem is not a symbol of Competition BBQ, but a symbol of the BBQ Ambassadors. Yes, one day in someones mind, it may symbolize one of the elite as they arrive at a contest as say 'aw chit".., but it will always be a group of friends, family, enthusiasts and those people willing to share, help in the overall promotion of the art of BBQ, whether it be in the Backyard or the American Royal.

so heres is something I propose(taking a page from NEBS and other organizations). The BBQ Brethren Mentoring Program.

We have plenty of teams here, many flying our colors. Lets drive to help the new guys out.. ....those that are considering taking the plunge but are unsure. All they may need is to try one contest to make that decisions.

I will set up a catagory in the Competition Forum for teams to sign up as mentors, and members to look for places to start out. It will be seperated form the other competition stuff.

This can come under a few guises.

1 - Teams can actually sign up to mentor by just starting a thread with your team bio and location and maybe the contests you plan to cook if u know them.
or
they can just be looking for someone to help. If that someone has little or no experience, guess what? Its mentoring. :wink::mrgreen:

I would think that once a team starts a thread, they can just add to it for there own Mentoring history.

2 - Members can post looking to join, or tag along with a team or post their experiences to help others trying to decide.

3 - Teams can merge, cook together to offset costs, or relieve stress, free up time, etc..

We can make it what we want. I am not expecting a huge amount of activity, but it will help centralize and organize the concept and make it easier for it to take off.

This is an idea in its infancy that i have discussed with a few members in the past and have not had a chance to implement.. KINGPIN lit the fire.. good job!!

Now.. lets discuss. .we're open for suggestions, or just a dumb idea?

Solidkick
01-30-2008, 04:18 PM
Sounds good to me!

BBQ Grail
01-30-2008, 04:19 PM
I think it's a great idea. I'd love to be mentored out here on the West Coast...

SP
01-30-2008, 04:22 PM
I think its a great idea.

Sledneck
01-30-2008, 04:23 PM
I would love to mentor 13th place chicken

Sawdustguy
01-30-2008, 04:27 PM
We would be willing to mentor anyone who has a name ending in "ski".....just kidding. I think it is a wonderful idea and we would be willing to mentor. Why not start another section of the board called Mentors. Give each Mentoring Team a thread labeled with the Team Name and location. The newby can post in the Team Name/ location Thread of his choosing to request mentoring.

spicewine
01-30-2008, 04:32 PM
I have always viewed the Brethren Banner as a " Welcome Mat ", a home so to speak where you can always find a handshake, a beer, a good laugh and a wealth of information. I have never hesitated to approach a team flying the banner knowing that I would be greeted with a warm welcome.

Team Q has mentored in the past. It was amazing how people who really want to improve their BBQ will absorb as much knowledge as they can and turn around and do extremely well at their next contest. Watching them get their walk is the pay off. I would encourage all the Brethren who compete regularly to help with the mentoring program.

Spice

Ron_L
01-30-2008, 04:33 PM
I would love to mentor 13th place chicken

Hi Sled! Nice to see you! We've missed you.

We would be willing to mentor anyone who has a name ending in "ski".....

Our family name was Lewandowski until my grandfather changed it. Does that count? :-D

OK... Back on topic. I think it's a great idea. Many of us do this informally already. A forum for teams to offer mentoring or rookies looking for a mentor would be great. Maybe there should be another forum (or subforum) for guys looking for teams or teams looking for members.

CharlieBeasley
01-30-2008, 04:37 PM
I would echo Phil I know from a hard fought weekend with two good friends that all it takes is once to get the bug. Slow to act but would gladly pay my dues by learning then mentoring. This is why I voted great concept Phil. Thanks

bbqbull
01-30-2008, 04:39 PM
Another awesome vision from our Fearless Leader Phil Rizzardi!

Welcome to the greatest forum on the planet.

tonto1117
01-30-2008, 04:40 PM
I think it is a Great idea!!!! I too remember going to my first contest and taking a look around and thinking "what in the world have I gotten us into". Fortunatley there was alot of "seasoned" competitors that made a point of introducing themselves and saying if there's anything you need or have any questions just ask....I was blown away at their generosity. I am still new on the scene, and still learning, but if I saw a new team at a comp, I would defintley say howdy and let them know if they needed somthing or had a question I could answer, not to hesitate.

Great Idea Poobah....I say pass it foward!!! :cool:

ggriffi
01-30-2008, 04:41 PM
Phil,

This is a great idea. For us anyway, we could probably fit all the categories,(mentoring,needing mentoring, looking for team mates). I'll keep watch for the new category

KC_Bobby
01-30-2008, 04:42 PM
Anyone that wants to mentor me near KC, just let me know when and where. Like anything else, the more I've learned, the more I realize their's more to learn.

butts a fire
01-30-2008, 04:43 PM
Sounds like a great Idea to me I know it would have been real helpful a couple of years ago when I started competing.

Pig Headed
01-30-2008, 04:47 PM
I concur. Great idea. This is what makes this pursuit (sport?) so great. I haven't met a nicer bunch of folks as the teams that compete.

SmokeInDaEye
01-30-2008, 04:49 PM
Great idea. I'd love to be mentored.

Bbq Bubba
01-30-2008, 04:50 PM
Another awesome vision from our Fearless Leader Phil Rizzardi!

Welcome to the greatest forum on the planet.


The KCBS doesn't know what they missed not having PR on the B.O.D.

Confirming what Tonto stated, had we not been so welcomed at our first comp., we may have not done another!
I think this is a great idea and a great way to promote BBQ !:biggrin:

MoKanMeathead
01-30-2008, 05:01 PM
We try to help out anyone that wants help - and that include anything from answering a question to having them cook with us. I enjoy seeing someone "getting hooked". We even had Jeff (Big Creek) come and cook with us - of course this didn't prepare him at all for his first contest at the American Royal.

Formalizing this is a great idea Phil. We are in!

K I N G P I N
01-30-2008, 05:22 PM
Can I get "LIGHTER OF THE FLAME" or perhaps "KEEPER OF THE FLAME" on my tag line???

Just kidding, but I am glad to have been of service. My idea of ribs in the old days was parboiling them, slapping sauce on and finishing them on on my gasser.
Wow, have I changed the way I cook and it's all because of StevenRaichlen.
I read the book like a novel, front to back and realized...I CAN DO THIS.

Now I have met you guys and I made ABT's in Monday Night for a group of friends, they were floored on how good they were.

THANKS GO TO ALL OF YOU

to allll who said I could join their teams, I have nothing but a positive feeling for this site.

I don't have a fancy smoker, just a propane Great Outdoors smoker. IMHO it makes good que.

Phil glad I could be of help and I am dying to meet some of you guys as well.

nancee
01-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Phil,
Greg and I have probably mentored more people that anyone. We have done this via the NEBS mentoring program primarily. Some have stayed around; most have moved on to form there own teams or show up when they can get free or disappeared into the woodwork. Some have come back to help us with the long distance events. So yes, it is a great idea and anyone interested is always welcome in the Turtle Pit. We even let people do more than wash dishes (note: this has not always been such a good idea). LOL...we also do generally all the NEBS events and the NY/PA/NJ events if we can get in.
Nancee

Solidkick
01-30-2008, 05:46 PM
I have always viewed the Brethren Banner as a " Welcome Mat ", a home so to speak where you can always find a handshake, a beer, a good laugh and a wealth of information. I have never hesitated to approach a team flying the banner knowing that I would be greeted with a warm welcome.

Team Q has mentored in the past. It was amazing how people who really want to improve their BBQ will absorb as much knowledge as they can and turn around and do extremely well at their next contest. Watching them get their walk is the pay off. I would encourage all the Brethren who compete regularly to help with the mentoring program.

Spice

I was quick with my "sounds good to me".....what I should have said was "pay it forward"....when the Belly Brothers competed in their very first KCBS contest, we were fortunate to have the 3 Little Pigs bbq team from the KC area take us under their wing and share very valuable information that in some fashion or another is still used today.

In respect to Jay's comments, there is a large Brethren banner flying contingency here in the mid Missouri area, and I can't think of one team that is not willing to help another team, them being a new team asking for advise, or needing to borrow something, etc.

"Pay it forward"....if the Belly Brothers are cooking, you are more than welcome anytime.....hell, I'll even tell you how Great Grills does their chicken!! OK, maybe not at your first contest.....:mrgreen:

watg?
01-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Phil,
I too think this is a great idea. Having just completed our rookie year with our new team, I can say without a doubt, without my mentor, it would have been a whole lot more stressfull. I lurked on this and other forums for a long time before finally making the first move and entering a competition. Having someone show you the ropes is a huge help with the entire process. Offering a place where you can hook up the mentor and the protege is a win win. I think it will also serve to bring others into the sport that may have been hesitant in the past. Even if the realationship never gets to be a "hands on" personal one, (actively cooking a contest), having someone to bouce thoughts and ideas off of via e mail or telephone is a big help, just like this forum but a little more personal. Great idea!!

Mrs. Sawdust
01-30-2008, 06:21 PM
Team Q has mentored in the past. It was amazing how people who really want to improve their BBQ will absorb as much knowledge as they can and turn around and do extremely well at their next contest. Watching them get their walk is the pay off. I would encourage all the Brethren who compete regularly to help with the mentoring program.

Spice


The Two Fat Polocks say "Word Up On That":-D

CharlieBeasley
01-30-2008, 06:31 PM
Phil what about a spread sheet or something to lay out providers, contacts, etc that way it will not be such a cluster to keep up with (willing to help here if you need it. Also maybe we need a leadership group to workit. Sorry if it sound like workbut I will gladly help.

Plowboy
01-30-2008, 06:40 PM
I'm down.

I agree that it's a welcome mat. When people see the banner and know it, they come in to visit. Love having our banner about.

Tinybud
01-30-2008, 06:41 PM
This sounds like a great idea. When we first started competing, we had no idea what we were getting into, Never visited a comp. Went to Cabela's in Hamburg, PA, talked to Big Phil, and he talked me right into, simply put, hell of a good time, pay the entrance fee, and have a good time. If I would have found the forum before that first contest, I'm sure I would have been more prepared. But the teams around us, helped us a ton. Especially Tom from christmas city. Then last year, we had Red Todd cooking with us at Dover, and I learn allot.
Althou we don't have allot of awards, (only one), We've competed in 6 events, I'd be more than willing to help anyone anyway I can, or take on a mentor, as I'm sure there is allot more I could learn. OR even combine efforst with someone else to share cost or whatever. It all sounds good to me.

Bud's BBQ
01-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Phil, count us in - a great idea. In our early days of competition, there was this great guy on Long Island who took an entire Saturday afternoon to show us the heart and soul of the Brethern. We fly the Brethern flag very proudly and value the comradery almost as much as walking. We would gladly 'mentor' any new team.

bud

nancee
01-30-2008, 07:35 PM
Team Q has mentored in the past. It was amazing how people who really want to improve their BBQ will absorb as much knowledge as they can and turn around and do extremely well at their next contest. Watching them get their walk is the pay off. I would encourage all the Brethren who compete regularly to help with the mentoring program.

Spice


made me laugh. some years ago, at harpoon, we mentored a couple that was interested in learning how to compete; complete newbies. well, they came back the next year and won GC in both BBQ and Grilling. Should we name names?

matthew burt
01-30-2008, 08:58 PM
sounds like a great idea.
matt

Jeff_in_KC
01-30-2008, 09:12 PM
Could I get another mentor? I wasn't listening the first time. :wink:

Seriously, this is a great idea, Phil. How about promoting it at contests with some sort of sticker that can go on our Brethren banner such as "BBQ Brethren Official Mentor" (with the Web address) or something of the sort. It will be sure to cause questions to be asked when people see it and give us a perfect opportunity to introduce this forum and the program. A fantastic chance to show the Brethren are actively contributing to the future of BBQ.

I only need to think back to my start three years ago. My first contest visit was at Warsaw when I visited Jay and the guys of Team Q. They tossed me right into the fire (well, not literally but I knew I wanted a Spicewine after that!). I even had to use a knife or something to hold brisket slices to keep them from falling over while Brian sliced them. I recall being nervous as a hooker in church! I helped with break down of camp and attended the awards with Team Q. I was hooked! I then visited Columbia in July and got to meet Kick and the guys and finally in September, I spent a lot of time at Blue Springs with Wayne, Bob and the Meatheads. (That contest changed my life forever... prior to getting to know these guys, I only received a fraction of the chit that I have since! :twisted::lol: But it's worth it!) All you guys played significant roles in our progress in competitive BBQ. Wayne, you say you didn't help me much at the Royal, but honestly, you really did and how you have helped me since then (even through last year) is something I don't think I could ever place a value on. It just has meant that much to me.

OK so after being so long-winded, I'm all for "passing it forward" and helping out with this great idea! Way to go, Phil!

slat
01-30-2008, 09:40 PM
I'd be willing to help anyone. This is a great idea.

BBQchef33
01-30-2008, 10:03 PM
Well, i guess thats the consensus... . I will start putting the forum together.

txschutte
01-30-2008, 10:18 PM
Phil, you farkin ROCK!! I have been toying with the idea of going bigger with the comps, but have been worried about what I don't know. This will be a great tool for me to find some team that will let me run boxes or do dishes in exchange for a little experience. Thanks.

bigabyte
01-30-2008, 10:21 PM
Can't wait to see it. I think it is a fantastic idea. Just getting into competition myself really, and only have one competition set up so far this year. I would certainly be interested in helping another team by being a runner or whatever they could use my help with. I am still a sponge, absorbing in lots of info. Soemtimes I think I have good info to share (OK, maybe lots of times I think that), but really, I could still learn a lot more, especially when it comes to comps.

HoDeDo
01-30-2008, 10:25 PM
We try to help out anyone that wants help - and that include anything from answering a question to having them cook with us. I enjoy seeing someone "getting hooked". We even had Jeff (Big Creek) come and cook with us - of course this didn't prepare him at all for his first contest at the American Royal.

Formalizing this is a great idea Phil. We are in!

I keep trying to get Wayne to Mentor me, but he's just tooooo busy. Hopefully he will teach me something next week @ Melvern!

I'm down.

I agree that it's a welcome mat. When people see the banner and know it, they come in to visit. Love having our banner about.

I meet new brethren at just about every contest I attend. Some planned ( like Model Maker when in Iowa) Some accidental, like seeing Dave's brethren gear @ Cameron ( Rookie 48 ) and calling him over for a beer. And of course, Jay and the Team Q boys are always ready to offer up a warm welcome, and help out anyway they can. Heck - last year he saved my butt when I needed a calibrated thermometer to validate mine in the trail cook on my Traeger Smokehouse. And cant go wrong with those peanuts...

Well, i guess thats the consensus... . I will start putting the forum together.

Count me in too... Great idea!

Bigmista
01-30-2008, 10:34 PM
I think this is a great idea! Our area always gathers lots of visitors and we are always willing to share. I would definitely be willing to mentor someone. I believe I have mentored a few folx already in some small way. I know there are a few people out there who never would have competed without my prodding and they are getting walks already. Always happy to help!

JohnMcD348
01-30-2008, 10:53 PM
I kinda always thought this place was a mentoring facility. Ever since I joined I have been mentored online and in person by alot of Brethrens. They've always been willing to help and push me along in the direction I need to take. Even in the wee hours of the night during some of my first cooks when I was worried about my Brisket, I logged on, posted a question or concern and within a few minutes I'd have an answer.
I'd be willing to help out any way I can. I'm far from great but I at least now have a pretty good clue and alot of friends here.

SloppyQ
01-30-2008, 11:05 PM
If ya want to learn Sloppys way, come on down. I'm game on helping anyone who wants to learn. I've had some great mentors most of them Brethren. Thanks Jay, Jeff, Wayne , Andy, Todd, Kick, Mark, Becky, Fitz, John, Bob, Steve and I'm sure I missed some. Good idea Phil.
On Edit,Sorry I can't leave out Bubba and Jeff.

Spydermike72
01-31-2008, 04:45 AM
Count me in too!! I may need to hook up with the Smokin Scottsmen first, so I can learn!! :cool:

Dale P
01-31-2008, 05:24 AM
You guys are great, I got a gazzillion questions for each and everyone of you.

tonto1117
01-31-2008, 06:02 AM
Count me in too!! I may need to hook up with the Smokin Scottsmen first, so I can learn!! :cool:

Anytime Mike, it would be our pleasure!!

CajunSmoker
01-31-2008, 06:29 AM
I kinda always thought this place was a mentoring facility. Ever since I joined I have been mentored online and in person by alot of Brethrens. They've always been willing to help and push me along in the direction I need to take. Even in the wee hours of the night during some of my first cooks when I was worried about my Brisket, I logged on, posted a question or concern and within a few minutes I'd have an answer.
I'd be willing to help out any way I can. I'm far from great but I at least now have a pretty good clue and alot of friends here.


That's my feelings to John:cool: I'm new to the comp game and I appreciate all the help I've been getting. I think this is a great idea.:cool:

River City Smokehouse
01-31-2008, 07:42 AM
This sounds like a great idea. I'm looking forward to see how this pans out.

Bbq Bubba
01-31-2008, 08:20 AM
Count me in too!! I may need to hook up with the Smokin Scottsmen first, so I can learn!! :cool:

How to drink Tequila??? :eek::mrgreen::cool:

Dustaway
01-31-2008, 08:52 AM
I think it's a great idea count me in

BBQchef33
01-31-2008, 09:05 AM
tequilla??

Did someone say Tequilla?

Porky
01-31-2008, 09:24 AM
Hi Phil,

The mentoring thing with the exception of the specific forum is already working. I spoke with Sledneck earlier this week and asked him for his help in detail for the first contest I will be entering on my own. I am planning to enter the contest that is down in Ft Lauderdale, assuming they have it in '08. I will be moving to West palm Bch at some point this year and hope to be there by contest time. Of course he said sure he would, no problem.
After helping Steve this past October in Sayville and him coming in 4th overall I was hooked. I loved the whole experience and want to now share it with others. One of my nephews lives near my place in Fl and loves cooking outdoors and I have already enlisted his help.
I gues what I am trying to say is that this ONE GREAT IDEA, thanks Phil. I am looking forward to the new forum.

swamprb
01-31-2008, 10:09 AM
So how do you start a Topic in the Team Mentoring Sub Forum? I took a look at the NEBS site, is there a Forum that discusses new teams? I'm always looking for info. The BBQ action here in the PNW is kind of dead, we're down to one organization since the WBBQA shut down.

Transformer BBQ
01-31-2008, 10:18 AM
So how do you start a Topic in the Team Mentoring Sub Forum? I took a look at the NEBS site, is there a Forum that discusses new teams? I'm always looking for info. The BBQ action here in the PNW is kind of dead, we're down to one organization since the WBBQA shut down.


There is a link on the NEBS site;

http://www.nebs.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=89&Itemid=37

and once someone emails what they are interested in, an attempt is made to make a match. I've not been involved in this, but I know Nancee and Greg (Purple Turtle) have been heavily involved in the past. The NEBS program is geared a lot towards making introductions for those who don't know anyone who competes... where as with the Brethern-- you've already been introduced.

I would suggest shooting jminion a PM, I would imagine he could answer every question you had about bbq and the PNW

BBQchef33
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
So how do you start a Topic in the Team Mentoring Sub Forum?


The new forum is created, and I am working on the formats and instructions on how we can do it.

They will be opened sometime today.

I see it as 2 main types of threads......

A team 'Registering" in the forum by starting a thread with the title being a team name and location. The first post can be the teams bio, what they have available, what a volunteers responsibilities may be, etc.. volunteers can then can add to that thread. A team also can register for mentoring at a specific contest.

Volyunteers/mentees can register buy putting a post with their locatons and availability. But im not sure if that necessary. I wowuld think that as teams post their scheules or contest come up, that the mentee's would just sign up withthe teams..

any thoughts on how we can do this are welcome.

We will just wing it at first to get started. We can make up the format and rules as we go along.

I will open them up shortly.

tonto1117
01-31-2008, 10:31 AM
tequilla??

Did someone say Tequilla?

Oh yeah!!!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3586/cabowaboreposado07r4dp8.jpg
:-D :-D :-D :-D

Spydermike72
01-31-2008, 11:13 AM
How to drink Tequila??? :eek::mrgreen::cool:

Oh no, I stay away from ToKillya, too many bad memories from my Navy days :eek:

Bbq Bubba
01-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Oh yeah!!!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3586/cabowaboreposado07r4dp8.jpg
:-D :-D :-D :-D

I was thinking more along the line's of...............

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4509/thumbnailsp1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ron_L
01-31-2008, 11:27 AM
Can you two please stop posting suggestive pictures! I'm weak... Soooo weak... :rolleyes:

swamprb
01-31-2008, 11:35 AM
This is great Phil! I was a wannabe hanging out in Q-Talk and asked if anyone was going to be competing at Pikes Place Market last year and Tim King from Crackerjacks invited me to hang out with them, that was my first time and to hear them get their names called a few times at the end of the day made it even better!

TOPS BBQ
01-31-2008, 11:43 AM
I think it's a great idea. I'd love to be mentored out here on the West Coast...

Larry,

I didn't know you were in need of help. Just ask brother.8)

I am all for the mentoring program. Even though I have only competed in five comps, I believe I have a wealth of knowledge to share for newbies. I have cooked on another team and have had someone cook on ours.

Just waiting for the site to be activated, so I can join up. I was excited to see that I was going to be the first team to sighn up, but it just hadn't been setup yet.:oops:

ZILLA
01-31-2008, 12:37 PM
I like it. I think that having each team start a thread is a great way to go.

Pin them in place and have them include:

Team name
Bio
Web site
Upcoming events
Location info
Sanctioning body info
Contact info

We can take each event on a case by case basis as far as what we are able to do or not do at that event.

I'm ready to go. Just add the thread button. I'll tell Texana later.

BBQchef33
01-31-2008, 01:40 PM
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