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Sledneck
10-03-2007, 09:39 PM
Do you have to renew your membership every year to stay active as a CBJ?

KC_Bobby
10-03-2007, 10:19 PM
Yes

too short of message - I must add a character :eek:

Merl
10-03-2007, 10:28 PM
The Board voted in Feb 07 that Reps were to check the status of CBJ's. If you are not a member of KCBS, then you can't be a KCBS CBJ. However the membership cards have not been made available. This process should begin in 08.

But its not really about Reps checking, its about if you want to hold yourself out as a member and thus a CBJ, then you should be proud enought to be a member and pay yours dues.

At least that is my opinion.
Merl
PS obviously you are one of those who want to be a KCBS member and CBJ in good standing. Thank you for asking.

Plowboy
10-03-2007, 10:30 PM
The Board voted in Feb 07 that Reps were to check the status of CBJ's. If you are not a member of KCBS, then you can't be a KCBS CBJ. However the membership cards have not been made available. This process should begin in 08.

But its not really about Reps checking, its about if you want to hold yourself out as a member and thus a CBJ, then you should be proud enought to be a member and pay yours dues.

At least that is my opinion.
Merl
PS obviously you are one of those who want to be a KCBS member and CBJ in good standing. Thank you for asking.

Hey Merl, I noticed on the new KCBS site that the Our Members link goes to a team list. Members are more than just cooks. You may want to pass that along. They should either change the landing page or the name of the link to Our Teams or something.

Sorry for the hijack, but it seemed relevant.

Sledneck
10-03-2007, 10:33 PM
The Board voted in Feb 07 that Reps were to check the status of CBJ's. If you are not a member of KCBS, then you can't be a KCBS CBJ. However the membership cards have not been made available. This process should begin in 08.

But its not really about Reps checking, its about if you want to hold yourself out as a member and thus a CBJ, then you should be proud enought to be a member and pay yours dues.

At least that is my opinion.
Merl
PS obviously you are one of those who want to be a KCBS member and CBJ in good standing. Thank you for asking.I did renew my status but only as a single. My wife is a CBJ as well had i known that was the rule i would of renewed as a family for just a few more bucks. I thought the only difference was that we recieved two bullsheets when we were both members. can i upgrade and pay the difference?

acorette
10-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Anyone know the requirements for maintaining Judge status (besides keeping KCBS membership current)? Do we have to judge so many contests per year or whatever? Do we need to renew judge-ship by taking a refresher class every so often, or are we a judge for life so long as we are a KCBS member?

Thanks!

Aaron
8 Ball and the 'Que Sticks
newly CBJ

Westexbbq
10-04-2007, 01:48 PM
Anyone know the requirements for maintaining Judge status (besides keeping KCBS membership current)? Do we have to judge so many contests per year or whatever? Do we need to renew judge-ship by taking a refresher class every so often, or are we a judge for life so long as we are a KCBS member?

Thanks!

Aaron
8 Ball and the 'Que Sticks
newly CBJ


There is no quota as far as I know, never heard or read of such a requirement.
I think you can sit in on a new class anytime you want if you feel the need to re-fresh.
I'll bet Linda Mullane might be a good source to confirm.

KC_Bobby
10-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Yeap, certified judges can attend class as a refresher - on the house and I think that's great!

billm
10-04-2007, 02:20 PM
The Board voted in Feb 07 that Reps were to check the status of CBJ's. If you are not a member of KCBS, then you can't be a KCBS CBJ. However the membership cards have not been made available. This process should begin in 08.

But its not really about Reps checking, its about if you want to hold yourself out as a member and thus a CBJ, then you should be proud enought to be a member and pay yours dues.

At least that is my opinion.
Merl
PS obviously you are one of those who want to be a KCBS member and CBJ in good standing. Thank you for asking.
not to start a dispute but Im a CBJ and have to wonder why paying 30 some bucks a year would make me a better judge than those that do not( meaning those who ARE CBJ's but let their membership lapse?)

Roo-B-Q'N
10-04-2007, 02:46 PM
billm read Merl's post again. You ARE NOT a CBJ if you do not take pride enough to be a due paying member of the sanctioniong body. In this case KCBS.

To be a member of KCBS your yearly dues are $30.00 CBJ or not.

billm
10-04-2007, 02:53 PM
billm read Merl's post again. You ARE NOT a CBJ if you do not take pride enough to be a due paying member of the sanctioniong body. In this case KCBS.

To be a member of KCBS your yearly dues are $30.00 CBJ or not.
Im not trying to be the devils advocate here but that still makes no sense to me..I thought all you had to do was take the CBJ class to be a CBJ?

Roo-B-Q'N
10-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Im not trying to be the devils advocate here but that still makes no sense to me..I thought all you had to do was take the CBJ class to be a CBJ?

You do have to take the class to be a CBJ. You also have to be a member of the sanctioning body to continue that honor.

Just like being a Shriner that drive the little cars in parade's. They pay for the cars, the outfits and the neat little red hats. PLUS they pay their dues to their shrine. I don't think any of them would show up to participate in a parade if they didn't continue in good standing with their shrine.

billm
10-04-2007, 04:44 PM
well i could give another analogy..I play handball and paticipate in USHA sanctioned handball tournaments but dont have to belong to the sanctioning body which is the USHA to ref a match at a tournament or play in a tournament...
but thats about as bbq related as shriners so...
to keep it in the bbq world here is another
I also cook in KCBS comps (in fact more than I judge) and dont have to be a KCBS member to cook in contests but do if i want to judge? Still scratching my head...but it is what it is i guess

Sledneck
10-04-2007, 04:52 PM
I also cook in KCBS comps (in fact more than I judge) and dont have to be a KCBS member to cook in contests but do if i want to judge? Still scratching my head...but it is what it is i guess
To cook in the sanctioned ICS chili contest this summer we had to join ICS. To compete in the NEBS grilling you have to be a NEBS member but to cook in KCBS its open. I do both but a competitor while still laying out a bunch of money including the entry fee has a chance to walk away with some winning. A judge on the other hand pays for all of his/her own travel expenses, spend a day of their own time gets to eat a bunch of food but has to be a member hmmmmmmmm:confused:

Merl
10-04-2007, 05:11 PM
I did renew my status but only as a single. My wife is a CBJ as well had i known that was the rule i would of renewed as a family for just a few more bucks. I thought the only difference was that we recieved two bullsheets when we were both members. can i upgrade and pay the difference?

Sledneck, the family membership is discounted the cost of the Bullsheet, because the office will only mail you one copy. I bet if you call, you can upgrade to a family membership.

When you take the class for the 1st time everyone must join. There is no family membership at that time. Thereafter, the family rate is offered.

There is no requirement as to how many times you must judge. You are invited at NO CHARGE to audit any CBJ class offered anywhere by KCBS. I think this is a great benefit to our members. Of course you do have to be a member in good standing (pay dues) to enjoy this opportunity.

To put it simply. There is no such thing as a CBJ! MIMs trains judges and you are then a trained MIM judge. IBCA has training and you are an IBCA Judge.

KCBS CBJ's have the title of CBJ while they are members of KCBS. If your not a member then your a lay person who has some training and experience.

I think this discussion it great. I hope to see some audit my classes in the future.

Yours in Q
Merl

MilitantSquatter
10-04-2007, 06:38 PM
I agree with ya Sled.. the merits of requiring KCBS membership to enter a KCBS sanctioned contest seems totally logical but for some reason (I don't recall but it was mentioned KCBS doesn't forsee doing that). Maybe it was that KCBS is hoping to not turn off new members in hopes that after they compete they will sign up. Maybe they do, and it would seem feasible for KCBS to track this if they truly wanted to.

I've been part of several athletic organizations, and to participate in any sanctioned competition, you had to be a good standing member. I don't think the annual membership fee turned off many from entering an event the first time.

A logical revenue booster IMO.

The_Kapn
10-04-2007, 07:08 PM
not to start a dispute but Im a CBJ and have to wonder why paying 30 some bucks a year would make me a better judge than those that do not( meaning those who ARE CBJ's but let their membership lapse?)

Maybe not about being a better judge.
Maybe about giving a chit about the sanctioning body and the whole process?
I do not know.

I do know that every organization I have judged for required membership.
Maybe it is a "professioal" kinda thing?

TIM

billm
10-05-2007, 07:45 AM
Maybe not about being a better judge.
Maybe about giving a chit about the sanctioning body and the whole process?
I do not know.

I do know that every organization I have judged for required membership.
Maybe it is a "professioal" kinda thing?

TIM
my point is..why make it mandatory for judges only? Why not cooks?

Sledneck
10-05-2007, 07:48 AM
my point is..why make it mandatory for judges only? Why not cooks?
exactly.

billm
10-05-2007, 08:00 AM
exactly.

dont get me wrong..im not for any MANDATORY dues or payments of any kind..the government burdens us with enough of that ..
but I am in favor of supporting organizations KCBS on a volunteer basis where something is given back to the supporting members in return..which is why i keep my membership up to date..but i understand why some dont want it as lot of people just flat out dont see the membership as anything more than a yearly subscription to the Bullsheet. I think the KCBS should push the other benefits of proper membership or advertise more loudly how membership bucks are being used to the members benefit whether they are cooks, judges, or both. That may attract more renewals and new memberships
i dont think taking away something like judging from people who were previously able to judge for free is the answer. I look at them more as volunteers anyway

Sledneck
10-05-2007, 08:03 AM
Its so much more than the bullsheet It should be mandatory

billm
10-05-2007, 08:06 AM
Its so much more than the bullsheet It should be mandatory
i know it is..but a lot of people dont think so..they need to advertise what that "much more" is

swamprb
10-06-2007, 04:42 AM
Well I joined KCBS when I took the judging class in April of this year and received my first Bullsheet along with the CBJ badge just last month,I've judged 2 comps to date and at one they were checking membership, and I was pretty nervous about not getting to judge as they had an overwhelming turnout and I'd driven 6 hours to do so. When does my membership expire? Do you get a reminder?

Spydermike72
10-06-2007, 05:42 AM
Brian,
Your membership is good for one year, and yes, you will get a reminder from the KCBS.