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Sawdustguy
09-12-2007, 04:40 PM
Nice. That really doesn't seem outrageous. Do you know what brand of trailer the use for the base? And is there a website available?

We're working with Klose Pits for a couple smaller units to load/unload via an electric winch. The pit we have is big. Too big for experimental cooks. Besides, with a little one on the way - I doubt highly that weekends will be dedicated to catering and vending. Competition is a family event already. Looking to do more of it in the future. (Can't wait for the first picture with bbq sauce all over his/her face:) And a cargo trailer will have plenty of room for the pack n' play....

Thanks.

I know you have a relationship with Dave Klose so I won't try to sway you to another manufacturer. If Dave Klose is going to manufacture the pit may I suggest he make some sort of airtight insulated vertical that a BBQ Guru or Stoker can control so you can sleep at night. As an example, we can run our Spicewine on 2 1/2 bags of charcoal for well over 24 hours at 225*. You can set any temperature you want and the cooker will lock at that temperature. We had a Lang 84D and got tired of the stick burner real fast. Sleep is a good thing at a contest.

we'll smoke u
09-12-2007, 04:51 PM
I agree with Sawdustguy a insulated virtical is the way to go. acouple of hour of sleep during comp is very nice.

Jeff Hughes
09-13-2007, 08:16 AM
I agree with Sawdustguy a insulated virtical is the way to go. acouple of hour of sleep during comp is very nice.

I get over five hours sleep at every comp using my Klose charcoal basket...

we'll smoke u
09-13-2007, 03:03 PM
I get over five hours sleep at every comp using my Klose charcoal basket...


How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket.


I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.

The Giggler
09-13-2007, 04:31 PM
How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket.


I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.

We have been getting 1.5-2 hours of sleep after stoking. No doubt, the insulated verticals are efficient. My WSM pratically runs itself, and I often cook shoulder for catering overnight without giving it a second thought.

It is fun cooking with quartered logs though, even with the extra maintenance. Besides, you get excercise from splitting, stacking, and loading. And that cancels out all those extra calories from eating Q!:-P

Jeff Hughes
09-13-2007, 09:58 PM
How much sleep are you getting with out your charcoal basket?

I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.


I was not saying horizontals are not good I just find that the verticals work better for me. I get a 15 to 20 hour burn on my small vertical and 20 to 24 hour burn with my big smoker.I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

Sawdustguy
09-13-2007, 10:30 PM
I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.


I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

I couldn't disagree with you more. With todays highly insulated pits and electronic controls there is no reason to stay up and keep watch on your pit at all. The electronics has alarms for pit high temp, low temp etc. Do you think Pellet Envy stays up all night to keep watch on his FEC100's?

ique
09-14-2007, 08:05 AM
When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.


I think some do, some don't. At a comp I like to check in on things every four hours even though my Backwoods/Gurus run unattended for an easy 12hrs.

If I had a nice off-set like a Klose, Horizon or Meadow Creek I'd be looking at the power cooking method, putting the big meats on at 4am.

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 08:30 AM
I couldn't disagree with you more. With todays highly insulated pits and electronic controls there is no reason to stay up and keep watch on your pit at all. The electronics has alarms for pit high temp, low temp etc. Do you think Pellet Envy stays up all night to keep watch on his FEC100's?

I bet he gets up every few hour and checks his pit. It is not unheard of to blow a fuse or a breaker, or for a control panel to go out. I have a lot of friends that cook on FECs, they all check their cookers more than every eight hours.

I never said I stay up all night checking my pit, if you read my post you would see that my point was that I don't have to.

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 08:33 AM
I think some do, some don't. At a comp I like to check in on things every four hours even though my Backwoods/Gurus run unattended for an easy 12hrs.

If I had a nice off-set like a Klose, Horizon or Meadow Creek I'd be looking at the power cooking method, putting the big meats on at 4am.

I'm working on power cooking. I cook around Buffalo, Head Country II, and Twin Oaks all the time. Those guys all power cook. They also win a lot.

The Giggler
09-14-2007, 08:54 AM
I'm working on power cooking. I cook around Buffalo, Head Country II, and Twin Oaks all the time. Those guys all power cook. They also win a lot.

What's power cooking? High temps, shorter times? I am unfamiliar with the nomenclature, help a Brethren out.

ique
09-14-2007, 09:11 AM
What's power cooking? High temps, shorter times? I am unfamiliar with the nomenclature, help a Brethren out.

Yes cooking at ~350*. Usually just a couple of hours in the smoke and then foil with a total cook time on butts/briskets of about 5 hrs. If you want to take a class on this check out Myron Mixon's classes.

we'll smoke u
09-14-2007, 06:16 PM
I'm not trying to sleep when I'm playing with fire and drinking and hanging out with my buddies.

When it's time for sleep, I break out the basket. In a comp you better be checking your pit every five hours or so no matter your cooker.


I cook on an Egg at home all the time. 12 hour burns are the norm. That kind of sleep is great, but not matter at a contest.

Your comment was about comp cooking, not the need for a 20 hour burn.

My comment was not about cooking it was about getting some shut eye.I have a couple of buddies that cook on a klose and they are stoking it every 1.5 to 2 hours. They turn out some good grub but are dragging a$$ in the morning.To each his own I like verticals and you like klose.

Sawdustguy
09-14-2007, 06:26 PM
I bet he gets up every few hour and checks his pit. It is not unheard of to blow a fuse or a breaker, or for a control panel to go out. I have a lot of friends that cook on FECs, they all check their cookers more than every eight hours.

I never said I stay up all night checking my pit, if you read my post you would see that my point was that I don't have to.

I don't check mine either Jeff.

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 06:38 PM
My comment was not about cooking it was about getting some shut eye.I have a couple of buddies that cook on a klose and they are stoking it every 1.5 to 2 hours. They turn out some good grub but are dragging a$$ in the morning.To each his own I like verticals and you like klose.

My only point is that stick burners do not have to stay up all night either.

If your buddies bought a charcoal basket, they could get some sleep like you guys with other pit designs.

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 06:40 PM
I don't check mine either Jeff.

That's cool, risky in my eyes no matter what cooker you have, but totally cool.

MilitantSquatter
09-14-2007, 07:24 PM
Mod Note - Moved dissussion on sleep at contests/pit preference from other thread by The Giggler regarding brands of trailers for contests...

Ron_L
09-14-2007, 07:28 PM
I was wondering why it seemed to start in the middle of a conversation :-D

With the reverse flow offset that Bob (mrb1986) built we can run two hours easiiy before it needs tending (Actually longer, but why take a chance). We sleep in shifts. With three of us at a comp each can get 4 hours easily.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
09-14-2007, 07:39 PM
I am currently working with another BRETHEREN to make me a couple of baskets for both my uprights and my verticals.Is this a case of size does matter? more fuel holding = more sleep? Me , I guru so it helps, but you still need a large enough "gas tank"! My veritcals have a smaller cooking area(yours may not) and makes cooking a packer brisket hard to fit. I guess what I am tring to say is...as with all things in life are not there pro's and cons????good luck and let me know what a little guy can do to hang with the big dogs and get a good cat nap!!!!!

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 07:47 PM
I am currently working with another BRETHEREN to make me a couple of baskets for both my uprights and my verticals.Is this a case of size does matter? more fuel holding = more sleep? Me , I guru so it helps, but you still need a large enough "gas tank"! My veritcals have a smaller cooking area(yours may not) and makes cooking a packer brisket hard to fit. I guess what I am tring to say is...as with all things in life are not there pro's and cons????good luck and let me know what a little guy can do to hang with the big dogs and get a good cat nap!!!!!

A charcoal basket allows for a "Minion Method" type of burn.

I'm not a Guru guy and I know nothing of your cookers, but I bet a good basket and the Guru would greatly increase you sleep hours.

AlabamaGrillBillies
09-14-2007, 07:50 PM
With a good basket and a decent offset, sleep is possible. Check out this link:
http://www.bbqnuts.com/2006_04_15/charcoal_basket_new.htm

4hrs burn time in an OK Joe's Longhorn using a Klose basket.

I'm guessing a 1/4" thick backyard style pitt (say a 24x48 ) could run 5 hrs with a good basket design like a klose and with good charcoal instead of lump.


I love my stick burner, and will probably be cooking on one forever. But that being said, if and when I have the money for a FEC 100, I will sure have one.

Jeff Hughes
09-14-2007, 08:11 PM
I'm guessing a 1/4" thick backyard style pitt (say a 24x48 ) could run 5 hrs with a good basket design like a klose and with good charcoal instead of lump.



I get 5 hours no problem, 275-300, using Ozark Oak lump.

Tinybud
09-14-2007, 08:36 PM
I know when using my southern yankee, I stay up all night and babysit it, it can be stubborn at times keeping temps where I want it. But that is one of the things I enjoy about it. Man and fire, no help..lol..But I don't have any problems the next morning, staying up all night don't bother me. Now I can use my meadow creek PR-60, and with about 40-50lbs of charcoal, can get it up to 250. close most of the vents down, and it'll stay there for about 9hrs without moving. Which one I use depends on how far I'm traveling for a comp, the southern yankee is a bit too big to go too far, no more than 3hrs from the house for me on that one. That's mainly for mass production.

CTSmokehouse
09-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Who needs sleep at a comp...? I'm used to taking one for the team ... But what I'm reading here sounds really good...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

Sawdustguy
09-14-2007, 08:58 PM
Who needs sleep at a comp...? I'm used to taking one for the team ... But what I'm reading here sounds really good...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

I am definetly getting older. At New Paltz I was the first to fall asleep in my chair. Gary and Michele said it must have been 9:00. I remember nursing a full beer in my hand. No wonder I woke up at 4 AM feeling cold and wet. I found the bottle about 3/4 empty sitting in my lap. :icon_blush:

we'll smoke u
09-14-2007, 09:44 PM
A charcoal basket allows for a "Minion Method" type of burn.

I'm not a Guru guy and I know nothing of your cookers, but I bet a good basket and the Guru would greatly increase you sleep hours.


I agree 100% with Jeff when I started useing the charcoal basket it doubled even trippled my cook times.

CTSmokehouse
09-14-2007, 10:59 PM
I am definetly getting older. At New Paltz I was the first to fall asleep in my chair. Gary and Michele said it must have been 9:00. I remember nursing a full beer in my hand. No wonder I woke up at 4 AM feeling cold and wet. I found the bottle about 3/4 empty sitting in my lap. :icon_blush:

It was really nice seeing you and the team at New Paltz... I think when I came by you were in LaLaLand and so was Willie B! I can't remember getting any sleep... I was enjoying talking to all my BBQ Brethen friends too much...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

CritterCook
09-15-2007, 07:55 AM
Who can sleep anyway with those idiots in the tent ne.......Oh wait, that was me. Nevermind.

SmokeInDaEye
09-15-2007, 12:25 PM
Sleep is over rated. 3-4 hours and a little coffee and I'm ready to roll.

ique
09-15-2007, 12:48 PM
Sleep is over rated. 3-4 hours and a little coffee and I'm ready to roll.

quoted for truth

butt head
09-15-2007, 01:31 PM
if your thinkin about sleep whats the point of goin to a comp:roll:

watg?
09-15-2007, 01:34 PM
I guru with a two fan setup on my caldera tallboy, load up with a good lump and its lights out for a couple of hours. I don't sleep well and aggree with the over rated /coffee theme. (I might change it from a little coffee, to a lot of coffee) Although, have been known to saw some serious wood on saturday night!

Sawdustguy
09-15-2007, 06:18 PM
if your thinkin about sleep whats the point of goin to a comp:roll:

We don't think of going to sleep. Sleep happens on it's own.:roll: :icon_sleepy

The_Kapn
09-15-2007, 07:00 PM
if your thinkin about sleep whats the point of goin to a comp:roll:

PRIDE :lol:

I have this old fashioned attachment for "scoring well".

When we nursed the stick or charcoal burners overnight--we were exhausted during the important time on Sat.
Probably made 100 stupid mistakes or so and cost us a ton of points, prizes, and $$. :twisted:

Now, with some decent rest, we are down to about 50 stupid mistakes and the points, prizes, and $$ are going up each contest :lol:

That is why I/we love my FEC and some quality (kinda) snooze time :lol:

TIM

CTSmokehouse
09-15-2007, 07:31 PM
Sleep is over rated. 3-4 hours and a little coffee and I'm ready to roll.

Sounds like the way to go...!

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

Transformer BBQ
09-15-2007, 09:57 PM
My Lang 60 and my Stoker...

you'll see me around in the middle of the night... but I'm working on my food, working on my boxes, preping more food, drinking beers, smoking cigars, or just checking on my food. About once every 4 hours I'm touching the firebox... and if its on a more regular basis... its because I like to fidget.

Jeff Hughes
09-15-2007, 11:48 PM
My Lang 60 and my Stoker...

you'll see me around in the middle of the night... but I'm working on my food, working on my boxes, preping more food, drinking beers, smoking cigars, or just checking on my food. About once every 4 hours I'm touching the firebox... and if its on a more regular basis... its because I like to fidget.

Sounds like you have the "Tao of Fire Control" figured out...

I hope to see you on the trail...