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Puppyboy
04-01-2007, 11:08 PM
Not wanting to hi-jack Hawgsnheifers thread....

KCBS says brisket may be also be turned in chopped or pulled. Has anyone done so?

Same goes for chicken. HAs anyone chopped it or just turn in pieces?

G$
04-01-2007, 11:40 PM
Not wanting to hi-jack Hawgsnheifers thread....

KCBS says brisket may be also be turned in chopped or pulled. Has anyone done so?

Same goes for chicken. HAs anyone chopped it or just turn in pieces?

Nope, but after this weekend, seriously considering it.

Leeper
04-02-2007, 12:27 AM
I was presented an entry that was shredded once. It had been WAY overcooked but the turn in had a very nice sauce that probably helped them out. I would like to see someone turn in a great chopped or pulled entry and give the sliced guys a run for their money. I do suspect that most judges would make it down just on looks. Similar to chicken entries that are not thighs.

Jorge
04-02-2007, 12:52 AM
Not wanting to hi-jack Hawgsnheifers thread....

KCBS says brisket may be also be turned in chopped or pulled. Has anyone done so?

Same goes for chicken. HAs anyone chopped it or just turn in pieces?

Pulled/shredded but not by choice:icon_blush: Flavor scores were good, but everthing else was a beating...as it should have been. It wasn't our first choice!

parrothead
04-02-2007, 09:25 AM
I had to turned in chopped briskit once. It was excellent, but slices would not hold together. It was just as tasty as the same briskit that we had scored well in, but did not score well with this.

Plowboy
04-02-2007, 09:59 AM
I've done it twice a and placed second in brisket both times. However, I put slices in the box, too. I wanted them to see that it was a choice NOT because the brisket was overcooked, but because I could get two tastes out of the same piece of meat.

Otherwise, I think the judges interpret it as, "This brisket was overcooked and the cook couldn't get good slices." The opposite is true of supper thin slices, "This brisket was undercooked and that's why my slice is as thin as a piece of paper."

cmcadams
04-02-2007, 10:22 AM
I turn in slices of brisket along with chopped ends.

I got an entry as a judge of pulled chicken. It was horrid.... It had gotten cold, and they hadn't taken the trouble to take all the fat out of the meat. I think I gave it a 4 in appearance, 4 in texture and a 2 in taste. It was truly awful.

G$
04-02-2007, 10:41 AM
I turn in slices of brisket along with chopped ends.

I got an entry as a judge of pulled chicken. It was horrid.... It had gotten cold, and they hadn't taken the trouble to take all the fat out of the meat. I think I gave it a 4 in appearance, 4 in texture and a 2 in taste. It was truly awful.

That's weird, I have never even competed in your area! :tongue:

cmcadams
04-02-2007, 10:44 AM
G, I just mailed in my score to AZ. :)

jgh1204
04-02-2007, 11:03 AM
That's weird, I have never even competed in your area! :tongue:

We need one of those rolling laughing smilies.:biggrin:

That was funny.

Mooner
04-02-2007, 12:27 PM
I was always told that slices should be the width of a number 2 pencil. Anyone else heard of this?

River City Smokehouse
04-02-2007, 12:35 PM
I was always told that slices should be the width of a number 2 pencil. Anyone else heard of this?


That is what I've been told too. At the judging table I don't see it as a rule though. I have seen all sorts of slices, even aling the grain. (Like chewin on a football:eek: )

Bossmanbbq
04-02-2007, 12:41 PM
I turn in slices of brisket along with chopped ends.

I got an entry as a judge of pulled chicken. It was horrid.... It had gotten cold, and they hadn't taken the trouble to take all the fat out of the meat. I think I gave it a 4 in appearance, 4 in texture and a 2 in taste. It was truly awful.

What if they turned in chopped chicken but its boneless? I have seen guys do that and do real well, just trying to avoid the judges figuring out that it wasnt boneless, skinless to begin with.

Plowboy
04-02-2007, 12:56 PM
I was always told that slices should be the width of a number 2 pencil. Anyone else heard of this?

I've not heard of a #2 pencil, but 1/4" is what we've been told and follow.

Sawdustguy
04-02-2007, 01:09 PM
This weekend I had the pleasure of participating in Dr. BBQ's competition class. During the class he said one thing that really stuck in my mind: "Perception is reality". You are totally justified in submitting chopped brisket but because most submit slices the judges in their own mind may wonder why you chose to submit chopped brisket. They may think you submitted chopped because something went wrong with your cook. Remember the judges are human beings and thier perception of what you turned in becomes your reality in how they score you.

Puppyboy
04-02-2007, 01:26 PM
I was always told that slices should be the width of a number 2 pencil. Anyone else heard of this?

In KCBS Judge class this past weekend, though we were told "about the thickness of a #2 pencil", but there is no standard. It was said a thicker slice could hide the meat from being over cooked and a thinner slice could hide the meat from being under cooked.

Puppyboy
04-02-2007, 01:39 PM
What if they turned in chopped chicken but its boneless? I have seen guys do that and do real well, just trying to avoid the judges figuring out that it wasnt boneless, skinless to begin with.

As a judge, I would expect a chopped/pulled chicken entry to be bone free. Of couse you can not asume this.

Plowboy
04-02-2007, 01:55 PM
In KCBS Judge class this past weekend, though we were told "about the thickness of a #2 pencil", but there is no standard. It was said a thicker slice could hide the meat from being over cooked and a thinner slice could hide the meat from being under cooked.

That kinda sucks that judges are being told how to judge tenderness by appearance. The word "COULD" is key in that sentence. I see no reason to make that statement to judges at all. :evil: Tenderness should be judged by the mouth and not the eyes.

G$
04-02-2007, 02:19 PM
That kinda sucks that judges are being told how to judge tenderness by appearance. The word "COULD" is key in that sentence. I see no reason to make that statement to judges at all. :evil: Tenderness should be judged by the mouth and not the eyes.

I agree.

If they want to make that such a well published and repeated standard, just define the slice thickness and be done with it.

Not complaining, but I just think they can leave the guidelines of 'tender' as they have them now, and not mention thickness. To me, the best mouth feel of a slice IS about pencil thick, so if someone had a tender but thinner piece, I think I would intuitively prefer the tender but thicker cut anyeay.

Just $0.02.

cmcadams
04-02-2007, 02:25 PM
What if they turned in chopped chicken but its boneless? I have seen guys do that and do real well, just trying to avoid the judges figuring out that it wasnt boneless, skinless to begin with.

The problem with the entry I saw was that it looked bad... My first thought was dog food. It also was cold, fatty, and tasteless. I couldn't swallow it at all.